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Why, do you suppose, it is important to bear in mind Adam and Eve's previous experiences?


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Their default was a terrible thing! I think the revelators wanted us to know how dedicated they were in their service, that they were exceptionally qualified to be the upgraders for our planet. There was great sympathy for the calamitous end to their mission.


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Their default was a terrible thing! I think the revelators wanted us to know how dedicated they were in their service, that they were exceptionally qualified to be the upgraders for our planet. There was great sympathy for the calamitous end to their mission.


Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Gizmo. And maybe Solonia wanted us to know they weren't qualified to fight a rebellion, battle (humanly) invisible foes, or lead an army to protect Garden one. To me she is saying, among other things, they were long-trained biologists and teachers, not warriors or conquerors.



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The experiencial qualifications are self evident as to why Adam & Eve were selected to enter the Planetary Custody of Urantia! What I want to know is why the Material Son & Daughter like to 'petition' for each new child born from the Material Daughter. How does that relate to creature destiny, and why do the Authors believe that Material Sons and Daughters who finally attain Paradise, do so successfully at such a high percentage compared with plain evolutionary Beings?

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And despite the default, and all that ensued from the rebellion, our Father ensures that justice, fairness and goodness will prevail! The Material Son and Daughter have new rolls to play. They erred through the devious tricks of Lucifer, not because their good intentions and purpose wavered. And we, the Urantia children, offspring of Adam and Eve, are the Agondonters!


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What I want to know is why the Material Son & Daughter like to 'petition' for each new child born from the Material Daughter. How does that relate to creature destiny, and why do the Authors believe that Material Sons and Daughters who finally attain Paradise, do so successfully at such a high percentage compared with plain evolutionary Beings?


What "petition" SELa? Is there a quote you are referring to?

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And despite the default, and all that ensued from the rebellion, our Father ensures that justice, fairness and goodness will prevail! The Material Son and Daughter have new rolls to play. They erred through the devious tricks of Lucifer, not because their good intentions and purpose wavered. And we, the Urantia children, offspring of Adam and Eve, are the Agondonters!


Well said Gizmo, but it's spelled Agonydonters (the authors forgot the y) :biggrin:

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Well said Gizmo, but it's spelled Agonydonters (the authors forgot the y)


I just realized, Rick, that the etymology of agondonter must be from the greek word agon, which means battle, struggle, contest; agony is a derivative of that word. In greek, we also use the word 'agon' when we are referring to our spiritual, intellectual and physical efforts to come closer to God, the daily struggle and confrontation with our weaknesses, animal tendencies and so on...

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73 agṓn(a masculine noun, and the root of the English words, "agony," "agonize") – properly, a contest (struggle), a grueling conflict (fight); (figuratively) positive struggle that goes with "fighting the good fight of faith" (1 Tim 6:12) – which literally states, "Struggle (75 /agōnízomai) the good struggle (73 /agṓn) of the (life of) faith."


2. a contest, of athletes, runners, charioteers. In a figurative sense, a. in the phrase (used by the Greeks, see τρέχω, b.) τρέχειν τόν ἀγῶνα, Hebrews 12:1, that is to say 'Amid all hindrances let us exert ourselves to the utmost to attain to the goal of perfection set before the followers of Christ'; any struggle with dangers, annoyances, obstacles, standing in the way of faith, holiness, and a desire to spread the gospel: 1 Thessalonians 2:2; Philippians 1:30; 1 Timothy 6:12; 2 Timothy 4:7.


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Why, do you suppose, it is important to bear in mind Adam and Eve's previous experiences?


Despite their accomplishments, millennia-old training, kind-hearted motives and attitude, sadly they weren't able to withstand the sophistries of Caligastia. I think the Urantia book name their being influenced by Caligastia and the resulting impatience that grew in them which was also because of the terrible state the planet was at as a disheartening miscarriage of wisdom.

75:8.6 (846.5) All in all, there probably never was a more disheartening miscarriage of wisdom on any planet in all Nebadon. But it is not surprising that these missteps occur in the affairs of the evolutionary universes. We are a part of a gigantic creation, and it is not strange that everything does not work in perfection; our universe was not created in perfection. Perfection is our eternal goal, not our origin.

They were faced with an almost impossible task that probably no amount of training could have ever prepared them for, except for actual experiential wisdom, probably the kind of wisdom agondonters acquire, being isolated and relying only on their faith.

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Well said Gizmo, but it's spelled Agonydonters (the authors forgot the y)


Thanks, but the "right way" looks off to me. I'm going to petition the revelator's for a new spelling! :smile:


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Well said Gizmo, but it's spelled Agonydonters (the authors forgot the y)


Thanks, but the "right way" looks off to me. I'm going to petition the revelator's for a new spelling! :smile:


Got my vote, Giz.

Seriously tho, agony or not, I've been thinking a lot about what an interesting, fascinating, remarkable planet this is. The angels on 'normal planets' must be bored dumb with the predictability of the well charted evolutionary unfolding.

Urantia's got it all, an admin rebellion precipitating two defaults, no visible divinity for ten of thousands of years, and Urantia held the ten-million-in-one lottery ticket when we drew Michael's seventh. And to make it sweeter we stumbled onto a revelation that puts all the apparent madness in cosmic perspective, telling us we got a role, and love is it.

On Mansonia, everyone'll say, 'Lucky soul you, born and adjustered on Urantia.' Everybody in Nebadon must be watching and recording all that's happening here on our bizarre-historied, experimental, double default, violet-infused, five epoch, Michael bestowed, agondonter nursery, now rising on the wake of a new revelation.

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82:1.9 since man is so largely a self-controlled being, sex desire is not altogether periodic; therefore does it become necessary for society to impose self-control upon the individual.

83:6.6 that acme of all human virtues, rugged self-control.

149:6.11 You do well to be meek before God and self-controlled before men, but let your meekness be of spiritual origin and not the self-deceptive display of a self-conscious sense of self-righteous superiority. The prophet spoke advisedly when he said, ‘Walk humbly with God,' for, while the Father in heaven is the Infinite and the Eternal, he also dwells ‘with him who is of a contrite mind and a humble spirit.' My Father disdains pride, loathes hypocrisy, and abhors iniquity. And it was to emphasize the value of sincerity and perfect trust in the loving support and faithful guidance of the heavenly Father that I have so often referred to the little child as illustrative of the attitude of mind and the response of spirit which are so essential to the entrance of mortal man into the spirit realities of the kingdom of heaven.

89:9.3 even revelation must submit to the graduated control of evolution.

91:4.3 Prayer is somewhat more ethical when it deals with forgiveness and seeks wisdom for enhanced self-control.

91:6.3 never forget that the sincere prayer of faith is a mighty force for the promotion of personal happiness, individual self-control, social harmony, moral progress, and spiritual attainment.





51:3.3 The chief business of such an imported pair is to multiply and to uplift the children of time.
Maybe if you believe that the Adamites are hypocrits, then the Material Sons would not practice intelligent increase of their own kind...

51:6.1 On most of the inhabited worlds the Gardens of Eden remain as superb cultural centers and continue to function as the social patterns of planetary conduct and usage age after age. Even in early times when the violet peoples are relatively segregated, their schools receive suitable candidates from among the world races, while the industrial developments of the garden open up new channels of commercial intercourse. Thus do the Adams and Eves and their progeny contribute to the sudden expansion of culture and to the rapid improvement of the evolutionary races of their worlds. And all of these relationships are augmented and sealed by the amalgamation of the evolutionary races and the sons of Adam, resulting in the immediate upstepping of biologic status, the quickening of intellectual potential, and the enhancement of spiritual receptivity.
In this excerpt, evolutionary man is seen as a "candidate" to intermarry one of the violet people. Candidate is a word used to signify that such an evolutionary mortal has made "a petition" of sincere intent. And also, I presume that none of the violet people would marry an evolutionary mortal, who has not made such a petition.

52:3.4 This age usually witnesses the completion of the elimination of the unfit and the still further purification of the racial strains; on normal worlds the defective bestial tendencies are very nearly eliminated from the reproducing stocks of the realm.

54:6.5 Each member of a family profits by the righteous conduct of every other member; likewise must each member suffer the immediate time-consequences of the misconduct of every other member. Families, groups, nations, races, worlds, systems, constellations, and universes are relationships of association which possess individuality; and therefore does every member of any such group, large or small, reap the benefits and suffer the consequences of the rightdoing and the wrongdoing of all other members of the group concerned.

73:7.3 The Melchizedeks counseled Adam not to initiate the program of racial uplift and blending until his own family had numbered one-half million.

74:1.1 The Planetary Adam and Eve of Urantia were members of the senior corps of Material Sons on Jerusem, being jointly number 14,311 (28621 & 28622). They belonged to the third physical series and were a little more than eight feet in height.

74:1.5 This Jerusem pair left behind them on the capital of Satania and elsewhere, one hundred offspring - fifty sons and fifty daughters - magnificent creatures who had escaped the pitfalls of progression, and who were all in commission as faithful stewards of universe trust at the time of their parents' departure for Urantia.

The increase of animal populations is different from the increase of human or Material Sons populations. Here, "self-control" is being described as "the acme" of all human traits. You will have to consider #1 how Michael with the Eternal Mother co-created 1 Pair of the Material Sons for each Nebadon System. For humans even during Roman times of civilization, this trait or policy is self-evident if the purpose of the First & Second Census of A.D. 8-7 was to number the total of will creatures on Urantia within that jurisdiction.

To number one's people is a Sign, if not on Jerusem then on Urantia, that the members of a family or a household are mature enough or self-disciplined enough to have a place in society if not the Eternal Centeral Universe of Universes.

Indeed, it may be provided somewhat in the auspices of human reason, that the default, or violation of the Melchizedek Planetary Trust for Adam-Eve 14311, was the breaking of this tradition of planned increase (planned-increase, i.e. "multiplication"). Perhaps this paved for a new or better Tradition?

24:2.7 The Census Directors are concerned with human beings - as with other will creatures - only to the extent of recording the fact of will function. They are not concerned with the records of your life and its doings; they are not in any sense recording personalities. The Census Director of Nebadon, number 81,412 of Orvonton, now stationed on Salvington, is at this very moment personally conscious and aware of your living presence here on Urantia; and he will afford the records confirmation of your death the moment you cease to function as a will creature.
Why do you think that Census is kept for Nebadon? Because will creatures are those with potentially eternal life, and therefore each addition into that family becomes significant.

To know of "the fact of your existence" is important: because every will creature should be considered a candidate for eternal life. You, as a will creature, are "one more" to enter Paradise, hopefully.

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75:8.6 (846.5) All in all, there probably never was a more disheartening miscarriage of wisdom on any planet in all Nebadon. But it is not surprising that these missteps occur in the affairs of the evolutionary universes. We are a part of a gigantic creation, and it is not strange that everything does not work in perfection; our universe was not created in perfection. Perfection is our eternal goal, not our origin.

The miscarriage of wisdom - that is Solonia's perspective of the Adamic Default.

"Double Default", I feel this has been given, an inaccurate description, as in the events of Urantia's History, an act of treason on the part of Daligastia and Caligastia does not constitute any form of "default". There is a singular event, described as this "miscarriage of wisdom", that does not refer to the rebellion at all.

"The First Shall Be Last And The Last Shall Be First", applies to those who have realised what it means to do the will of God. There seems to be an interesting set of contingencies, placed upon the Planetary Adams (Adam & Eve the Material Sons of Jerusem). Adam and Eve are "gaining all of the requisite experience necessary to have received the bestowal of a Father-Fragment of God." But if they ever do receive such a blessing, it would have occurred longafter in the annals of Nebadon, longerafter even than our own world's Planetary Prince- a title given to both Adam and Eve of Urantia. A title that was given back to the 12 Melchizedek Planetary Receivers. Even so, from where Moses & Adam sit, perhaps universe ages must pass until they, themselves, may be able to enter or to have entered Paradise.

There is a special kind of relationship that Adam & Eve, the Material Sons of Jerusem, have/has with two individual spirits: Adam of Urantia and Eve of Urantia. For instance, Adam & Eve of Jerusem are the rulers of the material affairs on Jerusem, but the entire purpose of Jerusem, or one of the primary purposes of Jerusem & its surrounding spheres of living energy systems, is to ensure that morontial reality. Adam & Eve of Jerusem have a special relationship to the 50 monogamous pairs, their grandchildren. And Adam & Eve of Jerusem are the "visible heads" of the morontia worlds. Therefore, our own spirithood is precedented on (the actual parents of Adam and Eve of Urantia), their gift of allowing us to observe the order and wisdom of their family's culture.

In that way, none of the children of the Planetary Adams of Jerusem enter into tumult, there is not the same moral challenges when the matter of your own personal existences as a life form is actually rendered forth from the existential patterns of the central universe. They are like those who "remained safe within the sheepfold", but actually on a higher metaphysical level of reason. Adam of Urantia, has an intransferrable role now: basically to advise existing morontial Beings, whose origin is of the Urantian ilk, how maybe one might apply all of the experiences and motives you gained throughout your life as an eternal personality pattern.

So that relationship, for them Adam of Urantia and Eve of Urantia, must be something like, hello are you willing to observe how my parents life on Jerusem with the children that we bore and now live there? If you could be willing to observe how we live on Jerusem, would you be willing to observe, peacefully? Are you aware of your place, as an observer? And would you realise that the purpose of allowing such an observance, would be to allow God to "save your soul", by giving you a chance to remember the original purpose of life within the form that you now know- a flesh & blood Urantian.

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