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(341.1) 30:4.11 2. Sleeping Survivors. All mortals of survival status, in the custody of personal guardians of destiny, pass through the portals of natural death and, on the third period, personalize on the mansion worlds. Those accredited beings who have, for any reason, been unable to attain that level of intelligence mastery and endowment of spirituality which would entitle them to personal guardians, cannot thus immediately and directly go to the mansion worlds. Such surviving souls must rest in unconscious sleep until the judgment day of a new epoch, a new dispensation, the coming of a Son of God to call the rolls of the age and adjudicate the realm, and this is the general practice throughout all Nebadon. It was said of Christ Michael that, when he ascended on high at the conclusion of his work on earth, “He led a great multitude of captives.” And these captives were the sleeping survivors from the days of Adam to the day of the Master’s resurrection on Urantia.

Who might fall into this classification? Beings that are in some way mentally challenged and unable to comprehend? Evil or extremely violent, or un-remorseful? Beings unaware of the god? Being that have denied the presence ie...athiests?
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A study of the seven psychic circles of spirit progress, while we are still material and planet of origin natives, reveals that those who penetrate the third circle (as reached through circles 7, 6, 5, and 4 progressively) are given personal guardian angels. Upon mortal death, these souls do not await a dispensational or group re-awakening, but go directly or quickly to the Mansion Worlds. It is unclear by the text who precisely is so defined but all who enter even the first or outer circle of progress (#7) will likely be resurrection candidates and be counted as among the sleeping survivors.

This is not analogous to purgatory or punishment and there is no experience of time for us sleeping survivors. When we awaken it is as if no time had lapsed at all between death and resurrection. As I recall, the resurrection of Jesus was the last such "mass" or dispensational awakening. Most mortals on this world and at this time are in this sleeping survivor category IMO - and no shame attaches to such tadpoles in the spirit (of which I am certain I am also one such). Some may claim to know their "circle" - some of us dub them "circle counters" - but the UB would suggest otherwise. Perhaps others will post some supporting text to this interesting topic and query?

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Yeap Brad is right on all accounts. Only those who attain the 3rd circle awake at this time. IMO almost all people living on the world right now are not 3rd circlers, so everyone is going to be in good company. Really though when you think about what happens when you wake up what is a thousand years or more in sleep compared to living in eternity?? Lol. I mean really it doesn't matter if we are 7th circlers or 3rd circlers.

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Its just amazing, every time I open the book I find it so interesting and always have questions. Thanks for your answer. I have not studied the Circles yet but do look forward to it.


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where do I find information on the circles?


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Paper 110

(1210.6) 110:6.11 As the circles are traversed, the child of material evolution is growing into the mature human of immortal potentiality. The shadowy reality of the embryonic nature of a seventh circler is giving way to the clearer manifestation of the emerging morontia nature of a local universe citizen.

(1210.7) 110:6.12 While it is impossible precisely to define the seven levels, or psychic circles, of human growth, it is permissible to suggest the minimum and maximum limits of these stages of maturity realization:

(1210.8) 110:6.13 The seventh circle. This level is entered when human beings develop the powers of personal choice, individual decision, moral responsibility, and the capacity for the attainment of spiritual individuality. This signifies the united function of the seven adjutant mind-spirits under the direction of the spirit of wisdom, the encircuitment of the mortal creature in the influence of the Holy Spirit, and, on Urantia, the first functioning of the Spirit of Truth, together with the reception of a Thought Adjuster in the mortal mind. Entrance upon the seventh circle constitutes a mortal creature a truly potential citizen of the local universe.

(1210.9) 110:6.14 The third circle. The Adjuster’s work is much more effective after the human ascender attains the third circle and receives a personal seraphic guardian of destiny. While there is no apparent concert of effort between the Adjuster and the seraphic guardian, nonetheless there is to be observed an unmistakable improvement in all phases of cosmic achievement and spiritual development subsequent to the assignment of the personal seraphic attendant. When the third circle is attained, the Adjuster endeavors to morontiaize the mind of man during the remainder of the mortal life span, to make the remaining circles, and achieve the final stage of the divine-human association before natural death dissolves the unique partnership.

(1210.10) 110:6.15 The first circle. The Adjuster cannot, ordinarily, speak directly and immediately with you until you attain the first and final circle of progressive mortal achievement. This level represents the highest possible realization of mind-Adjuster relationship in the human experience prior to the liberation of the evolving morontia soul from the habiliments of the material body. Concerning mind, emotions, and cosmic insight, this achievement of the first psychic circle is the nearest possible approach of material mind and spirit Adjuster in human experience.

(1211.1) 110:6.16 Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels — actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being. And it is this very relationship that makes it forever impossible fully to explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind. These circle attainments are only relatively related to God-consciousness. A seventh or sixth circler can be almost as truly God-knowing — sonship conscious — as a second or first circler, but such lower circle beings are far less conscious of experiential relation to the Supreme Being, universe citizenship. The attainment of these cosmic circles will become a part of the ascenders’ experience on the mansion worlds if they fail of such achievement before natural death.

(1211.2) 110:6.17 The motivation of faith makes experiential the full realization of man’s sonship with God, but action, completion of decisions, is essential to the evolutionary attainment of consciousness of progressive kinship with the cosmic actuality of the Supreme Being. Faith transmutes potentials to actuals in the spiritual world, but potentials become actuals in the finite realms of the Supreme only by and through the realization of choice-experience. But choosing to do the will of God joins spiritual faith to material decisions in personality action and thus supplies a divine and spiritual fulcrum for the more effective functioning of the human and material leverage of God-hunger. Such a wise co-ordination of material and spiritual forces greatly augments both cosmic realization of the Supreme and morontia comprehension of the Paradise Deities.

(1211.3) 110:6.18 The mastery of the cosmic circles is related to the quantitative growth of the morontia soul, the comprehension of supreme meanings. But the qualitative status of this immortal soul is wholly dependent on the grasp of living faith upon the Paradise-potential fact-value that mortal man is a son of the eternal God. Therefore does a seventh circler go on to the mansion worlds to attain further quantitative realization of cosmic growth just as does a second or even a first circler.

(1211.4) 110:6.19 There is only an indirect relation between cosmic-circle attainment and actual spiritual religious experience; such attainments are reciprocal and therefore mutually beneficial. Purely spiritual development may have little to do with planetary material prosperity, but circle attainment always augments the potential of human success and mortal achievement.

(1211.5) 110:6.20 From the seventh to the third circle there occurs increased and unified action of the seven adjutant mind-spirits in the task of weaning the mortal mind from its dependence on the realities of the material life mechanisms preparatory to increased introduction to morontia levels of experience. From the third circle onward the adjutant influence progressively diminishes.

(1211.6) 110:6.21 The seven circles embrace mortal experience extending from the highest purely animal level to the lowest actual contactual morontia level of self-consciousness as a personality experience. The mastery of the first cosmic circle signalizes the attainment of premorontia mortal maturity and marks the termination of the conjoint ministry of the adjutant mind-spirits as an exclusive influence of mind action in the human personality. Beyond the first circle, mind becomes increasingly akin to the intelligence of the morontia stage of evolution, the conjoined ministry of the cosmic mind and the superadjutant endowment of the Creative Spirit of a local universe.


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Also, after an unsuccessful attempt by members of the Sanhedrin to entrap the Master into giving an unpalatable answer to a tricky question, he told the parable about the 2 sons, one of which don't say he would do his father's will but did it anyway. Then he said to the pharisees "even they will get into Heaven before you".

That must surely mean most of the members of the Sanhedrin would become sleeping survivors. Weak belief and ritualistic religious practices aren't enough to catapult a person into the 3rd circle. Maybe especially on a planet visited by a divine son.


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Riktare wrote:
Also, after an unsuccessful attempt by members of the Sanhedrin to entrap the Master into giving an unpalatable answer to a tricky question, he told the parable about the 2 sons, one of which don't say he would do his father's will but did it anyway. Then he said to the pharisees "even they will get into Heaven before you".

That must surely mean most of the members of the Sanhedrin would become sleeping survivors. Weak belief and ritualistic religious practices aren't enough to catapult a person into the 3rd circle. Maybe especially on a planet visited by a divine son.


The kingdom of heaven is not the mansion worlds. You can make it to the mansion worlds and fail to find the kingdom of heaven. You can still die when you get to the mansion worlds. The kingdom of heaven is a dwelling not in the physical sense, but in the spiritual sense. Its a spiritual domain within the minds of men.

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not just third circlers are assigned personal guardians:

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113:2.1 Seraphim are not known as guardians of destiny until such time as they are assigned to the association of a human soul who has realized one or more of three achievements: has made a supreme decision to become Godlike, has entered the third circle, or has been mustered into one of the reserve corps of destiny.


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And before we slumber?

(1244.2) 113:3.1 One of the most important things a destiny guardian does for her mortal subject is to effect a personal co-ordination of the numerous impersonal spirit influences which indwell, surround, and impinge upon the mind and soul of the evolving material creature. Human beings are personalities, and it is exceedingly difficult for nonpersonal spirits and prepersonal entities to make direct contact with such highly material and discretely personal minds. In the ministry of the guarding angel all of these influences are more or less unified and made more nearly appreciable by the expanding moral nature of the evolving human personality.

(1244.3) 113:3.2 More especially can and does this seraphic guardian correlate the manifold agencies and influences of the Infinite Spirit, ranging from the domains of the physical controllers and the adjutant mind-spirits up to the Holy Spirit of the Divine Minister and to the Omnipresent Spirit presence of the Paradise Third Source and Center. Having thus unified and made more personal these vast ministries of the Infinite Spirit, the seraphim then undertakes to correlate this integrated influence of the Conjoint Actor with the spirit presences of the Father and the Son.

(1244.4) 113:3.3 The Adjuster is the presence of the Father; the Spirit of Truth, the presence of the Sons. These divine endowments are unified and co-ordinated on the lower levels of human spiritual experience by the ministry of the guardian seraphim. The angelic servers are gifted in combining the love of the Father and the mercy of the Son in their ministry to mortal creatures.

(1244.5) 113:3.4 And herein is revealed the reason why the seraphic guardian eventually becomes the personal custodian of the mind patterns, memory formulas, and soul realities of the mortal survivor during that interval between physical death and morontia resurrection. None but the ministering children of the Infinite Spirit could thus function in behalf of the human creature during this phase of transition from one level of the universe to another and higher level. Even when you engage in your terminal transition slumber, when you pass from time to eternity, a high supernaphim likewise shares the transit with you as the custodian of creature identity and the surety of personal integrity.

(1244.6) 113:3.5 On the spiritual level, seraphim make personal many otherwise impersonal and prepersonal ministries of the universe; they are co-ordinators. On the intellectual level they are the correlators of mind and morontia; they are interpreters. And on the physical level they manipulate terrestrial environment through their liaison with the Master Physical Controllers and through the co-operative ministry of the midway creatures.


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Really though when you think about what happens when you wake up what is a thousand years or more in sleep compared to living in eternity?


When I wake maybe I'll be beautiful . Like sleeping beauty , my beauty sleep lol


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boy, I feel like an idiot, after I joked about this my brother dies, he was cremated today.
I hope he felt no pain. He went in his sleep they said. Just wish someone was with him when he died. Sure wish there was a comforting person on the other side for him.. But sleep is good too I guess.


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Just wait till he wakes up and there you will be, right beside him. Best. Time. EVER!


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Something to remember even a 1st circler has to die and get resurrected just like a 7th circler. The authors says there will be no difference for us if we were to wake up 5 days or 5 thousand years after we die. Once we wake up we have all eternity!! As said already what is 5 thousand years compared to eternity?!

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