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From The Urantia Book, paper 101 section 6.4,
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"The evolutionary type of knowledge is but the accumulation of protoplasmic memory material; this is the most primitive form of creature consciousness. Wisdom embraces the ideas formulated from protoplasmic memory in process of association and recombination, and such phenomena differentiate human mind from mere animal mind. [...]." ( 1111.8, 101:6.4 )

On page 50 of his 1980 book, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, David Bohm proposes an interesting distinction between "thinking" and "perception". By defining a primitive mode of "thinking" to be a more-or-less sophisticated juggling of that "protoplasmic memory material" (see 101:6.4 above), he can then contrast this with higher order modes, which he calls "acts of perception".

From Bohm, page 50,
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"It is clear that thought, considered in this way as the response of memory, is basically mechanical in its order of operation. Either it is a repetition of some previously existent structure drawn from memory, or else it is some combination arrangement and organization of these memories into further structures of ideas and concepts, categories, etc. These combinations may possess a certain kind of novelty resulting from the fortuitous interplay of elements of memory, but it is clear that such novelty is still essentially mechanical (like the new combinations appearing in a kaleidoscope)."

If a certain neural-biological capacity is required to enable such kaleidoscopic recombination (of protoplasmic memory material), and if this foundation then determines the "potential for intellectual capacity" (in animal and then human mind), then evolving such capacity must be high on the agenda of the Life Carriers?

Bohm continues:
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"There is in this mechanical process no inherent reason why the thoughts that arise should be relevant or fitting to the actual situation that evokes them. The perception of whether or not any particular thoughts are relevant or fitting requires the operation of an energy that is not mechanical, an energy that we shall call intelligence. This latter is able to perceive a new order or a new structure, that is not just a modification of what is already known or present in memory. For example, one may be working on a puzzling problem for a long time. Suddenly, in a flash of understanding, one may see the irrelevance of one’s whole way of thinking about the problem, along with a different approach in which all the elements fit in a new order and in a new structure. Clearly, such a flash is essentially an act of perception, rather than a process of thought (a similar notion was discussed in chapter 1), though later it may be expressed in thought. What is involved in this act is perception through the mind of abstract orders and relationships such as identity and difference, separation and connection, necessity and contingency, cause and effect, etc."

(David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, 1980, page 50).

Let's assume that this accumulation and juggling of "protoplasmic memory material" involves the biochemistry of neurons firing, and of forming and rehearsing neural connections. Since such neural activity is now easy for scientists to measure, a scientist who assumes a materialist model might be forgiven for mistaking such biological activity for "mind"...

On the other hand, the Urantia Book reveals that human intelligence involves the rhythmic pulsation of a set of circuit-like adjutants,

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"[...]. In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits and effects its decisions within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry." ( 1286.5, 117:5.7 )

If we associate this adjutant-based type of intellect with what Bohm called intelligence (see above quote from Bohm, p.50), and then distinguish this from the more-or-less mechanical juggling of that "protoplasmic memory material", then the Divine Minister's "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" become not so much the source of "intellectual capacity", but rather a set of characteristic "modes of perception" into that intellectual capacity. The potential for such capacity will be determined by the bio-neural systems the Life Carriers manage to evolve, while the capacity for discovery, recognition, interpretation and choosing become a function of the perception made accessible via the adjutant level of consciousness of the Divine Minister.

In a recent study of Paper 36: The Life Carriers (at another forum), a question came up about how these "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" actually engage animals. Do they encircuit directly the "life" in such life-forms, or is some subtle biochemistry involved? Either way, it seems clear that the Life Carriers' task involves the evolution of animals with whatever is required for them to be "contactable" by the Adjutants.

This issue, of evolving a necessary compatibility, is highlighted in paper 65 section 7:
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"[...]. With but a single exception, the adjutants experienced the greatest difficulty in contacting with the evolving minds of Urantia organisms that they had ever had in all their functioning throughout the universe of Nebadon. On this world there developed many forms of border phenomena -- confusional combinations of the mechanical-nonteachable and the nonmechanical-teachable types of organismal response." ( 738.7, 65:7.4 )

Even more interesting is that these Adjutant Mind Spirits seek "receptivity capacity" individually and independently,
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"[...]. These mind-spirits send forth their influence into all the inhabited worlds as a differential urge, each seeking receptivity capacity for manifestation quite apart from the degree to which its fellows may find reception and opportunity for function." ( 401.6, 36:5.2 )

Since our intellect is said (1286.5, 117:5.7) to reside in the rhythmic pulsations of these circuit-like mind-spirits, and since our decisions are formed and acted upon "within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry" (117:5.7), this arena is clearly an important part of the Urantia Book story for us to explore  :idea:

I'd love to hear comments and fresh thoughts on this topic!

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0:5.8    2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.


Nigel,

From the Forward we discover that there is a 3 fold capability built into the human organism. I was struck with the insight (perception) that perception implies "other". This may only mean other than memory or it may include any other source as allowed by our willful decisions to limit input. Thought concluded from organic memory is not perceived as perception is implied in this. Perception climbs on memory and listens to and for whatever, truly the known listening to the unknown. When it "hears" it uses its genetic process ability (IQ) to evaluate, seeking a thorough who, what, where and when so it can identify the input in relation to its memory, its accumulated knowledge. So while thinking about thinking is valuable and important, thinking about perceiving is potentially more valuable. Now if we add thinking about the concept of feeling, as suggested, (remember, spiritual truths are felt) we open up ourselves to the broadest possible potential for comprehension of the universe; at least as it is perceivable from our limited position as humans.

I don't mean to sound dogmatic in this, please forgive me if I do. These are wonderful and meaty issues to discuss. Thanks.

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Hello nnunn,

If I am understanding correctly, based on what you present, adjutant mind is apart from human intellect; Adjutant mind is perception, not intellect, which eventually yields intellect to 'worship' and 'wisdom,' requisites for engaging higher cosmic mind.

Human intellect is sourced from the bio-neural network of the brain; Adjutants superimpose or encircuit the bio-neural system, and degree of reception of Adjutants is proportional to the complexity of this neural network; the more complex a network the greater the degree of perception.

Is that the correct understanding of what you propose? I had to reread your post but even then I am not sure I understand it fully.






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From The Urantia Book, paper 101 section 6.4,
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"The evolutionary type of knowledge is but the accumulation of protoplasmic memory material; this is the most primitive form of creature consciousness. Wisdom embraces the ideas formulated from protoplasmic memory in process of association and recombination, and such phenomena differentiate human mind from mere animal mind. [...]." ( 1111.8, 101:6.4 )

On page 50 of his 1980 book, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, David Bohm proposes an interesting distinction between "thinking" and "perception". By defining a primitive mode of "thinking" to be a more-or-less sophisticated juggling of that "protoplasmic memory material" (see 101:6.4 above), he can then contrast this with higher order modes, which he calls "acts of perception".

From Bohm, page 50,
Quote:
"It is clear that thought, considered in this way as the response of memory, is basically mechanical in its order of operation. Either it is a repetition of some previously existent structure drawn from memory, or else it is some combination arrangement and organization of these memories into further structures of ideas and concepts, categories, etc. These combinations may possess a certain kind of novelty resulting from the fortuitous interplay of elements of memory, but it is clear that such novelty is still essentially mechanical (like the new combinations appearing in a kaleidoscope)."

If a certain neural-biological capacity is required to enable such kaleidoscopic recombination (of protoplasmic memory material), and if this foundation then determines the "potential for intellectual capacity" (in animal and then human mind), then evolving such capacity must be high on the agenda of the Life Carriers?

Bohm continues:
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"There is in this mechanical process no inherent reason why the thoughts that arise should be relevant or fitting to the actual situation that evokes them. The perception of whether or not any particular thoughts are relevant or fitting requires the operation of an energy that is not mechanical, an energy that we shall call intelligence. This latter is able to perceive a new order or a new structure, that is not just a modification of what is already known or present in memory. For example, one may be working on a puzzling problem for a long time. Suddenly, in a flash of understanding, one may see the irrelevance of one’s whole way of thinking about the problem, along with a different approach in which all the elements fit in a new order and in a new structure. Clearly, such a flash is essentially an act of perception, rather than a process of thought (a similar notion was discussed in chapter 1), though later it may be expressed in thought. What is involved in this act is perception through the mind of abstract orders and relationships such as identity and difference, separation and connection, necessity and contingency, cause and effect, etc."

(David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, 1980, page 50).

Let's assume that this accumulation and juggling of "protoplasmic memory material" involves the biochemistry of neurons firing, and of forming and rehearsing neural connections. Since such neural activity is now easy for scientists to measure, a scientist who assumes a materialist model might be forgiven for mistaking such biological activity for "mind"...

On the other hand, the Urantia Book reveals that human intelligence involves the rhythmic pulsation of a set of circuit-like adjutants,

Quote:
"[...]. In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits and effects its decisions within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry." ( 1286.5, 117:5.7 )

If we associate this adjutant-based type of intellect with what Bohm called intelligence (see above quote from Bohm, p.50), and then distinguish this from the more-or-less mechanical juggling of that "protoplasmic memory material", then the Divine Minister's "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" become not so much the source of "intellectual capacity", but rather a set of characteristic "modes of perception" into that intellectual capacity. The potential for such capacity will be determined by the bio-neural systems the Life Carriers manage to evolve, while the capacity for discovery, recognition, interpretation and choosing become a function of the perception made accessible via the adjutant level of consciousness of the Divine Minister.

In a recent study of Paper 36: The Life Carriers (at another forum), a question came up about how these "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" actually engage animals. Do they encircuit directly the "life" in such life-forms, or is some subtle biochemistry involved? Either way, it seems clear that the Life Carriers' task involves the evolution of animals with whatever is required for them to be "contactable" by the Adjutants.

This issue, of evolving a necessary compatibility, is highlighted in paper 65 section 7:
Quote:
"[...]. With but a single exception, the adjutants experienced the greatest difficulty in contacting with the evolving minds of Urantia organisms that they had ever had in all their functioning throughout the universe of Nebadon. On this world there developed many forms of border phenomena -- confusional combinations of the mechanical-nonteachable and the nonmechanical-teachable types of organismal response." ( 738.7, 65:7.4 )

Even more interesting is that these Adjutant Mind Spirits seek "receptivity capacity" individually and independently,
Quote:
"[...]. These mind-spirits send forth their influence into all the inhabited worlds as a differential urge, each seeking receptivity capacity for manifestation quite apart from the degree to which its fellows may find reception and opportunity for function." ( 401.6, 36:5.2 )

Since our intellect is said (1286.5, 117:5.7) to reside in the rhythmic pulsations of these circuit-like mind-spirits, and since our decisions are formed and acted upon "within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry" (117:5.7), this arena is clearly an important part of the Urantia Book story for us to explore  :idea:

I'd love to hear comments and fresh thoughts on this topic!

Nigel

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The intelligence creates the perception, and this may apply practically on every level.

You must learn from the experience you have. Take for instance what perspective you have of your own memories. Whereas perspective controls the process by which you select certain memories, the intelligence is the way memories are enhanced and coloured by the Adjutant ministry. "Why do I feel this way about a certain experience?" This is the indication that you have through your own self-observative personality, that God is operating individuated intelligence through your own experiencial form.

We can no longer afford to claim "God has led me into this experience?" But through real personality, it is compelling the way perception is altered by the way God feels about a situation.

Once you become complacent about a situation, then there is ultimate danger that the body-mind harmonization, of how the Adjutant ministry enhances and colours the perspective of your experiences, will diminish. The perspective is entirely malleable, therefore, and this is not according to the Life Carriers' planetary trust, but to the way that the sentient individual, the intelligence, abides in the current of God's righteous moral affection.

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Greetings Nigel!!

I'm really looking forward to your topic here. I hope you will be sharing your paper and diagrams on the Adjutants which I found very helpful in its graphical portrayal of the integration and ministry of all 7 associated circuits of the material mind.

For some related reading, here's a link to a key word search for "intellect" for us all to review:

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... &start=all

I also recommend a re-read of Paper 42 Energy - Mind and Matter for more orientation.

The ministry of mind and mind gravity, personality and personality gravity, the soul and spirit gravity, free will, identity, self, transcendence, harmonization....so many related facets integrated by the Adjutants in the "mortal" being of time and space.

112:5.4 (1232.5) Human beings possess identity only in the material sense. Such qualities of the self are expressed by the material mind as it functions in the energy system of the intellect. When it is said that man has identity, it is recognized that he is in possession of a mind circuit which has been placed in subordination to the acts and choosing of the will of the human personality. But this is a material and purely temporary manifestation, just as the human embryo is a transient parasitic stage of human life. Human beings, from a cosmic perspective, are born, live, and die in a relative instant of time; they are not enduring. But mortal personality, through its own choosing, possesses the power of transferring its seat of identity from the passing material-intellect system to the higher morontia-soul system which, in association with the Thought Adjuster, is created as a new vehicle for personality manifestation.

112:5.5 (1233.1) And it is this very power of choice, the universe insignia of freewill creaturehood, that constitutes man’s greatest opportunity and his supreme cosmic responsibility. Upon the integrity of the human volition depends the eternal destiny of the future finaliter; upon the sincerity of the mortal free will the divine Adjuster depends for eternal personality; upon the faithfulness of mortal choice the Universal Father depends for the realization of a new ascending son; upon the steadfastness and wisdom of decision-actions the Supreme Being depends for the actuality of experiential evolution.

112:6.5 (1236.3) Creature volition cannot exist without mind, but it does persist in spite of the loss of the material intellect. During the times immediately following survival, the ascending personality is in great measure guided by the character patterns inherited from the human life and by the newly appearing action of morontia mota. And these guides to mansonia conduct function acceptably in the early stages of the morontia life and prior to the emergence of morontia will as a full-fledged volitional expression of the ascending personality.

112:6.6 (1236.4) There are no influences in the local universe career comparable to the seven adjutant mind-spirits of human existence. The morontia mind must evolve by direct contact with cosmic mind, as this cosmic mind has been modified and translated by the creative source of local universe intellect—the Divine Minister.

112:6.9 (1237.1) The soul of survival value faithfully reflects both the qualitative and the quantitative actions and motivations of the material intellect, the former seat of the identity of selfhood. In the choosing of truth, beauty, and goodness, the mortal mind enters upon its premorontia universe career under the tutelage of the seven adjutant mind-spirits unified under the direction of the spirit of wisdom. Subsequently, upon the completion of the seven circles of premorontia attainment, the superimposition of the endowment of morontia mind upon adjutant mind initiates the prespiritual or morontia career of local universe progression.

112:6.10 (1237.2) When a creature leaves his native planet, he leaves the adjutant ministry behind and becomes solely dependent on morontia intellect. When an ascender leaves the local universe, he has attained the spiritual level of existence, having passed beyond the morontia level. This newly appearing spirit entity then becomes attuned to the direct ministry of the cosmic mind of Orvonton.


Me here: Consider the length of this bridge from the single cell organism to the plant to the full spectrum of material life on 7 trillion worlds that is so patiently created and woven together by the partnership of the Life Carriers and Adjutants, to deliver the evolutionary process to create a mind and intellect that can find and choose spirit...the ability to conceive of its creator and source and to have relationship with creator and source and do so as a unique person and self with identity with eternal potential for experience and expression! The ministry of the Adjutants is one very long bridge...from amoeba to eternal soul. Now is there mind which may choose and discover and learn and transcend its own limits and progress the self from material animal to pure spirit. Amazing.



Thanks Nigel!

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In some ways all mind is alike. In other ways, adjutant mind has many levels of distinction. The highest two Adjutants deliver significant differentiation to both functionality and potential. The mortal, material mind engaging all 7 Adjutants has the ability to partner with pure Spirit and co-create soul with eternal destiny potential. Soul is the mortal's morontia mind and being to whom the believing and worshiping mind transfers its personal identity and priority/decision loyalties by the ministry and influence of pure spirit mind. Upon material death, there is no longer any form of Adjutant circuit or mind ministry but there is still "mind". Upon fusion, we enjoy the integration of spirit mind and morontia mind.

The human/mortal beings are the only creatures in all the universe of universes where there is the intersection and conjunction of every source and form of mind; from the mind of slime to the mind of the sublime, all packaged into one being of the realm, material and yet fully connected to pure spirit, with the ability to fully transform from one level of being into another like the metamorphosis of the worm into the butterfly of flight and as the mere tadpole transitions through its stages/circles of an underwater creature of gills and tail to that with lungs and legs moving from life under the water's surface to life above it.

This is the bridge of the Adjutants....the longest bridge, perhaps, in all of creation. Except, perhaps, that of the Father Fragment who traverses eternity between Paradise and the mortal mind to reside and seek union with the worm/tadpoles of time if they can but transcend their material state and become the butterflies and frogs of their potential. Or except, perhaps, mind itself...which is dispersed across all of creation to integrate, harmonize, and coordinate the spiritual domination of all material reality.

We are taught that the further from Paradise the more divergent and oppositional becomes spirit and material. It is mind that must formulate that reunification of these back to their source. The closer to Paradise we get, the more unified are we and everything else. The realities of time and space require the intervention of mind to make sense of the dualities of being and creation itself. By our decisions and free will experience and expressions do we actualize potential and create new potential for further actualization. But only material mind connected to all 7 adjutants can aspire to that level of mind which can integrate, harmonize, organize, and coordinate reality by transcendent and transformative experience.

Morontia and spirit mindedness do not thusly transform and transcend I do not think. They are created with inherent capacity. Not so the mortal tadpole. We are the only creatures who will experience every single level of being and creation from the most material and temporal to the most spiritual and eternal. We are the pinnacle of creation in the universe of time and space. From slime to the sublime. This is the achievement of the Adjutants!

116:6.1 In the evolutionary superuniverses energy-matter is dominant except in personality, where spirit through the mediation of mind is struggling for the mastery. The goal of the evolutionary universes is the subjugation of energy-matter by mind, the co-ordination of mind with spirit, and all of this by virtue of the creative and unifying presence of personality. Thus, in relation to personality, do physical systems become subordinate; mind systems, co-ordinate; and spirit systems, directive.

116:6.2 This union of power and personality is expressive on deity levels in and as the Supreme. But the actual evolution of spirit dominance is a growth which is predicated on the freewill acts of the Creators and creatures of the grand universe.

Me here: And thusly are we provided with the purpose and meaning and great value of Epochal Revelation. Mind will invent reality context unless it knows and is provided reality context. Our efforts and striving to transform and transcend are either greatly helped or greatly retarded by true facts and reality context or by falsehoods and fantasies. To be human/mortal with knowledge of universe realities and the experience of Divine Love is a wonderful life and experience, a true motivation to achieve and to serve and to embrace the adventure of uncertainty and embrace the wonder of such a life.

So many seem so disappointed which can only mean they do not see the reality presented in the Urantia Book or simply do not believe it....or do not have it at all and still do so many bear the fruits of the Spirit in this life...by the Adjutants circuit connections to the Spirit within us all.

115:1.1 Partial, incomplete, and evolving intellects would be helpless in the master universe, would be unable to form the first rational thought pattern, were it not for the innate ability of all mind, high or low, to form a universe frame in which to think. If mind cannot fathom conclusions, if it cannot penetrate to true origins, then will such mind unfailingly postulate conclusions and invent origins that it may have a means of logical thought within the frame of these mind-created postulates. And while such universe frames for creature thought are indispensable to rational intellectual operations, they are, without exception, erroneous to a greater or lesser degree.

115:1.2 Conceptual frames of the universe are only relatively true; they are serviceable scaffolding which must eventually give way before the expansions of enlarging cosmic comprehension. The understandings of truth, beauty, and goodness, morality, ethics, duty, love, divinity, origin, existence, purpose, destiny, time, space, even Deity, are only relatively true. God is much, much more than a Father, but the Father is man's highest concept of God; nonetheless, the Father-Son portrayal of Creator-creature relationship will be augmented by those supermortal conceptions of Deity which will be attained in Orvonton, in Havona, and on Paradise. Man must think in a mortal universe frame, but that does not mean that he cannot envision other and higher frames within which thought can take place.

From the Discourse on Reality....words and teachings of the Master:

130:4.4 A one-eyed person can never hope to visualize depth of perspective. Neither can single-eyed material scientists nor single-eyed spiritual mystics and allegorists correctly visualize and adequately comprehend the true depths of universe reality. All true values of creature experience are concealed in depth of recognition.

130:4.5 Mindless causation cannot evolve the refined and complex from the crude and the simple, neither can spiritless experience evolve the divine characters of eternal survival from the material minds of the mortals of time. The one attribute of the universe which so exclusively characterizes the infinite Deity is this unending creative bestowal of personality which can survive in progressive Deity attainment.

130:4.6 Personality is that cosmic endowment, that phase of universal reality, which can coexist with unlimited change and at the same time retain its identity in the very presence of all such changes, and forever afterward.

130:4.7 Life is an adaptation of the original cosmic causation to the demands and possibilities of universe situations, and it comes into being by the action of the Universal Mind and the activation of the spirit spark of the God who is spirit. The meaning of life is its adaptability; the value of life is its progressability—even to the heights of God-consciousness.

130:4.8 Misadaptation of self-conscious life to the universe results in cosmic disharmony. Final divergence of personality will from the trend of the universes terminates in intellectual isolation, personality segregation. Loss of the indwelling spirit pilot supervenes in spiritual cessation of existence. Intelligent and progressing life becomes then, in and of itself, an incontrovertible proof of the existence of a purposeful universe expressing the will of a divine Creator. And this life, in the aggregate, struggles toward higher values, having for its final goal the Universal Father.

130:4.9 Only in degree does man possess mind above the animal level aside from the higher and quasi-spiritual ministrations of intellect. Therefore animals (not having worship and wisdom) cannot experience superconsciousness, consciousness of consciousness. The animal mind is only conscious of the objective universe.

130:4.10 Knowledge is the sphere of the material or fact-discerning mind. Truth is the domain of the spiritually endowed intellect that is conscious of knowing God. Knowledge is demonstrable; truth is experienced. Knowledge is a possession of the mind; truth an experience of the soul, the progressing self. Knowledge is a function of the nonspiritual level; truth is a phase of the mind-spirit level of the universes. The eye of the material mind perceives a world of factual knowledge; the eye of the spiritualized intellect discerns a world of true values. These two views, synchronized and harmonized, reveal the world of reality, wherein wisdom interprets the phenomena of the universe in terms of progressive personal experience.

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"Now if we add thinking about the concept of feeling, as suggested (remember, spiritual truths are felt), we open up ourselves to the broadest possible potential for comprehension of the universe; at least as it is perceivable from our limited position as humans."

Nicely put, Jim, and agreed, meaty issues indeed. So many moving parts: mind/brain, thoughts, thinking, reflection, reflexion, intellect, intelligence, insight, perception, the amplification and feelings associated with that perception...

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"The intelligence creates the perception, and this may apply practically on every level.

You must learn from the experience you have. Take for instance what perspective you have of your own memories. Whereas perspective controls the process by which you select certain memories, the intelligence is the way memories are enhanced and coloured by the Adjutant ministry. "Why do I feel this way about a certain experience?" This is the indication that you have through your own self-observative personality, that God is operating individuated intelligence through your own experiencial form.
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Wow -- a true and gentle touch on the heart of the matter. Thanks SEla_Kelly!

Regarding applicability to almost "every level", from paper 118 section 6:
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( 1300.3, 118:6.7 ) "Volition, the act of choosing, must function within the universe frame which has actualized in response to higher and prior choosing."

This reminds me of what we might call "the Lanonandek dilemma": given that Lanonandeks are very much local universe Sons, it must be hard (impossible?) for them to imagine Michael's more absonite point of view, concerning why Nebadon exists. Especially for a brilliant but precocious Lanonandek?

Regarding the feelings mediated by Adjutant perception: this got me wondering about those Sangik siblings. Given that all 19 must have been similar in capacity for manipulating that "protoplasmic memory material" (bio-neural genotype), I wonder if one of their distinguishing features (apart from skin color) might have been a characteristic affinity for response to a particular spectrum of adjutant urge? If so, just imagine their mutual antagonisms !!

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BB, thanks for taking the time to try to understand what I was trying to say. May be worth your while trying one more time? Before offering an opinion, I tend to read someone's post many, many times. And then reflect on what they might have meant. And then try to edit my reply, to be appropriate.

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"The ministry of mind and mind gravity, personality and personality gravity, the soul and spirit gravity, free will, identity, self, transcendence, harmonization... so many related facets integrated by the Adjutants in the "mortal" being of time and space."

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"Consider the length of this bridge from the single cell organism to the plant to the full spectrum of material life on 7 trillion worlds that is so patiently created and woven together by the partnership of the Life Carriers and Adjutants, to deliver the evolutionary process to create a mind and intellect that can find and choose spirit... the ability to conceive of its creator and source and to have relationship with creator and source and do so as a unique person and self with identity with eternal potential for experience and expression! The ministry of the Adjutants is one very long bridge... from amoeba to eternal soul. Now is there mind which may choose and discover and learn and transcend its own limits and progress the self from material animal to pure spirit. Amazing."

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"The human/mortal beings are the only creatures in all the universe of universes where there is the intersection and conjunction of every source and form of mind; from the mind of slime to the mind of the sublime, all packaged into one being of the realm, material and yet fully connected to pure spirit, with the ability to fully transform from one level of being into another [...]"

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"Morontia and spirit mindedness do not thusly transform and transcend I do not think. They are created with inherent capacity. Not so the mortal tadpole. We are the only creatures who will experience every single level of being and creation from the most material and temporal to the most spiritual and eternal. We are the pinnacle of creation in the universe of time and space. From slime to the sublime. This is the achievement of the Adjutants!"

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"And thusly are we provided with the purpose and meaning and great value of Epochal Revelation. Mind will invent reality context unless it knows and is provided reality context. Our efforts and striving to transform and transcend are either greatly helped or greatly retarded by true facts and reality context or by falsehoods and fantasies. To be human/mortal with knowledge of universe realities and the experience of Divine Love is a wonderful life and experience, a true motivation to achieve and to serve and to embrace the adventure of uncertainty and embrace the wonder of such a life.

So many seem so disappointed which can only mean they do not see the reality presented in the Urantia Book or simply do not believe it... or do not have it at all and still do so many bear the fruits of the Spirit in this life... by the Adjutants circuit connections to the Spirit within us all."

Bradly, thanks for diving deep into this. As you say, this adjutant bridge -- "from slime to the sublime" -- is a breathtaking wonder!

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Hello nnunn,

Could you give some feedback on the remarks I made regarding your concept (first post I made in this thread)? It would definitely help me understand you better. Thanks!



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"Now if we add thinking about the concept of feeling, as suggested (remember, spiritual truths are felt), we open up ourselves to the broadest possible potential for comprehension of the universe; at least as it is perceivable from our limited position as humans."

Nicely put, Jim, and agreed, meaty issues indeed. So many moving parts: mind/brain, thoughts, thinking, reflection, reflexion, intellect, intelligence, insight, perception, the amplification and feelings associated with that perception...

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You must learn from the experience you have. Take for instance what perspective you have of your own memories. Whereas perspective controls the process by which you select certain memories, the intelligence is the way memories are enhanced and coloured by the Adjutant ministry. "Why do I feel this way about a certain experience?" This is the indication that you have through your own self-observative personality, that God is operating individuated intelligence through your own experiencial form.
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Wow -- a true and gentle touch on the heart of the matter. Thanks SEla_Kelly!

Regarding applicability to almost "every level", from paper 118 section 6:
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( 1300.3, 118:6.7 ) "Volition, the act of choosing, must function within the universe frame which has actualized in response to higher and prior choosing."

This reminds me of what we might call "the Lanonandek dilemma": given that Lanonandeks are very much local universe Sons, it must be hard (impossible?) for them to imagine Michael's more absonite point of view, concerning why Nebadon exists. Especially for a brilliant but precocious Lanonandek?

Regarding the feelings mediated by Adjutant perception: this got me wondering about those Sangik siblings. Given that all 19 must have been similar in capacity for manipulating that "protoplasmic memory material" (bio-neural genotype), I wonder if one of their distinguishing features (apart from skin color) might have been a characteristic affinity for response to a particular spectrum of adjutant urge? If so, just imagine their mutual antagonisms !!

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BB, thanks for taking the time to try to understand what I was trying to say. May be worth your while trying one more time? Before offering an opinion, I tend to read someone's post many, many times. And then reflect on what they might have meant. And then try to edit my reply, to be appropriate.

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Nigel - I look forward to further consideration of the power of mortal mind. For the sake of distinction we should remember that morontia mind is the arena of the soul and is different than the mind which interacts with the bio/chem/electro material brain. Experiential wisdom and memory are functions of mortal and morontial and spirit mindedness.

Experiential wisdom is a function of memory but also of projection - the reflective consideration of "what if". Our mind provides for the opportunity of transformation by making different choices than prior choices seeking new outcomes and the control of self over the urges of the adjutants. Mind can overcome all natural urges and control and change our responses to all urges. But more importantly, mind can discern which urges to amplify and which to mute. This is the reality of the mortal's dual nature. We have animal/bio/material urges and we have spirit delivered urges - BOTH and SIMULTEANEOUSLY!!

Mind must sort, coordinate, integrate, and harmonize these urges. Only the higher two adjutants deliver this capacity - worship and wisdom deliver us from the animal kingdom to the spiritual nature and kingdom of God. The Adjutants do deliver to us the ability to change our response and reaction over time based on experience, consideration, projection, and will. I have termed this skill as "response-ability" on other topics and discussions here.


We are taught that here is "teachable" and "unteachable" mind. But these distinctions have to do with the whether the lower adjutants determine responses or the animal mind learns responses by adjutant teaching/mind learning. But the higher adjutants deliver the ability to "self" teach and learn. Only wisdom allows for self-teaching. Only worship allows for Spirit urges and teaching by revelation. Or so I understand.

Regarding "urge OR urges":

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... &start=all

A review of the topic is a fascinating journey into the mind and being of the mortal.

By responding to the urges of the Spirit, we slowly transform ourselves as we make circle progress and become spiritized by the TA...the tadpole adds flippers and feet and legs as the tail shortens and lungs form. But the mind thusly ministered to and responsive to the Spirit can also transcend itself into a whole new being and life form. We escape the Adjutants' influence and ministry. From the impersonal to the completely personal!

I've always loved paradox and the ability of mind to find its solution. Wisdom, transcendence, and mota all require the ability to penetrate paradox I think.


Some favorite Zen: "Things are not as they appear....and neither are they different!" Perceive and discern that!!


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BB asked:
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"Could you give some feedback on the remarks I made regarding your concept (first post I made in this thread)? It would definitely help me understand you better. Thanks!"

Previously, BB wrote:
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"If I am understanding correctly, based on what you present, adjutant mind is apart from human intellect; [...]"

Hi BB - the idea begins in paper 117 section 5.7 (1286.5):
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"The great circuits of energy, mind, and spirit are never the permanent possessions of ascending personality; [...]" (1286.5, 117:5.7 )

So for us humans, mind seems to be some sort of circuit (or system of circuits) we use during our brief launch-life. The author goes on:
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"In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits and effects its decisions within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry. [...] (1286.5, 117:5.7 )

BB, to me, this sounds like "adjutant mind" is NOT something "apart from human intellect". Instead, I take this literally to mean that for you and me, our intellect somehow "resides in" those "rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits".

I then pointed to David Bohm's surprising description, of "human intelligence" as "perception into" a material-based (bio-neural) experiential memory system. Before looking again at what Bohm wrote, think again about this statement in paper 101 section 6.4,
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"The evolutionary type of knowledge is but the accumulation of protoplasmic memory material; this is the most primitive form of creature consciousness. Wisdom embraces the ideas formulated from protoplasmic memory in process of association and recombination, and such phenomena differentiate human mind from mere animal mind. [...]." ( 1111.8, 101_6_4 )

Now "pause to consider..." what Bohm had to say. From Bohm, page 50,
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"It is clear that thought, considered in this way as the response of memory, is basically mechanical in its order of operation. Either it is a repetition of some previously existent structure drawn from memory, or else it is some combination arrangement and organization of these memories into further structures of ideas and concepts, categories, etc. These combinations may possess a certain kind of novelty resulting from the fortuitous interplay of elements of memory, but it is clear that such novelty is still essentially mechanical (like the new combinations appearing in a kaleidoscope)."

Bohm continues:
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"There is in this mechanical process no inherent reason why the thoughts that arise should be relevant or fitting to the actual situation that evokes them. The perception of whether or not any particular thoughts are relevant or fitting requires the operation of an energy that is not mechanical, an energy that we shall call intelligence. This latter is able to perceive a new order or a new structure, that is not just a modification of what is already known or present in memory. For example, one may be working on a puzzling problem for a long time. Suddenly, in a flash of understanding, one may see the irrelevance of one’s whole way of thinking about the problem, along with a different approach in which all the elements fit in a new order and in a new structure. Clearly, such a flash is essentially an act of perception, rather than a process of thought (a similar notion was discussed in chapter 1), though later it may be expressed in thought. What is involved in this act is perception through the mind of abstract orders and relationships such as identity and difference, separation and connection, necessity and contingency, cause and effect, etc."

(Bohm, "Wholeness and the Implicate Order" (1980), page 50).

So BB, I was just trying to highlight a speculative, UB-derived idea: that each of the so-called "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" (a level of consciousness of the Divine Minister of Salvington, see 36:5.4, page 402.1) might be making possible their distinct and characteristic mode of perception into that "protoplasmic memory material", woven -- by experience and emotion and choice -- into that "bio-neural network of the brain" which the Life Carriers managed to evolve. And that all this might relate to what Bohm called: "an energy that we shall call intelligence". (See Bohm, page 50)

Elsewhere I speculate that, given the necessary genetic similarity of the Sangik siblings, their defining characteristic may not simply have been mere "intellectual capacity", but something much more interesting, some kind of characteristic "mode of perception" into that (brain-based, protoplasmic) capacity.

For a colorful exploration of this, see this 12-page PDF (1.4 MB) "Quivering on the brink"

From the diagram on page 6, "An attempt to symbolize the human condition" (fig. 5)
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"Michael's consort, the Divine Minister of Salvington, provides our first mind system by motivating the organized biochemistry of the Life Carriers with the inspiration of her adjutant circuits. Later, when our sufficient choices and decisions have allowed the Adjuster to weave a new morontia base, this soul becomes available as a new seat for our identity, an improved base of operations for our ascending personality."

thanks for asking!
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This is brilliant analysis, for the most part. I would like to take exception to the diagram figure 2. How did you theorize that the adjutant mind spirits of the Divine Minister actually enter through these synapses? In my opinion it is possible that these are preexisting forces within the arena of consciousness.

The figure five, I would like to compare briefly to many of the Eastern Holistic Therapies, which I am familiar with. Let us consider, the primary distinction that the Urantia Papers make between the unconscious - spiritual receptivity, and the conscious mind of the human intellect. Therefore, it is traditional to model the intake of the seven energies that enter human channels, through the spine, the back of the body.

Further, I do not need to consider the functioning of the seven spirits in my human temple as "separate apartments". I belief that I refine and unify these spirits within my mind, within my adjutant intellect as you say. Certain organs and glands figure three of the human body being likened unto the reservoirs of the residing of the adjutant mind spirits within a person. Purely theoretical.

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Nigel, you've put a lot of thought into this and the research is thoroughly impressive! I appreciate you taking the time to explain in detail and share the idea. I have gotten additional food to consider about mind, now.






nnunn wrote:
BB asked:
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"Could you give some feedback on the remarks I made regarding your concept (first post I made in this thread)? It would definitely help me understand you better. Thanks!"

Previously, BB wrote:
Quote:
"If I am understanding correctly, based on what you present, adjutant mind is apart from human intellect; [...]"

Hi BB - the idea begins in paper 117 section 5.7 (1286.5):
Quote:
"The great circuits of energy, mind, and spirit are never the permanent possessions of ascending personality; [...]" (1286.5, 117:5.7 )

So for us humans, mind seems to be some sort of circuit (or system of circuits) we use during our brief launch-life. The author goes on:
Quote:
"In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits and effects its decisions within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry. [...] (1286.5, 117:5.7 )

BB, to me, this sounds like "adjutant mind" is NOT something "apart from human intellect". Instead, I take this literally to mean that for you and me, our intellect somehow "resides in" those "rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits".

I then pointed to David Bohm's surprising description, of "human intelligence" as "perception into" a material-based (bio-neural) experiential memory system. Before looking again at what Bohm wrote, think again about this statement in paper 101 section 6.4,
Quote:
"The evolutionary type of knowledge is but the accumulation of protoplasmic memory material; this is the most primitive form of creature consciousness. Wisdom embraces the ideas formulated from protoplasmic memory in process of association and recombination, and such phenomena differentiate human mind from mere animal mind. [...]." ( 1111.8, 101_6_4 )

Now "pause to consider..." what Bohm had to say. From Bohm, page 50,
Quote:
"It is clear that thought, considered in this way as the response of memory, is basically mechanical in its order of operation. Either it is a repetition of some previously existent structure drawn from memory, or else it is some combination arrangement and organization of these memories into further structures of ideas and concepts, categories, etc. These combinations may possess a certain kind of novelty resulting from the fortuitous interplay of elements of memory, but it is clear that such novelty is still essentially mechanical (like the new combinations appearing in a kaleidoscope)."

Bohm continues:
Quote:
"There is in this mechanical process no inherent reason why the thoughts that arise should be relevant or fitting to the actual situation that evokes them. The perception of whether or not any particular thoughts are relevant or fitting requires the operation of an energy that is not mechanical, an energy that we shall call intelligence. This latter is able to perceive a new order or a new structure, that is not just a modification of what is already known or present in memory. For example, one may be working on a puzzling problem for a long time. Suddenly, in a flash of understanding, one may see the irrelevance of one’s whole way of thinking about the problem, along with a different approach in which all the elements fit in a new order and in a new structure. Clearly, such a flash is essentially an act of perception, rather than a process of thought (a similar notion was discussed in chapter 1), though later it may be expressed in thought. What is involved in this act is perception through the mind of abstract orders and relationships such as identity and difference, separation and connection, necessity and contingency, cause and effect, etc."

(Bohm, "Wholeness and the Implicate Order" (1980), page 50).

So BB, I was just trying to highlight a speculative, UB-derived idea: that each of the so-called "Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits" (a level of consciousness of the Divine Minister of Salvington, see 36:5.4, page 402.1) might be making possible their distinct and characteristic mode of perception into that "protoplasmic memory material", woven -- by experience and emotion and choice -- into that "bio-neural network of the brain" which the Life Carriers managed to evolve. And that all this might relate to what Bohm called: "an energy that we shall call intelligence". (See Bohm, page 50)

Elsewhere I speculate that, given the necessary genetic similarity of the Sangik siblings, their defining characteristic may not simply have been mere "intellectual capacity", but something much more interesting, some kind of characteristic "mode of perception" into that (brain-based, protoplasmic) capacity.

For a colorful exploration of this, see this 12-page PDF (1.4 MB) "Quivering on the brink"

From the diagram on page 6, "An attempt to symbolize the human condition" (fig. 5)
Quote:
"Michael's consort, the Divine Minister of Salvington, provides our first mind system by motivating the organized biochemistry of the Life Carriers with the inspiration of her adjutant circuits. Later, when our sufficient choices and decisions have allowed the Adjuster to weave a new morontia base, this soul becomes available as a new seat for our identity, an improved base of operations for our ascending personality."

thanks for asking!
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Regarding this playful doc, link: Quivering on the brink,
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This is brilliant analysis, for the most part. I would like to take exception to the diagram figure 2. How did you theorize that the adjutant mind spirits of the Divine Minister actually enter through these synapses?

Sorry for any confusion! I intended the "adjutant entry point" to be the more etheric spiral on the left (yellow block), opening into and including the whole pinkish (sub-conscious) sub-region to the left of our fully conscious and unified "mind arena of choice (111:1.1)". (Could the "vibrancy" of each spiral indicate level of response to an adjutant's "urge"?)

The associated synapses and endocrine subsystem can then be seen as the subtle, psycho-somatic "backend" evolved by the Life Carriers.

The idea is that each such psycho-somatic interface might mediate the distinct "differential urge (36:5.2)" motivated by one of the Adjutants. Thus seven such interfaces, one for each of the Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits?
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Further, I do not need to consider the functioning of the seven spirits in my human temple as "separate apartments". I belief that I refine and unify these spirits within my mind, within my adjutant intellect as you say. [...]

Regarding that unified arena in which we "discover, recognize, interpret and choose" (2094.9, 196:3.10), you might like the last pic at the end of the following pdf :biggrin:

Making Truth Accessible

thanks for your thoughts!
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Nigel,

The clarity of your explanation of the discovery process of Truth as explained in “Making Truth Accessible” is exceptional, but metaphorically and in my view, you end at the entrance to the gate. I submit that Jesus spent much effort and time helping folks climb that seemingly invisible mountain of spirit reality association we tend to avoid, at least as recorded in the Urantia Book, while he spent little effort explaining the path up to the gate.

Put another way, we read, 155:6.13, “When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men’s souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.”

Follow that with 110:2.3 “The Adjuster is not trying to control your thinking, as such, but rather to spiritualize it, to eternalize it. Neither angels nor Adjusters are devoted directly to influencing human thought; that is your exclusive personality prerogative. The Adjusters are dedicated to improving, modifying, adjusting, and co-ordinating your thinking processes; but more especially and specifically they are devoted to the work of building up spiritual counterparts of your careers, morontia transcripts of your true advancing selves, for survival purposes.”

These spiritual counterparts are a result of our willingly transferring our identity to the soul. This is not simply identifying the soul, or even identifying with the soul as we do in our minds, but identifying as our soul, actualizing the reality of our soul through personal experience, 110:2.4. This process enables us to be soul based beings, ever discovering a more spiritual realization of reality than we can possibly discover through mere thinking and analysis, 110:2.6. It is then that we can realize the great difference between having faith and realizing spirit, 101:5.14.

The description implores us to “discover, recognize, interpret and choose”. The first three we do by application of our minds, the last, with our will. “In science, the idea precedes the expression of its realization; in religion, the experience of realization precedes the expression of the idea. There is a vast difference between the evolutionary will-to-believe and the product of enlightened reason, religious insight, and revelation – the will that believes”, 102:3.13. It is that difference I am addressing, and poorly, but it is that difference the Fifth Epochal Revelation is here to promote. So as to your statement, that the revelation is here to connect us with our evolution, I say it is here to illuminate our future equally. I doubt you will disagree.

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