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Hello! Been a while since posting, but since I gleaned so much last time thought I'd put this to the forum.

I have a question about what really makes a person believe what they do? I guess this could be summed up in agnosticism. In this world right now people (intellectuals/deep thinkers) are finding faith more and more repulsive. They see this as a natural process of getting rid of ignorance and superstition. Furthermore, I'd describe the spirit in the air of being one of "waking up" to reality (or at least that's the intention). On the one hand since religion has lost its force, people are seeking something mystical. On an intellectual level they reject anything absolute (religious texts) but on a spiritual level they have this interest in what cannot be seen, albeit they must have some intelligent reason for it other than the traditional religious delusions. So society are in a state of limbo - one foot in the spiritual field, and the other in the mechanistic state of questioning everything. There's a fear of commitment to any set of beliefs.

What's inspired this post is my friend who's going through a crisis of faith, so I can see the process in pretty good detail (him always playing devils advocate). He's a real truth seeker, there's no doubt about that, but in the process has dropped everything he previously believed (once bitten twice shy). His former beliefs were in an environment (cult) where everything seemed so real - there was no question of the divine hierarchy/priesthood etc. He felt safe and now that's gone he craves that feeling of security and conviction but cannot allow his mind to accept any form of structured belief. His current beliefs are kind of wishy washy and they provide no real comfort (e.g. he vaguely believes we're in a kind of simulation; our bodies are like avatars...but even that's not concrete). Now that he's aware of the mischievous nature of the mind, he struggles to see the mechanism by which I believe. He sees holes in everything, always seeing a rational explanation. He simply will not accept any fluffy or mysterious reasoning for belief (or should I say faith?). That's not to say he has no desire to, he does, very much so to the point where he wishes he had what I do.

To give an example of the train of thought; he claims that although as finite beings we cannot reach the divine levels of reality, we should be able to at least have a firm (material/scientific) standing on the ground when it comes to having faith. He cannot see faith as a leap, which as he says would beg the question....WHY believe in something like midwayers and not something else unprovable? Why does the urantia book strengthen your faith? At which point does the rubber meet the road and it becomes a logical deduction? Why the Urantia book and not the Book of Enoch? "If faith means some level of simple trust, surely this leaves your mind open to follow something unreal?" I've tried explaining the nature of faith, that it's not built by deductive reasoning per se (i.e. not purely intellectual), but that just doesn't wash. He wants to know why people would believe in an afterlife, invisible beings etc as it it's absolutely true? "How can anyone be sure?"

Hopefully you get the gist! I appreciate any outside feedback as it's exhausting for me going down this rabbit hole and I need to unwind every now and then :) To be honest, I generally see this case as out of anyone's control (it's a personal journey for him to process), but nevertheless, it's still nice to see some input or even personal experiences. I'm especially interested due to the fact I've seen certain lecturers (e.g. Jordan Peterson) inspire faith in formerly "stubborn people" and it's made them look at religion in a brighter light, even to the point of returning to church. It's fascinating to see the methodology that demands the skeptic listener's respect (such as how Peterson studies psychology, religious history, and "rebrands" biblical stories as relevant and current today by means of hidden metaphors, as opposed to a literalistic interpretation). Therefore, I'm not 100% convinced there's nothing that can be done.


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When you write "the spirit in the air", I believe you are talking about a cultural impression, a realm of public opinion from society rather than any actual spirit or actual insight of man. Therefore one does not wake up to reality but rather to an awareness of the current status of the planet.

You state "human trust allows the human mind to follow something unreal"? No. Because why would man follow a thing and not a person, since man is himself on the level of mind able to be identified as a person, a who rather than a what, therefore the level of identification in which mind making that choice within the perspective of human individual, would have to follow the who (universal father) rather than the what (universal absolute). And now that you see "the masquerade of technology", really a conglomeration of pornography, logic, and the power of society in relationship to the status of the human individual, "whats" pretending to be "who's", or the illusion of selfhood within corporate constitutions, as corporations are represented to potential clients. Thus, children's minds are inflicted with similar conditions, as Abraham at UR, where before one could even begin the philosophical journey (of a personal experiencial religion), he has seen the many stages where other cultures had privately raised their idols for the rearing of self-shareholder gain, and while seeking an original view of the universe becomes confronted with the past logic of our society, which in the postmodern western civilization is a lot to contend with.

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Greetings BrotherP!!

What a rational articulation and heartfelt plea for understanding on behalf of your friend whose doubts, disappointments, frustrations, and confusions are all so common.

For thinkers and truthseekers he seeks for the holy grail so to speak. Absolute confirmation and affirmation. Best wishes to all in such a quest. The Papers say that defeat is the mirror which reflects our true self.

We are also told that mind is inherently curious and seeks understanding of reality. It will, and must, invent 'facts' or reality constructs for every aspect of reality for which we do not have proven knowledge. So, your friend is rather stuck, as are we all. We must and we will believe something, some rational or mystical explanation or another...some of that will be real and true...perhaps...and some pure fantasy and fiction.

A little Zen this morning: "Things are not as they appear. And neither are they different!"

Rejection of cultism certainly destablizes the mind for a season. The dice must be reshaken for another roll! Discombobulating. Dependence on others for a belief system is always tenuous for true thinkers and seekers. Truth, faith, and the relationship with the inner other is too personal and individualized for social homogenization I think. Many have survived and progressed by such experience. Nonetheless...it is likely your friend experienced truth realizations and spiritual growth.

The UB teaches that faith and spiritual growth does not depend upon the accuracy of our beliefs or our knowledge of reality. Progress comes despite false beliefs and false reality constructs. At least in this life. Universe reality will be known and taught on the Mansion Worlds as it once was here and as it is on most evolutionary worlds. We are a world of faith. And faith is rewarded....even when some beliefs crash on the rocky shores of experience and truth realization!! Discovering what is false can lead us closer to that which is true I think! If we do not allow disappointment to overwhelm us.

Personally, I cannot fathom the denial of the reality of our dual natures. Love and spirit are real. The fruits of the Spirit - happiness, contentment, inner peace, goodness, beauty, truth, sacrifice, loyalty, duty - all of these are real. They cannot exist in a purely material and mechanistic world of impersonal and accidental origin.

Reasonably and rationally, a godless reality and life are a ridiculous hoax and fraud...far more so than a purposeful creation of adventure, discovery, truth, beauty, and goodness.

I always return to Paper 100 when confusion and doubt visit me. But that's just me....

100:1.7 (1095.2) Religion cannot be bestowed, received, loaned, learned, or lost. It is a personal experience which grows proportionally to the growing quest for final values. Cosmic growth thus attends on the accumulation of meanings and the ever-expanding elevation of values. But nobility itself is always an unconscious growth.

100:1.8 (1095.3) Religious habits of thinking and acting are contributory to the economy of spiritual growth. One can develop religious predispositions toward favorable reaction to spiritual stimuli, a sort of conditioned spiritual reflex. Habits which favor religious growth embrace cultivated sensitivity to divine values, recognition of religious living in others, reflective meditation on cosmic meanings, worshipful problem solving, sharing one’s spiritual life with one’s fellows, avoidance of selfishness, refusal to presume on divine mercy, living as in the presence of God. The factors of religious growth may be intentional, but the growth itself is unvaryingly unconscious.

100:1.9 (1095.4) The unconscious nature of religious growth does not, however, signify that it is an activity functioning in the supposed subconscious realms of human intellect; rather does it signify creative activities in the superconscious levels of mortal mind. The experience of the realization of the reality of unconscious religious growth is the one positive proof of the functional existence of the superconsciousness.

Me here: But spiritual reality is a real chicken and egg paradox. We must have faith to receive faith assurance and must believe truth to realize truth assurance. I pray your friend regains his equilibrium and reconnects to truth and God. True purpose and happiness depends upon it I think.

Thanks for being here.

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Thanks for the feedback!

It's so hard to articulate why I believe without it sounding mysteriously childish or a gullible desire to fulfill an emotional need (which scientists would reduce down to materialism). When reading the UB it provided the kind of detail that gives you a greater appreciation – like reading the biography of a great person, except in this case it made me appreciate humanity and God. I didn’t read it and believe straight away, it was more a process (like musical notes all coming together), until I reached a point where it just made sense – it resounded within. I had to read it like a fable to begin with, and there was definite scepticism. However, the subjects were so intriguing and that’s what kept me reading, and before I knew it, it dawned on me that I actually believed it! Especially moving were the Jesus papers and the history of mankind. I read it every day for 8 weeks straight, some days until the early hours of the morning. I remember this point exactly (of believing), and the emotions that followed. It was at work while on a break (which I’d spent reading the UB). Beforehand, I was reading almost out of curious investigation, and a humorous tone to it (e.g. “what on earth is this rubbish?! It’s a pile of crap but really interesting nevertheless….and why does it does it go into excruciating detail if it's just a story?”). The realisation that what I stumbled across was truth (to me) was like a light bulb going off in my mind, and a sudden relaxation/peace/calm came over me mixed with elation as if finding a treasure (my mind allowed it to “be” and let the cautious wall down that I’d been supporting). It’s like I’d found something I didn’t realise I was searching for. The excitement and joy was indescribable, like nothing could really phase me. This in the face of already heavily ingrained fundamental Christian teaching (i.e. a Jehovah's Witness).

If I could bottle up that state of consciousness and give it out I would! However, my efforts at "preaching the UB" (as is) fell on deaf ears, people either are scared or they think you're nice but deluded. So I resigned myself to dissemination instead - adapt/uplift what people already believe. I quickly realised that you can reach a far wider audience simply by reflecting the values contained within, I realised that we shouldn't become "knowledge preachers", but rather relatable and down to earth people with a spark of the divine motivating us. We should strive to be ourselves and not self aggrandise to the level of preacher/teacher (not that teaching is bad, but more to the point, being cognizant of our place and the changeable/limited nature of thoughts). Everything expressed must come from this fruits of the spirit, and that source be revealed rather than obsessing over what we "know".

So over the years I've taken that approach with my good friend (both of us grew up in the same cult), never going into too much detail of the mechanics of my beliefs. This has lead to the conundrum of him seeking the root of my faith, to know the mechanics so he can take a similar approach (or at the very least simply be more aware out of curiosity what makes people like me tick). I must admit, I do use the UB as a crutch quite a bit, and without that I can see why someone like him would feel lost. I cannot deny that the intellect plays a very large role in my faith, and he says the same thing about his unwillingness to believe - that his mind needs to be fully convinced! It's like being stuck between a rock and hard place because although real truth goes deeper than surface mindal perception/framework, the latter "solid ground" is still necessary....but can also be scrutinised to death and rationalised away!

To make matters worse :lol:

Partial, incomplete, and evolving intellects would be helpless in the master universe, would be unable to form the first rational thought pattern, were it not for the innate ability of all mind, high or low, to form a universe frame in which to think. If mind cannot fathom conclusions, if it cannot penetrate to true origins, then will such mind unfailingly postulate conclusions and invent origins that it may have a means of logical thought within the frame of these mind-created postulates. And while such universe frames for creature thought are indispensable to rational intellectual operations, they are, without exception, erroneous to a greater or lesser degree. (UB 115:1.1)

This almost seems self sabotaging to make this comment in a book about reality. It's an extremely frustrating stance to take with someone who wants something tangible. You could get around this by saying that the UB provides a better framework to uplift current thinking about the cosmos/afterlife etc, but still, my friend would say something along the lines of "either midwayers exist or they don't", or "either we wake up in the resurrection halls or we don't". Why believe that over Thor? "Well Thor is just a Greek myth....ah...I see where you're going with this lol". There's no get out clause of our limited perception here, the UB takes an almost fundamental approach in many places (no grey areas like the book of Genesis which can be taken metaphorically). It still begs the question of "why believe that and not some other story"? I cannot honestly say anything other than it being a matter of faith; that I have been so moved by the majority of the UB that I take it on faith that the other parts (which blend together wonderfully to create a grand purpose) are also true.

It may feel insulting to have our beliefs compared to others that we see as "primitive", but ultimately can we really always be pointing the finger at others and smugly claiming their's are carnal, based on fear, food symbolism blah blah (in other words, dissecting them down to some basic human motive with a touch of truth) while forgetting our own beliefs come under the same scrutiny? It's the whole glass house concept. As much as we may be respectful, if we endeavor to elevate our form of religion by comparing it to traditional ones we still run the risk of reducing existence into a mechanistic nature (shoot our own foot). It always leads back to a bottom line of how it makes you feel. You can say you glean far greater value from the UB which makes you a better person. That would then lead onto the question of "why believe all those little details which could be myths...why not just skip straight to the values?".


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Hi BrotherP,

That sounds like an important place for a person to be. Spontaneous it sounds as if your friend has placed too much confidence and trust in people throughout his life without letting his own intellect and soul get down to the real work of sorting things out.

I definitely disagree with the statement "In this world right now people (intellectuals/deep thinkers) are finding faith more and more repulsive". No it's not "intellectuals or deep thinkers" who are the ones finding faith more and more repulsive. It is rather those of limited vision, imagination, perception and determination who do that. Whether a person encounters more and more of such types in the world at this moment probably very much depends on where you live and work and how broad your social and professional circles are.

Pretty much wherever I look I see the opposite. The intellectuals, deep thinkers and creative people I meet and talk with are often very inquisitive and open to new realms of thinking, experiencing and developing.

Remember that faith is not belief, nor is it suspension of belief. It is connection to reality where such a connection is not obvious before faith realizes it. If a person believes something that is not true or real, they do not have faith but rather false belief. It is the great challenge of our lives to experience and live accordingly.

Why not a few questions to stimulate the spirit of curiosity?

Why was there such an enormous stack of coincidences that were necessary to create the situation we are in: having free will, intelligence, power, energy and so forth when these things, the electrons, atoms, molecules, radiation, heat, gravity (to name a few) do not themselves organize in ways that create this fantastic evolution of life and growth?

If there is no mind beyond what each of our brains manifests, why do we communicate so effectively? even with animals? why do not only we love but animals love too?


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Partial, incomplete, and evolving intellects would be helpless in the master universe, would be unable to form the first rational thought pattern, were it not for the innate ability of all mind, high or low, to form a universe frame in which to think. If mind cannot fathom conclusions, if it cannot penetrate to true origins, then will such mind unfailingly postulate conclusions and invent origins that it may have a means of logical thought within the frame of these mind-created postulates. And while such universe frames for creature thought are indispensable to rational intellectual operations, they are, without exception, erroneous to a greater or lesser degree.[115:1.1]


But within my experiences, I know what was done properly, and what I have failed to do. And I judge the hereafter personally, as the modus of how I might only build off of the real work that I have done. The remission of failures, in my own personality, provides a continuuity of experiencial maturation. I do not need to be reminded by the Adjuster personally "that I have committed errors", but I would definetly like to understand, and to realise, how much I have differed, in my own labours, from the quality of Jesus' own total work?

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True, saying intellectuals are repulsed by faith (or religion) is inaccurate - they find it (in its current form) too simplistic and lacking substance.

One problem my friend faces is having that dire need for spiritual expression (platform of belief and social framework) but finding a lack of support. Especially do people like to box them in and impose false motives, e.g. "If you don't believe ABC you must be lacking something or not trying hard enough etc". Rather than seeing that their minds are simply wired in a different way (you could say like "doubting Thomas" needing more proof) they tend to get an unfair heretic label when they're desperately striving for something to believe in - even to the point of wanting a mind/consciousness altering Ayahuasca experience. Just something to live/experience and know beyond a doubt there's something higher and external to themself.

Going down the morality/altruism route (transcending love) is something I've pondered going over with him, but already know this argument could be rationalised away (love = the brains adaptation to culture, biological benefits to the tribe etc). Although rationalising away human consciousness, I'd like to see that!


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BrotherP wrote:
One problem my friend faces is having that dire need for spiritual expression (platform of belief and social framework) but finding a lack of support. Especially do people like to box them in and impose false motives, e.g. "If you don't believe ABC you must be lacking something or not trying hard enough etc".


That was my primary problem (as a teenager too). Friends and acquaintances could be fun to be with but just didn't show an appreciation for spiritual expression or experiences. So outwardly life seemed so barren and I could feel so alone. That was when I dug in and garnered faith that someone in the world does know so much more and that led me to search almost frantically through the libraries until I found a donated UB. I soon no longer felt alone and disenfranchised.

Maybe a person could search for like-minded people in musical circles or science fiction enthusiasts? (TUB interpreted as SciFi would make one massive and superb masterwork)!


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With Brother P's original post, from this thread, he presents himself along with a friend whom he identifies as a scientist. And he observes that there is an intellectual meeting ground between he and his friend.

Well, long ago in this forum, Bradly (faonofVan) asked us, "What does it mean: to be 'wise as serpents yet as harmless as doves'.?" It means that human judgment, in the auspices of reason, actually holds a duality for the role of man's judgment: both as a military strategist (serpent) and as a devout religionist (dove). The Urantia Book Forum has an advisory role, in the essential "peace-relationships" of the military, in teaching to military advisors how peace relationships, as a separate wing of the military, could have actually accomplished greater victories betweenst nations. However, Jesus was also wise enough to know the power of faith that the disciplined Centurion possessed:
"... But I know that you can speak the word where you stand and my servant will be healed. For I am myself under the orders of others, and I have soldiers under me, and I say to this one go, and he goes; to another come, and he comes, and to my servants do this or do that, and they do it."[147:1.2]

The judgment of the religionist meets with the judgment of the commandant. This is where you "see all possibilities" yet choose nevertheless the wisest recourse, in the salvation of your people. Is it better to do only what is religious, or is it sometimes necessary to take effective means to secure the remnant of your own tribe? By knowing what is possible, and having forebearance in { refraining from taunts, abrogating the goodness of others, holding ones tongue from the utterance of evils, waiting patiently on the will of god and finding usefulness in one's present-occupation, helping others }, God delivers our minds from the fear of our potential capacity to act in a manner that would be personally judged as evil.

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To give an example of the train of thought; he claims that although as finite beings we cannot reach the divine levels of reality, we should be able to at least have a firm (material/scientific) standing on the ground when it comes to having faith. He cannot see faith as a leap, which as he says would beg the question....WHY believe in something like midwayers and not something else unprovable?


The problem with that logic is its unfortunate culmination. If one must make a leap, then one could be leaping into nothingness. That's why faith isn't really a leap, that's just an old axiom. Faith is defined as a relationship with Deity.

(1091:6)  99:5.7 Let the term "faith" stand for the individual's relation to God rather than for the creedal formulation of what some group of mortals have been able to agree upon as a common religious attitude.

If a person cannot accept the personality of God, then a person cannot have a relationship with God and therefore cannot have faith. Many people prefer to have a relationship with a mathematical formula, an idea, a thing. It's not possible. No wonder it engenders loneliness. Facts are not good companions unless you're a machine.

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"If faith means some level of simple trust, surely this leaves your mind open to follow something unreal?"


Yes, faith and trust do go together but trust is a human task while faith is a gift. Either you accept the gift or you don't. If you do accept it, then you're accepting a person-to-person relationship with God the Father, or the Spirit of Truth, since once you've seen the Son, you've seen the Father. Everyone knows of Jesus and I doubt there are many people who do not love him in some way. The best cure for lack of trust is to love Jesus. Divine things must be loved in order to be known and trusted. Falling in love with Jesus provides the gift of faith, because it results in a relationship. I would begin there. If your friend hates Jesus or is suspicious of him, then he's in big trouble and I have no advice for that level of psychological despair. Just let him know that they don't call him the Comforter for nothing.


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If a person cannot accept the personality of God, then a person cannot have a relationship with God and therefore cannot have faith. Many people prefer to have a relationship with a mathematical formula, an idea, a thing. It's not possible. No wonder it engenders loneliness. Facts are not good companions unless you're a machine.


Good reminder. I often get carried away with the minutiae of a mechanical nature and forget what inspired that shift within me in the first place (i.e. reading the Jesus papers). So hard knowing what to do when someone is caught up in a "sign seeking" mindset. It's also hard to put myself in his shoes because I already had a moderate faith when I came across the UB, but for him he's questioning everything, even the validity/story of the historical Jesus.

That may sound more shocking to certain parts of America, but here in the UK the religious are a dying breed (from where I'm standing) and the bible mostly isn't seen as any kind of authority.


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Related topic and discussion from 5 years ago: "Once saved, always saved?"

Topic includes likely faith connection regardless of beliefs or consciousness.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4742&start=0

And another great and related topical discussion on the same matter. What Gives Salvation? - Faith/Actions/Belief?.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4592

All started by BrotherP.


Faith and religious experience include far more than most people know. Doubts and disbelief dooms no one I do not think. Got a soul??? BINGO!!!

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Fanofvan - Haha, you found an old topic of mine. Has it really been 5 years? Wow.

You may remember another related topic to that one I made called "What gives salvation? Faith/Actions/Beliefs?":

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4592

The atheist I was talking about in that thread is one of the persons (a different friend) who was convinced by Jordan Peterson (mentioned in the OP) to reconsider his atheism. Hilarious when I think about it, all that emotional effort/energy I gave thinking the UB would be key and in the end a philosopher/psychologist on youtube convinced him :shock: :lol: Ah well, whatever it takes.

I'm going to read through that thread since there's plenty related material to mull over, didn't realise it took off that much!


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Hahaha....no worries!! :lol:

The UB describes the faith experience in ways I had never imagined. Lots of people on this world are having faith experiences and giving faith expressions to others as well! Indeed both faith and religious experience are so innate and natural and internally responsive to the Spirit ministry that mortal mind cannot even conceive or explain true religious experience. Can one have religious experience without being "religious"??? Yes. For sure.

There are those that require certain beliefs and acts and expressions for any to be "saved" from damnation or to earn survival status. Thankfully God has no such creedal requirements. Of course fusion and eternal standing are another matter and there are rather strenuous requirements for such ascendency that do require knowledge and effort. But the birth of soul happens to children and primitives and barbarians ….and atheists….and when we give the love we feel to others, we are having a religious experience...a bona fide and genuine soul feeding spiritualizing progressive experience!!

2:5.2 (39.1) It is wrong to think of God as being coaxed into loving his children because of the sacrifices of his Sons or the intercession of his subordinate creatures, “for the Father himself loves you.” It is in response to this paternal affection that God sends the marvelous Adjusters to indwell the minds of men. God’s love is universal; “whosoever will may come.” He would “have all men be saved by coming into the knowledge of the truth.” He is “not willing that any should perish.”

5:5.2 (68.5) Religion is not grounded in the facts of science, the obligations of society, the assumptions of philosophy, or the implied duties of morality. Religion is an independent realm of human response to life situations and is unfailingly exhibited at all stages of human development which are postmoral. Religion may permeate all four levels of the realization of values and the enjoyment of universe fellowship: the physical or material level of self-preservation; the social or emotional level of fellowship; the moral or duty level of reason; the spiritual level of the consciousness of universe fellowship through divine worship.

5:5.3 (68.6) The fact-seeking scientist conceives of God as the First Cause, a God of force. The emotional artist sees God as the ideal of beauty, a God of aesthetics. The reasoning philosopher is sometimes inclined to posit a God of universal unity, even a pantheistic Deity. The religionist of faith believes in a God who fosters survival, the Father in heaven, the God of love.

5:5.4 (68.7) Moral conduct is always an antecedent of evolved religion and a part of even revealed religion, but never the whole of religious experience. Social service is the result of moral thinking and religious living. Morality does not biologically lead to the higher spiritual levels of religious experience. The adoration of the abstract beautiful is not the worship of God; neither is exaltation of nature nor the reverence of unity the worship of God.

5:5.5 (68.8) Evolutionary religion is the mother of the science, art, and philosophy which elevated man to the level of receptivity to revealed religion, including the bestowal of Adjusters and the coming of the Spirit of Truth. The evolutionary picture of human existence begins and ends with religion, albeit very different qualities of religion, one evolutional and biological, the other revelational and periodical. And so, while religion is normal and natural to man, it is also optional. Man does not have to be religious against his will.

5:5.6 (69.1) Religious experience, being essentially spiritual, can never be fully understood by the material mind; hence the function of theology, the psychology of religion. The essential doctrine of the human realization of God creates a paradox in finite comprehension. It is well-nigh impossible for human logic and finite reason to harmonize the concept of divine immanence, God within and a part of every individual, with the idea of God’s transcendence, the divine domination of the universe of universes. These two essential concepts of Deity must be unified in the faith-grasp of the concept of the transcendence of a personal God and in the realization of the indwelling presence of a fragment of that God in order to justify intelligent worship and validate the hope of personality survival. The difficulties and paradoxes of religion are inherent in the fact that the realities of religion are utterly beyond the mortal capacity for intellectual comprehension.

103:5.3 (1134.1) All men recognize the morality of this universal human urge to be unselfish and altruistic. The humanist ascribes the origin of this urge to the natural working of the material mind; the religionist more correctly recognizes that the truly unselfish drive of mortal mind is in response to the inner spirit leadings of the Thought Adjuster.


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