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I might be writing this prematurely, but I am now on Paper 24 (started with the forward!) and so far I have not noticed any descriptions of the appearances of any of the celestial entities (alternatively I could say beings or characters). Apart from perhaps the Paradise Sons, I use my imagination to visualize all the entities as dots/orbs of light or fireflies seen from afar especially the thought adjusters. Some are larger than others. I see these dots of light travel across vast distances of space as there so far is no description of spaceships.

The only other visualization that comes to mind when reading the book is countless planets covered with mansions and palaces with pools and gardens.

Of course that is just the image in my mind. I would imagine most of the celestial entities take on the image of the mortals of the inhabited worlds. If that were the case, other than us human beings, do you visualize the inhabitants of the other worlds looking like the creatures of Star Trek and Star Wars?

I understand that it is irrelevant to the teachings of the book and I've read on more than one occasion in the papers that there are certain things than mortals cannot comprehend and truths that we are not entitled to know at the present time. However I cannot help but let my imagination run wild!

If anything will be clarified for me in later papers, tell me about it.


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We learn in paper 38 that angels do not have physical bodies; but in paper 39, there is somewhat of a description of angels.

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“The erroneous idea that angels possess wings is not wholly due to olden notions that they must have wings to fly through the air. Human beings have sometimes been permitted to observe seraphim that were being prepared for transport service, and the traditions of these experiences have largely determined the Urantian concept of angels. In observing a transport seraphim being made ready to receive a passenger for interplanetary transit, there may be seen what are apparently double sets of wings extending from the head to the foot of the angel. In reality these wings are energy insulators—friction shields.” (438.5) 39:5.12


As to the other types of celestial beings, I, personally, have not thought of them in physical form. They have a shape and a presence in my mind, but I would not be able to describe it or characterize height, head shape, body size, or anything like that.

I agree it is fun, though, to try to imagine the physical appearance of these beneficent beings.


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William, there's this:

39:5.11 (438.4) Your conventional idea of angels has been derived in the following way: During moments just prior to physical death a reflective phenomenon sometimes occurs in the human mind, and this dimming consciousness seems to visualize something of the form of the attending angel, and this is immediately translated into terms of the habitual concept of angels held in that individual’s mind.

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47:1.2 (530.6) Though the finaliter world is a sphere of exquisite physical beauty and extraordinary morontia embellishment, the great spirit abode located at the center of activities, the temple of the finaliters, is not visible to the unaided material or early morontia vision. But the energy transformers are able to visualize many of these realities to ascending mortals, and from time to time they do thus function, as on the occasions of the class assemblies of the mansion world students on this cultural sphere.

47:1.3 (531.1) All through the mansion world experience you are in a way spiritually aware of the presence of your glorified brethren of Paradise attainment, but it is very refreshing, now and then, actually to perceive them as they function in their headquarters abodes. You will not spontaneously visualize finaliters until you acquire true spirit vision.

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Let me add that us ascending mortals are or will be the only beings in all the universe of universes who will be able to actually see ALL other beings of every phase of spirit, morontial, and material origin. An example of the last being first? Not all celestials of morontia form can see all spirit beings and not all spirit beings can perceive material beings...but material born ascenders who achieve finaliter status will perceive all beings everywhere due to our unique origins and destiny ascension.

There are some readers who have drawn or painted their own renderings of celestial beings...but I would suggest your own imagined in mind are probably superior in form and function. The sheer number of beings revealed and all the activity in the vastness of the universes is a wonderful portrayal of grandness of God and creation.


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Not trying to change subject, just pointing out how the authors many times especially in parts 1 and 2 try to give us technique to gain a vision/appreciation of the spirit world from our material world perspective. We cannot do this visualization with our senses but certainly our mind can be used.
Paper 44 is one of my favorites, it’s about celestial artists and the author of the paper works hard to help us visualize what these artists do which and this technique can be used to visualize these spirit beings as well. Think about this quote clipped from paper 44-

From paper 44:7 If I had the least possible basis for comparison, I would attempt to portray this unique field of spirit achievement, but I despair — there is no hope of conveying to mortal minds this sphere of celestial artistry. Nevertheless, that which cannot be described may still be implied:

And implied is the key to helping us gain that vision or appreciation of spirit activities beyond our senses and maybe even beings.
And implied is what this author does. I’d suggest reading the paper.
The authors of many of these papers understand our need to have a more logical and realistic appreciation of spirit realities and they make much effort to help us gain it.
They want to help us take away the magic and mysticism that we deal with when it comes to this.


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So wings are really A double set of friction shields extending from the head to the toe before seraphim are engaged in interplanetary transport presumably of sleeping survivors? Why do we still call this "wings"? How is the pattern of the shield therein mentioned similar to a bird's wing? A wing that enfolds? A wing-shape in its curvature? Is this like the curvature of a donut, an apple or a torus ring in UB 39?

We are told more of the function of seraphim rather than their appearances, and so I relate that if I may effectively employ the higher set of my human emotions and behavioural capacities* (UB 38:2.2), I might create the chance to adopt some of the actual functions of seraphim, learn to cooperate. However what is more effective in diligence, the fantastic forecast of the appearances of such creature as sanobim and cherub or rather learning to be like Jesus who did cooperate with all laws of every nation.

38:2.2 Though seraphim are very affectionate and sympathetic beings, they are not sex-emotion creatures.

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rick warren wrote:
William, there's this:

39:5.11 (438.4) Your conventional idea of angels has been derived in the following way: During moments just prior to physical death a reflective phenomenon sometimes occurs in the human mind, and this dimming consciousness seems to visualize something of the form of the attending angel, and this is immediately translated into terms of the habitual concept of angels held in that individual’s mind.

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47:1.2 (530.6) Though the finaliter world is a sphere of exquisite physical beauty and extraordinary morontia embellishment, the great spirit abode located at the center of activities, the temple of the finaliters, is not visible to the unaided material or early morontia vision. But the energy transformers are able to visualize many of these realities to ascending mortals, and from time to time they do thus function, as on the occasions of the class assemblies of the mansion world students on this cultural sphere.

47:1.3 (531.1) All through the mansion world experience you are in a way spiritually aware of the presence of your glorified brethren of Paradise attainment, but it is very refreshing, now and then, actually to perceive them as they function in their headquarters abodes. You will not spontaneously visualize finaliters until you acquire true spirit vision.



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The mansion world that orbit the finaliter world have many transport angels that take ascenders to visit the finaliter world so mortals can get a glimpse of the future?
Why do you suppose this is the case? Faith retention?
Possibly its because of the ease that new morontia students can be turned to iniquity?
Anyway, transport angels wings do protect from friction and dont this make you consider what else is happening as well as friction? These wings must have some sort of inertial dampening for angel and transportee, dont you think? All are subject to gravity, no?


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There is another way the revelation helps us visualize spirit realities.
Think about how we respond to words, take the word value for example: the vast majority of us think about what is on sale at the mall or grocery store.
Try using the word search engine for the Urantia book and search for the word value and do some reading.
You will get a good taste of how our thinking is so closely tied to and conditioned by the material creation that we exist in.
Value is really a spiritual word and we need to consider how it’s used.


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