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This morning I listened to President Bush's UN speech. I agreed with it. He appealed to the basic goodness in people to reach out and help others while at the same time working assiduously to defeat terrorism. He mentioned many programs that are in play to accomplish this, such as the Monterrey concensus which seeks to eliminate protective tariffs and other trade barriers between nations, forgiving all debts to impoverished nations, encouraging the spread of freedom through developing republics (he called it democracy, but I knew what he meant), stomping out AIDS, improving the education of people worldwide, and so on.

One thing he neglected to mention, however, is the same omission that is plaguing America: the responsibility that must be commensurate with liberty.

Let us look briefly at the plague of liberty without responsibility.

The clearest example is found in the native black and Hispanic communities, particularly inner city areas, of America. The most profound example was revealed in Katrina-battered New Orleans.

Like the people of Haiti, the residents of America's Black and Hispanic communities typically have an IQ below 80, more than a full standard deviation lower than the 100 average IQ of Caucasians. They are born stupid. Their affliction is genetic.

When low-IQ teenage girls are impregnated by low-IQ males, they produce low-IQ children. What is so terrible about this?

1. The parents are themselves children, and they make notoriously irresponsible and bad parents.

2. Because the parents are stupid, they are relatively unable to learn, to make wise choices, or to solve problems, and so they never stop being bad parents.

3. The children will perpetuate the stupidity because they are stupid, and there is no cure for stupidity.

4. Both stupid parents and their stupid children cannot compete for the better jobs or mates, so they have a high likelihood of resorting to crime and welfare abuse to get by.

5. Worst of all, it is both immoral and unethical intentionally and knowingly to inflict stupidity on another person, particularly a helpless child.
Let's say you're a high school student with a part time job and have an IQ of 115, just over the 110 level necessary to get you through college. Imagine yourself walking down the street, minding your own business, when up walks a street thug with a hypodermic needle loaded with a DNA compound that will render you stupid for the rest of your life. He injects you with the serum and that immediately lowers your IQ 35 points.

From then on, you start exhibiting behavior problems. You fail at most of the things you try. You quit high school. You involve yourself with the wrong people. You lose your job and can't find a decent-paying replacement job. You get angry and stay that way, blaming the world around you, particularly the smart rich people, for all your problems. You decide you want to have all the luxuries of life you see on TV and in the movies. People won't give them to you because you can't deserve or earn them, so you sign up for welfare, start swapping your food stamps for whiskey, cigarettes, and drugs. You start mugging people on the side for some extra dough. You begin to sell dope. You impregnate or get impregated by another stupid, criminal-minded indigent. You get caught for your crimes and imprisoned. You get out and have your baby (or the other parent does). You live in a matriarchal household that no man could tolerate. The baby has no father at home.

Obviously that little injection of bad DNA did a lot of damage, but do you imagine it is illegal? It is if you do it with a hypodermic needle, but not if you are stupid. Then it is perfectly legal to do it with your penis or vagina: the serum is in the form of sperm or eggs.

We do not have political or social leaders who are forthright about the abominable, abhorrent, irresponsible liberty of stupid people to inflict innocent children with stupidity through such injections. The stupid are allowed to vote, so naturally politicians pander to them. The stupid are allowed to procreate without impediment or restriction, and, being stupid, they out-procreate the smart. By his lack of effective leadership and law enforcement, our President encourages the stupid to immigrate from Mexico and Central and South America to supply our farms and businesses with cheap labor.

It is not racial discrimination to point out that the most egregiously stupid and most troublesomely criminal people in America are identifiable by skin color - they are black or brown, and they are African or Ibero-American in genetic origin. There race is just a coincidence.

And the most profound example was revealed by Katrina. It effectively ripped the covers off the bed of the stupid people of New Orleans' welfare projects and inner city ghettos, and showed them to be a nest of parasites, indigents, welfare abusers, and criminals. More than 95% of them were black. More than a few took to the flooded streets to loot. More than a few jumped headlong into the crimes of robbing, mugging, murdering, sniping, and rampaging. Had the flood waters not impeded them, thousands more would have rioted and done their best to burn the city, just as happened in Watts back in the 60's. They are all angry because the nation did not promptly help them. They were all too stupid, hapless, feckless, clueless, and/or lazy to prepare for the inevitable destruction that has threatened New Orleans for decades.

Remember that New Orleans has been flooding regularly for centuries. It was flooded badly during hurricane Betsy, and damaged considerably by Camille. Destruction by hurricanes is nothing new. They knew it would happen. But they did nothing to prepare, being concerned only for their next welfare check, robbery, or drug deal, and barely scraping by on the low-paying jobs they could muster.

New Orleans is populated largely by stupid people. Even the cops are stupid, for they are required to be residents of the city in order to be members of the police. In general, only the stupid would live there, knowing the imminent danger that threatens them every year.
America's problem with its stupid residents is that they are accorded the same rights as everyone else, but our legal system has not mustered the courage to demand of them the same level of responsibility expected of the more intelligent people. In a sense, America's intelligensia has a responsibility to impose restrictions on the endemically stupid, just as it does on children. An intelligent child's main handicap is experience, and a properly educated child can quite often make much more sensible decisions than a stupid adult. In other words, experience does not help the stupid very much - since they are stupid, they will make mistakes, but fail to learn the right lessons, so they will keep making the same mistakes.

Maybe we need a dose of Earl Pitts in the white house. Somebody like Earl would snap a little common sense into the place. America simply cannot keep importing and breeding stupid people. The stupid cannot be educated sufficiently to enable them to become wise and worthy citizens. Stupid people cannot and will not evolve a superior civilization. As proven in the ex-European colonies of Africa, a stupid populace will destroy any superior civilization bestowed upon them. The upshot of this is that our government must curtail the immigration of the stupid and curtail the procreation prerogatives of the stupid.

The technology exists to sterilize fecund children till they are 21, the minimum age at which one can be expected to be a decent parent. Perhaps the age should be 25. According to insurance actuaries, anyone under that age is a high risk against good judgment and emotional stability.

The technology exists to sterilize all welfare recipients as a condition to their receiving a welfare check or food stamps - if they can't adequately care for themselves, then they cannot be expected to care for any children they procreate.

The technology exists permanently to sterilize the stupid, felons, the insane, and the habitual substance abuser. None of them should be allowed to procreate, for they will simple produce more of their kind.
The bottom line is that nobody with an IQ below 90 should be allowed to procreate a child or immigrate to America. We have the technology to implement a wise and benign eugenics program. We are derelicts for not using it.

America should not be a nation of dumbasses. We-the-people are dumbasses for allowing our legislature and president to continue ignoring their responsibility to protect us from an invasion of the stupid, either through procreation or immigration.

As illustrated in New Orleans, we are now reaping the harvest of our own widespread irresponsibility and laziness. Maybe we need a few more hurricanes to rip the bed covers off of our inner city ghettos so Americans can see how terrible is the genetic rot that infests our nation. People are impoverished because they are stupid. Our prisons, jails, and welfare roles are packed with stupid people. They are terrible burden on our society. The obvious conclusion we must eventually agree upon is that if they did not exist, they would not be a burden.

The stupid are free to procreate other stupid people. They do not excerise their responsibility to restrain themselves from breeding more stupid people. The financial and emotional burden on us will increase, and our liberties will continue to disappear to the extent that we allow the stupid to proliferate. Our president is right to show a tender heart and helping hand to those in need. He is wrong to ignore his responsibility to push for wise and benign eugenics programs that elevate the IQ of our gene pool.

I encourage the President, our legislators, and all Americans to make eugenics the number one thrust of the remainder of this millennium. Only three generations of rigorous and benign eugenics will be necessary to rid our nation of the bulk of its stupid people, without doing actual harm to anyone.

There needs to be a law prohibiting the injection of any unborn child with a serum that makes him stupid.

Our Congress and our president should require all recipients of American foreign aid to implement eugenics programs in their own nations so as gradually to eliminate the most defective and degenerate members of their gene pools, and to elevate the average IQ of their nations. Then all the education the president wants to encourage in our states and foreign nations will do some good and bear some fruit. To do otherwise is to cast pearls before swine, and to sow seeds among the rocks.

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Pathetic post, partner - perhaps appropriate in Abner, but certainly not here. I feel less than spiritually refreshed when a UB'er refers to any of my brothers and sisters as stupid. Let's elevate the tone here folks - we can do much. much better.


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That's quite a mouthful Bob. I take it you have an IQ higher than 100?


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Bobhurt,
Really my friend. I see nothing Jesonian in your statements. I do not believe that we are capable of making such broad generalizations. If you would care to discuss your points in Abner's, we might be able to talk more frankly.

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For those wishing to respond to the original post, or anyone who may feel offended or otherwise be uncomfortable with the material, please focus your replies on the message and not on the messenger. There's noting inappropriate about talking frankly in the open discussion so long as posting guidelines are followed and posting guidelines are the first post on the forum so it is always helpful to refer to them. To say we should take this topic to Abner's Corner so we can talk more frankly sounds like an "I'll meet you at the woodshed" invitation.

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I can't even finish reading this it's so stupid....

My good man, the people you are referring to have within them a piece of God. I understand and appreciate the importance of eugenics, but come on.
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Bobhurt,

I understand your frustration. Our country has a history which sets it up for Lots of Headache. I believe some of the best Jesusonian wisdom comes from Black Republicans. They understand racism - and hard work. They seems to have some answers.

Let's have:
Colin Powell for Pres.
Bill Cosby for Vice-Pres.
Oprah for Sec of State
Bill Gates - Sec of Treasury
AHnold - Sec of Defence (terminator)

America has Tons of frustrating problems. One of my personal secrets for peace is - to do as many UBers suggest -
SEE everything in God's Time, if possible.
SEE it all as a lonnnnng-term Evolution!!!


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To Bob Hurt,
Eugenics, while I agree with the basic idea of uplifting humanity we must also discover what stupidity is. By saying that some race is stupid because they do not conform with your idea of what stupidity is means nothing according to the big picture.
The country of Africa was the home of the black race for thousands of years and they lived successfully within its environs. They were not a stupid race at all. They were however a trusting, humble and spiritual people that the whites found it easy to exploit and enslave. The inherent laziness of the white race to work hard for a living resulted in them exploiting these people for their own greed and gratification. They built much of the wealth of America by using slave labour. This is stupidity of the highest degree and the UB was too late in offering the wisdom of a Neighboring Planet that is trying to uplift their races by educating some and returning them to their own countries as teachers.
When mechanisation took hold and the greed for slave labour decreased these people were consigned to the scrap heap. They were denied an education for fear they would overtake the whites and get control of the country. This fear was because the whites knew that this race, given the opportunity and the wages to afford an education would soon catch up with them.
You are not looking at the big picture my friend but the problem is a real one that has been spawned by a stupid white race who now lack the intelligence to solve it.
A race cannot be deemed stupid because they do not invent labour saving devices, especially when a race does not have a need to labour in order to live. The UB itself tells us that we need time to study spirituality, but white society were too busy using all their time to live in material wealth and comfort. A great disservice was done to the black race and now the whites must pay for the stupidity of their ancestors.
It will take intelligence to solve this and the means you describe would not be wise, a people without guns and knives can use the night and sticks and stones to overwhelm you. This is a tactic of intelligence against the odds.
If only we would provide a decent education system for free, (this is possible) then we would find the problem solving itself. IMO.


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Bobhurt, our first problem is being able even to discuss the problem. The reason for this, is our knee-jerk assumption that by suggesting we should restrict the reproduction of those with traits that serve neither them, nor society, we are attacking racially. Race has nothing directly to do whith this. Clearly, every race has made hugh contributions to science art and culture. So race, as you stated, is really not the issue. However, because of our politicians propensity to pander to the less fortunate, we end up hurting the very group we try to help. Politicians LOVE the stupid! They are easier to fool and to control.

So, how do we begin the discussion? Well, it is necessary first to completely seperate the driver, ie the evolving soul, from the vehicle. If you get "issued" a crummy vehicle, with faulty brakes, a fogged windsheild, and a weak motor, you, as a "driver" should be at the head of the line, demanding changes be made in the system to insure no one else has to suffer. Unfortunately, those most afflicted, are the least able to recognise the root of the problem, while those in charge, find it to their own selfish benefit to prey on them.

The really ugly part, is that politicians have managed to make it unacceptable even to consider genetic help for the poor, who are after all, their base of power into the future. :shock:

I love all my brothers and sisters. And, I therefore have a responsibility to them to attempt to awaken those who have been duped into holding the less capable into a lower "cast" for the benefit of the powerful. We who are not "stupid", are capable of recognising when we are being used. Let us apply that intelligence, and ultimately rescue future generations who will otherwise be born with little hope for a decent life.

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Very nicely put Bro Dave. Before one judges an individual, try to imagine yourself in their postion. I was lucky enough to be born into a fairly stable situation.....and it was LUCK. Much of this life is chance.

Being born to "stupid" parents doesn't necessarily mean that the child is genetically inferior. That child could have very well been able to express their intelligence if born into a different environment.

Solving our social woes is a problem I do not have the answers to, but I have to believe that loving your brothers and sisters is the first step.

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I can't believe this is actually a thread on here.


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Why not Angel? If we, who understand the failings brought about by the Lucifer Rebellion, and the genetic damage done, cannot face up to the need for repairing that damage, who can or will? And when? How many more generations must be left to suffer before society is forced to remove their blinders? There is nothing unbrotherly about wanting better for future generations, so long as we don't take it out on the present one. No one is suggesting gas chambers,(even though that was/is done on a neighboring planet...) True love is willing to walk the rocky path for the betterment of the ones we claim as siblings. Are we not cowards if we simply ignore our personal discomfort of addressing this insidious problem? :?: :?: :?:

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My "genetics" as you call them make me fall into that category, or one of many. BIG family, lots of problems etc..etc... But choice brought me out of it. I was born to 2 losers, who didn't have a degree between them, both heroine addicts, and child abusers, yet you would have me gone?

The stupidity you speak of means not judging a man's brains but his heart and the choice he will make. That is God's area, not yours.
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By the way, i happen to have a high IQ, and my biological brother has the IQ of a genius. :wink:


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I understand Angel, and of course "you" could not be lost, because you are not your vehicle. Souls get started in all kinds of strange vehicles, and the one you're driving sounds like it could use a tune-up! :wink: The point is, why play Russian roulette and hope the kids get an unlikely break? God has need of the "you" that you are, and would have found another vehicle had your parents not provided this one.

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