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Pethuel, can you give some UB reference for this video? It seems to be about some evidence that the Americas were inhabited long before commonly thought.


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Thanks MaryJo for asking for clarification. I posted the video for two reasons: 1) That open minded scientists or even pseudo-science investigators are seeing obvious evidence of human occupation of North America way before the "accepted" dates, opening the door for speculation and for some acceptance of the historical narrative of the UB. For example wikipedia states that the earliest human occupation was around 10-14 thousand years ago ---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlemen ... e_Americas

But the UB states that:

64:6.5 (723.4) About eighty-five thousand years ago the comparatively pure remnants of the red race went en masse across to North America, and shortly thereafter the Bering land isthmus sank, thus isolating them. No red man ever returned to Asia. But throughout Siberia, China, central Asia, India, and Europe they left behind much of their stock blended with the other colored races.

64:6.6 (723.5) When the red man crossed over into America, he brought along much of the teachings and traditions of his early origin. His immediate ancestors had been in touch with the later activities of the world headquarters of the Planetary Prince. But in a short time after reaching the Americas, the red men began to lose sight of these teachings, and there occurred a great decline in intellectual and spiritual culture. Very soon these people again fell to fighting so fiercely among themselves that it appeared that these tribal wars would result in the speedy extinction of this remnant of the comparatively pure red race.

64:6.7 (723.6) Because of this great retrogression the red men seemed doomed when, about sixty-five thousand years ago, Onamonalonton appeared as their leader and spiritual deliverer. He brought temporary peace among the American red men and revived their worship of the “Great Spirit.” Onamonalonton lived to be ninety-six years of age and maintained his headquarters among the great redwood trees of California. Many of his later descendants have come down to modern times among the Blackfoot Indians.

2) I was also curious about this guy Graham Hancock, and if anyone here on the forum had heard of him. There are so many wannabe "authorities" out there, and many of them just seem to be promoting themselves and selling books, but every now and then someone comes along calling attention to discrepancies in the accepted general knowledge base.

Even now, in the very back yard of my stomping grounds in Idaho they have discovered solid evidence of older human occupation --- https://www.nationalgeographic.com/cult ... as-oldest/
and to me this may encourage others to dig even further and farther back in time, and in their search for information may stumble across the UB narrative.

The same thing is happening in the fields of cosmology and astrophysics, confirming the old adage that "the more we learn the more we realize how much we don't know" and yet the Papers offer a clear and concise historical record of our planet. Although the UB states that cosmology is not inspired, from what I can gather the Urantia historical record is solid:

101:4.2 (1109.3) Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.

I hope this helps, thanks again for asking for clarification.


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pethuel wrote:
2) I was also curious about this guy Graham Hancock, and if anyone here on the forum had heard of him. There are so many wannabe "authorities" out there, and many of them just seem to be promoting themselves and selling books, but every now and then someone comes along calling attention to discrepancies in the accepted general knowledge base.


i've heard of him and some of his theories yeah...it's mostly pseudoarcheology but the three sites mentioned in his video are legit results, not twisted to fit a theory. there are many more pre-clovis sites though. the new book he's promoting seems to want to build a theory that human civilization started in the americas, which would have a big problem accounting for so many different early homo species and sites found elsewhere and none in the americas though.


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pethuel wrote:
2) I was also curious about this guy Graham Hancock, and if anyone here on the forum had heard of him. There are so many wannabe "authorities" out there, and many of them just seem to be promoting themselves and selling books, but every now and then someone comes along calling attention to discrepancies in the accepted general knowledge base.


i've heard of him and some of his theories yeah...it's mostly pseudoarcheology but the three sites mentioned in his video are legit results, not twisted to fit a theory. there are many more pre-clovis sites though. the new book he's promoting seems to want to build a theory that human civilization started in the americas, which would have a big problem accounting for so many different early homo species and sites found elsewhere and none in the americas though.


Thanks Makalu, I was just reading your comments on another. thread and the link regarding the
discoveries in California
https://www.livescience.com/58851-human ... ought.html
I became interested because I grew up within a few miles of the current Cooper's Ferry site in Idaho and many of my friends are from the Nez Perce tribe. The UB account of the red man has always fascinated me, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.


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Thanks Makalu, I was just reading your comments on another. thread and the link regarding the
discoveries in California
https://www.livescience.com/58851-human ... ought.html
I became interested because I grew up within a few miles of the current Cooper's Ferry site in Idaho and many of my friends are from the Nez Perce tribe. The UB account of the red man has always fascinated me, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.


oh cool...mom's side of the family is from other side of the wallowas there nearby too. the coopers ferry site is known as nipehe and nez perce legend says it was founded by a couple whos previous home was destroyed by a flood. there was flooding along the snake river from pluvial lake bonneville and it would make sense to find a place nearby up the salmon river during those times...could be.

some of the archeologists are in danger of replacing clovis-first with a western stemmed point-first theory though....and the coastal route always made more sense than inland. considering the old coastline is now underwater and both the papers and dna agree that the founding population was very small we may never see any clear theory of the peopling of the americas. but its fun to try lol. i noticed some obsidian in the coopers ferry points and wonder if they sourced it...they might find it far off the "walk up the columbia" path they envision.


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the coastal route always made more sense than inland. considering the old coastline is now underwater and both the papers and dna agree that the founding population was very small we may never see any clear theory of the peopling of the americas.


These two time references are interesting:

64:6.5 (723.4) About eighty-five thousand years ago the comparatively pure remnants of the red race went en masse across to North America, and shortly thereafter the Bering land isthmus sank, thus isolating them. No red man ever returned to Asia. But throughout Siberia, China, central Asia, India, and Europe they left behind much of their stock blended with the other colored races.

64:6.7 (723.6) Because of this great retrogression the red men seemed doomed when, about sixty-five thousand years ago, Onamonalonton appeared as their leader and spiritual deliverer. He brought temporary peace among the American red men and revived their worship of the “Great Spirit.” Onamonalonton lived to be ninety-six years of age and maintained his headquarters among the great redwood trees of California. Many of his later descendants have come down to modern times among the Blackfoot Indians.

A period of 20,000 years with red men on the North American continent before Onamonalonton!

This morning I was wondering about the relatively low population of the native American tribes, how many children they normally had in their lifetime, etc. and then while looking for other information I saw this section:

80:2.4 (890.8) About the time of these climatic changes in Africa, England separated from the continent, and Denmark arose from the sea, while the isthmus of Gibraltar, protecting the western basin of the Mediterranean, gave way as the result of an earthquake, quickly raising this inland lake to the level of the Atlantic Ocean. Presently the Sicilian land bridge submerged, creating one sea of the Mediterranean and connecting it with the Atlantic Ocean. This cataclysm of nature flooded scores of human settlements and occasioned the greatest loss of life by flood in all the world’s history.

I am now wondering if these cataclysmic events such as the submergence of the Sicilian land bridge and the Bering land bridge (Beringia) were simultaneous? I am sure there are better quotes, but I am wondering aloud here.


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no, those things happened later...probably 30-35 thousand years ago


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Makalu wrote:
no, those things happened later...probably 30-35 thousand years ago


This so upsets the doctrinal apple cart ha ha! It is sad but interesting to see the scientific community divided along doctrinal lines, the old school resisting change, just like in the world's religions.

This thread aroused my curiosity, I started re-reading that section in the UB, it is so nice to have a fresh look at the Urantia timeline in the light of the Papers. I must confess that the first time I read through this it was quite a bumpy ride, I plowed through by faith even though it was shaking me up and challenging nearly 50 years of fundamentalist Bible indoctrination!


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yeah, and in the 30's when the papers were written the new 10,000 years ago clovis first theory was at loggerheads with the mainstream 2000 years ago lost tribe of israel theory lol


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Regarding Cooper's Ferry, a friend from the Nez Perce tribe posted this article today

https://www.wallowa.com/news/ancient-ne ... i_bdcw0x7Q

The tribe's version is interesting!


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