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I also have had some interest in prophecy and prophetic events that have already come to pass. I don’t take much stock in the book of Revelation, as when you read it in the original Greek it falls apart. I have found that the Hebrew renderings of Daniel, Isaiah, and some of the Minor Prophets yield some pretty good stuff. I would love to discuss some of these things with you; maybe we could start another thread. I’ll let you decide on that one.


I agree with you on the Old testament stuff. It seemed like John was adding to what Daniel wrote. But in UB it does say that John was also Shown heavenly futuristic stuff. I've been re-reading This Book of Enoch stuff that sevens brought up and claimed is a prophesy in it’s End parts of prediction. I found it pretty interesting especially since the UB talks well of it also being one of Jesus’’ favorite texts. It was written in Hebrew about 300 BC. It does remind me of the quality of the OT texts of Daniel, Isaiah, and some of the Minor Prophets.

I believe it was at the "Council at Nicea" where the Book of Enoch got thrown out along with a lot of other worth while scripture. Luckily some in the opposition saved this worth while scripture from being almost completely destroyed. The council screwed up. Thank God. They missed the Dead Sea Scrolls found around 1733 and one copy of Enoch in Ethiopia that was found later. All this after they burned it's readers as heretics and every known copy in existence trying to stamp it out of existence.

Richard Laurence, LL.D., Archbishop of Cashel, Late Professor of Hebrew in the University of Oxford, 1882 translated The Book of Enoch while in the company of his colleague venerable John Henry Cardinal Newman who was well known his balance of intellectual acumen and humble faith.

Here’s the link to it from Coop. I also found the same link on sevens site. Enjoy!

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/1-Enoch.htm

Here’s the link to the thread this came from.
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http://forums.truthbook.com/viewtopic.php?t=1899&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

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Here’s an interesting side bar though, the book of Macabees was written circa first century BC.


I love the book of Macabees. It’s like the last hurrah of the Jewish chosen People of God. When Macabee brought them back to their true faith and established the kingdom of Israel for the last time before complete domination until the coming of Christ and His Life saving message of Salvation.

Thank You Alethia for your sharing of your personal spiritual experience.

Peace be with all who enter this site. :smile:

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I was at a purely secular event -- a groundbreaking ceremony for a Gold's Gym. It's significance to me was that the developer chose to invest in not only the building but in the operation of this business in a decaying and crime ridden area of the city.

A clergy member from an African American church in that city began the ceremony with a bit of a sermon and a prayer. His sermon will remain with me forever.

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"I look around and see obvious signs of wealth by the business suits I see here, " he said. "And I see obvious signs of aging from the gray and white hair in our midsts. Let me congratulate you on your well earned success. It's great you have accumulated so much that you may leave a legacy of that wealth to your children and grandchildren. But I don't want to be like you. I want to die empty."

Die empty? I have some gray hairs, white beard but I ain't rich. That thought wasn't too appealing to me. I've heard about those Lotto winners that are beset by personal problems after winning. I'd like to try that out sometime to see if I could handle it.

But, as the preacher said, "to die empty means to live each day like its your last one left on earth. It means to exit this world with nothing but the memory that you gave this life everything you've got."

And so I promised myself that I would never get caught off guard in any End Times Prophesy scenario. Whatever be will be. I'm just going to make sure there aint nothing left in my tank when that day comes.

Because then, when I show up at my next residence, my new neighbors will say, "We're so glad you came!"

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Amen Tramp! Amen !

I hope I can do the same. It's certainly a worth while cause! Live right, Live Long, Live complete! :smile:

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Do you really need a prophet to tell you that greed will destroy the ability of industry to be a sane replacement to war?


Nope! That’s as plain as the nose on my face.

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Personally, I could care less about the hobbies people choose to indulge in and to me all this dusting off of ancient text is Indiana Jones story telling.


Because of certain texts I came across recently in TUB and the enthusiasm of several posters, I’m paying a little more attention right now. Like this one:

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P.1915 - §3 "And now concerning the travail of Jerusalem, about which I have spoken to you, even this generation will not pass away until my words are fulfilled; but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near.


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What living truth is there to be found in a re-written history?


I agree with you. None. That goes with out saying. But there may be some insight to the Truth we are living in right Now. Like if you consider TUB rewritten history. It certainly is an impetus for me to live more spiritually. Each day.

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I guess the quote from Page 1070 and the rest of "Sacred and Profane History" did not make the same point to others as it did to me - that the Old Testament is fabricated history....and that the New Testament is corrupted by the attachment of the Old to the New.


I agree. You’re right. I get that too. But … well no buts let me show you living truth in action:

Look how the uplifting words of TUB talking about the problems of what we’re being taught about the Old and New Testaments. BUT notice how it’s uplifting. Notice how Jak, Mr. Shakita, Myself and are moved by the TUB teaching of the Personal living religion of Spirit. Those ideas, those words those concepts are alive in us and they live in us as we share them with others. And as we share with others we see this religion of Spirit is alive in others who see the same problems with the Old and New testaments that you and I do. And without ever seeing TUB they are alive in the religion of Spirit and they see the unity of us all regardless of our backgrounds in this Spirit of Truth. Check out these different sites and how people of different backgrounds are battling those who keep us mired in the dead truths of the pasts. And if you look around on these sites you’ll notice they recognize just like you how

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….greed will destroy the ability of industry to be a sane replacement to war?
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…. know when that way of life is under attack by "profets".


Does The Atonement Doctrine Make Sense?
http://forums.truthbook.com/viewtopic.php?t=1823&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Trautman says change on 'pro multis' may confuse teaching that Christ died for all
http://ncrcafe.org/node/815

Justice is done: Why doesn't it feel like it?
http://ncrcafe.org/node/799#new

Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2980&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=70


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We all have a mission we can choose. Mine is to mention that there is an interesting book called "The Urantia Book" available for reading and perusing pleasure.


Amen! Mine is to this also and in addition to share the Truths contained within the book with those who would reject the book.

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Interesting to note that the only "promotion" of the UB is in increasing the amount of verbiage being tossed in front of Michael of Nebadon's message of life.


This certainly has some truth to it BUT there is much more going on than that to spread the message of the book. And I sense we may be on the verge of a big change and if that is the case we’ll have to be careful that we don’t corrupt and crystallize the living truth shown us in TUB into dead dogma in the interest of wider circulation like we did with the ancient scriptures of God’s prior revelations into the crystallized texts of the Old and New Testaments you described.

So for now briefly I am taking a look at the prophesies of Enoch one of the favorites texts of Jesus. :smile:

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All things said & done , ... the Holy Bible is still the # 1 Selling Book . & It HAS , Does And Will continue to be a great Inspiration of the Spirit of the word made flesh in Jesus . It has Changed many Lives for the Good , by thee '' Good News '' Within it . There are more Pearls of wisdom within it , Than Error .

Much of Johns revelation was lost . Much of it has Happened ages ago ,
As well as much is ... today , ... its End times senerios may have been
a warning .... to Change the Hateing / War/s ... into the Light of Truth
Into PEACE . & Brotherhood . No one Claims to want War/s ... But yet they Continue like a bad dream . Awake from the Dream .. & Give Peace A Chance . What If they had a War & Nobody Came ? Make Love NOT War . O:) Our Character Is Our Fate . :wink:

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King James Version (KJV) Revelation - Chapter 21

Rev 21:1 ¶ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 21:9 ¶ And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 ¶ And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


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I would assert that prophecy is the maker of fools and unbalanced hysterics.

Each year since the death of Jesus there has been a movement, limited or widespread, pronouncing that his return is imminent, often with a specific date attached. Without exception, they have all ended the same way. Believers walk away wondering how they could have been so misled. Purporters fade into the background and take their place in the long line of former prophets.

In the past, I have found myself caught up in the excitement of a proclaimed event on the verge of becoming a reality. This is a very disruptive condition to find one's self in. Along with believing that this spectacular thing is going to happen soon, one also has the perspective that everyone else doesn't know what you know. It creates a 'club' of those who 'know' to the exclusion of those who don't - along with a feeling of prestige because of this special knowlege. The idea of the prophecy can grow to occupy one's every waking moment.

The Urantia Book teaches us that we are to walk with responsibility toward our mental, physical and spiritual well being along with a sense of connectedness and love for those around us. Preparing to survive Armeggedon or preparing to be one of the chosen few to survive the last judgement hardly does those things. In fact, investing in prophecy to govern one's life direction pulls us away from our fellows and withdraws us from the workings of the society we live in. One can become a fringe element while everyone walks past, pitying the poor lunatic.

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

Despite our best efforts to the contrary, our only option is to live in this present moment. We can plan for the future and we can remember the past. But the future holds more than we can plan for in the long term and the past cannot be revisited, only remembered and learned from. The lessons of our lives are to be used in the present and in line with the will of the Father.

I don't know about you, but for me doing the will of the Father in the present is quite challenging enough. Worrying about when and what some prophecy says is going to happen is an expenditure of mental and emotional effort that does little more than sap my strength from continuing my maddeningly slow spiritual development - not to mention caring for my fellows and making a living.

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Amen William. You're preaching to the choir here.

On another note however, I would like to discuss what you said:
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I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?


A few months ago, I ran into a complete stranger with whom I struck up a conversation for reasons totally unknown to me. As she was leaving she said, "Don't ever let your kids hitch a ride from another kid." Little did she know that my two sons were hitching a ride home from college from another student in just a few days. Somehow I knew that her message was prophetic so I decided to pick them up myself. Later, I found out that the student they were to get a ride with was in a serious accident and it was purportedly his fault. This same individual later went on to get a ticket for speeding and following too close to another car.

Now, I think this women was sent to me by God for a purpose. Was she an angel or just an average obedient, God loving person asked to deliver a prophesy? I don't know; but, it sent shivers down my spine and my sons and I are a lot better for it.

So, I think that there are prophets everywhere and it's only the Spirit of Truth that can determine whether or not they are false prophets or genuine. I'd venture a guess that anyone prognosticating doomsday scenarios, vengeful gods, the need for repentance, the coming of the Messiah and offering panacean formulas need skepticism.

Yet, I am certain that there are prophets among us, teachers and wise ones that can shine a light for those stumbling around in the darkness.
You yourself may be a prophet.

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I would assert that prophecy is the maker of fools and unbalanced hysterics.

Each year since the death of Jesus there has been a movement, limited or widespread, pronouncing that his return is imminent, often with a specific date attached. Without exception, they have all ended the same way. Believers walk away wondering how they could have been so misled. Purporters fade into the background and take their place in the long line of former prophets.

In the past, I have found myself caught up in the excitement of a proclaimed event on the verge of becoming a reality. This is a very disruptive condition to find one's self in. Along with believing that this spectacular thing is going to happen soon, one also has the perspective that everyone else doesn't know what you know. It creates a 'club' of those who 'know' to the exclusion of those who don't - along with a feeling of prestige because of this special knowlege. The idea of the prophecy can grow to occupy one's every waking moment.

The Urantia Book teaches us that we are to walk with responsibility toward our mental, physical and spiritual well being along with a sense of connectedness and love for those around us. Preparing to survive Armeggedon or preparing to be one of the chosen few to survive the last judgement hardly does those things. In fact, investing in prophecy to govern one's life direction pulls us away from our fellows and withdraws us from the workings of the society we live in. One can become a fringe element while everyone walks past, pitying the poor lunatic.

I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?

Despite our best efforts to the contrary, our only option is to live in this present moment. We can plan for the future and we can remember the past. But the future holds more than we can plan for in the long term and the past cannot be revisited, only remembered and learned from. The lessons of our lives are to be used in the present and in line with the will of the Father.

I don't know about you, but for me doing the will of the Father in the present is quite challenging enough. Worrying about when and what some prophecy says is going to happen is an expenditure of mental and emotional effort that does little more than sap my strength from continuing my maddeningly slow spiritual development - not to mention caring for my fellows and making a living.

William


Amen Bro Artguy!!!!

From the UB - "Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny."

UNREVEALED. Thank God it is "unrevealed" 8) Gives us all an opportunity to participate in the adventure of co-creating it.

Here's the problem du jour, though. "Fools and unbalanced hysterics" are seeking positions of POWER and POLITICS and are arming themselves with pharisees and psychos in order to resist any challenge to their "authority". On a small town website this morning, a NON-resident planted the seed that a "bounty" should be issued for "liberals". And there is NO one who is enforcing the law of "inciting a riot" against such a call to murder. Even more insane, I have no idea what that person means when he says "liberal"....I'm serious, I really do NOT know.

If the 20th century teaches us nothing else, it should at least teach us to stop worshipping psychos and, even worse, leaving them in charge of maintaining "civilization".


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I feel I have been advantaged by prophecy in regards to the ancient places. All I know that where ever Eden is mentioned propheticaly in the books change is attached for mankind.. I know there are scriptures where the Father mentiones unfinished business of the ancient places.

I made a declaration on the 4th of July even though there are no UFOs or anything however in the seventh part of Enochs 10 week judgment timeline Dalamatia, Dilmun and Bablot was discovered, our most ancient places. When I made the declaration on 4th July I found out later in Enoch that he was born in the same time period in the first week that the declaration started.

I think one has keep an open mind with prophecy. All I know transitional change is very much deeper than just Jesus coming back on some UFO.

In Enoch, God says that anything hidden will be all revealed. In other words nothing will be kept that is hidden. I would think transitional change would mean discovery of our past and truth. Just by the discovery of these places is evidence to me that everything that is hidden is being revealed for a purpose. We are finding these places for a specific reason.

I think prophecy is worthwhile. This whole Eden experience is nothing but a beforehand experience in faith and the results of all the discoveries prove that prophecy is very much alive.

The prophecy of any worthwhile is about transitional change and I think these ancient places points directly to prophecied change.

Actualy I think the UB is a result of prophecy! The Book of life, the new book, the book written in the hands of angels and any judgment will be made upon the standards of the new book.

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I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?


I dont know I feel I have been advantaged by prophecy in regards to the ancient places.


Well, I guess the talking points are going to be hammered home - it's all about ME ME ME.

Real religion is not "prophecy".

Here's a prophecy for you all - those who were hoping to benefit from a war between "christianity" and "islam" will be held accountable for their crimes.


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No but it can be part of religion. I would nt worry about judgment on main religions, who are we to judge.

Well if the signs are appearing IId rather say something than do nothing becuase of some bias or for fear of what others may think.
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All things said & done , ... the Holy Bible is still the # 1 Selling Book .

& It HAS , Does And Will continue to be a great Inspiration of the
Spirit of the word made flesh in Jesus . It has Changed many Lives for the Good , by thee '' Good News '' Within it .

There are more Pearls of wisdom within it , Than Error .

Coop That’s so true. It’s what we’ve done to the Bible as religious teachers that has killed the living truth that is share with us within it’s pages.
By the same token it is when that same living truth is awakened in us that we can share it with others and “SEE” it the revelation of God that is passed down to us through the centuries in the words of the Bible.

By the evolution of our perception the lessons of living truth in the Bible are Made New again. And the crystallized dogma of a dead and dying perception that is exposed by those here with a spiritual eye for the liberation of those whose faith is still being bound and strangled by those dying perceptions of the past.

So I see no conflict here on this thread, just two points of view of a new revelation.
One that the words of past in the Bible were turned into chains and bounds of servitude and suffering to be heaped upon us as a yoke of oppression.
Two, that we are liberated when those Bounds of Servitude and Yokes of Oppression are shed like a dead skin as a new and living faith emerges.

The true meaning within those ancient Biblical texts are made clear in the new understanding of the Living God and the brotherhood and sisterhood, sonship and daughtership of humankind in God. There is recognition that the Truth of God is all around us and through us in the immense magnificence of God’s creation.

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I am trying to recall a single instance of anyone being in an advantagious position, spirituallly or in life in general because they heeded a prophecy. Does anyone out there know of an instance where this has happened?


Noah - In the Bible, Noah prophesized the flood due to revelation from God.

In TUB - Noah prophesized (predicted the logical sequence of events - to the extent of predicting a flood of the nature that no one had ever seen before including himself) the flood due to his studies of previous flooding that occurred in his valley. He and his family were saved on the houseboat he prepared.

Lot - In the Bible saved by angels prophesying the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
In science - recent studies of the presumed sites of the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indicate a large amount of "brimstone" probably rained down on the site from a ancient volcanic blast from some distance away.

Like in Noah's case we see often prophesy is the result of logical outcomes. But those outcomes are or can be influenced by our decisions.

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I don't know about you, but for me doing the will of the Father in the present is quite challenging enough. Worrying about when and what some prophecy says is going to happen is an expenditure of mental and emotional effort that does little more than sap my strength from continuing my maddeningly slow spiritual development - not to mention caring for my fellows and making a living.


I think you are echoing Fetish’s sentiments. With ggod reason. I agree with you. Undo worrying about what is going to happen is a watse of energy.

But prusueing a scientific interest in a connection between a past prophesy and present connection in the normal pursuit of your work or interest is OK.

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No but it can be apart of religion.


They’re both right.

Prophesy has it’s place. But we should not worry about when, where, how, or why is it going to occur. We should follow the will of God regardless of where, when, how or why we exist. And let prophesy take it’s course.

A lot of prophsey just seems to be to be able to see what’s going to happen following the logical course of events. For example this profesy of Fetish’s.

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Here's a prophecy for you all - those who were hoping to benefit from a war between "christianity" and "islam" will be held accountable for their crimes.

But as I mentioned before those prophesied outcomes are or can be influenced by our decisions. Like Iris’s:

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"Don't ever let your kids hitch a ride from another kid."

Now, I think this women was sent to me by God for a purpose. Was she an angel or just an average obedient, God loving person asked to deliver a prophesy? I don't know; but, it sent shivers down my spine and my sons and I are a lot better for it.


Now Fetish’s prophesy will take a little more effort than Iris’s to prevent from happening (a war between "christianity" and "islam") but it would certainly be worth the effort.

Sevens effort is a little more in the scientific area. His Faith is not determined by the veracity of the outcomes of his research. His research is more in the interest of the search of knowledge. In reviewing his material one is reminded of how limited our knowledge of the History of Humankind is. Where as fifty years ago It was hard to find anyone believing that civilization existed more than 4,000 years ago. Well now most repeatable archeologist won’t profess to civilization existing much more than 8,000 years ago. And Sevens is on a quest to find connections that may lead to a hard scientific discovery that pushes that figure dramatically backwards. Even unto the point where the civilization of Dalmatia that TUB existed 500,000 years ago might be discovered. He’s filled with the spirit of discovery. I mean filled. His excitement rubs of on me and pulls me into his quest.

One small part of his adventure has to do with connections between myths, lore, legend and reality. It is in this area that we encounter his connections to prophecies. He feels a strong connection between the prophecies of Enoch and our present time. So he’s investigating. Searching for combinations of connections that may give him a new understanding of these connections.

So it seems IMHO to get down to at least two things.
1. Not that prophecies exist. They do.
2. But rather how much time and energy and concern should one place in a prophesy?
And that question seems to be answered on an individual basis.

So for me personally it’s this part of TUB that has given me impetus to look into sevens connections.

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P.1915 - §3 … but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man, no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise regarding the ripening of an age; you should be alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near. Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new visitation draws near.


And this is an interesting part of TUB from another thread about how the Imports of Time affect Prophesy.

P.315 - §2 3. The Import of Time. Time is the one universal endowment of all will creatures; it is the "one talent" intrusted to all intelligent beings. You all have time in which to insure your survival; and time is fatally squandered only when it is buried in neglect, when you fail so to utilize it as to make certain the survival of your soul. Failure to improve one's time to the fullest extent possible does not impose fatal penalties; it merely retards the pilgrim of time in his journey of ascent. If survival is gained, all other losses can be retrieved.

P.315 - §3 In the assignment of trusts the counsel of the Imports of Time is invaluable. Time is a vital factor in everything this side of Havona and Paradise. In the final judgment before the Ancients of Days, time is an element of evidence. The Imports of Time must always afford testimony to show that every defendant has had ample time for making decisions, achieving choice.

P.315 - §4 These time evaluators are also the secret of prophecy; they portray the element of time which will be required in the completion of any undertaking, and they are just as dependable as indicators as are the frandalanks and chronoldeks of other living orders. The Gods foresee, hence foreknow; but the ascendant authorities of the universes of time must consult the Imports of Time to be able to forecast events of the future.

P.315 - §5 You will first encounter these beings on the mansion worlds, and they will there instruct you in the advantageous use of that which you call "time," both in its positive employment, work, and in its negative utilization, rest. Both uses of time are important.

Thank You are for your valuable input. I like it. Look forward to more here and on other threads. I'm blessed to have brothers and sisters like you around me. Bless you all. :smile:

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Prophecy and the end of times/Judgment day, is seen as a very major event to some other faiths though isnt it, especially Islam and maybe Christianity, im not sure about that faith... But for them its a time when the soul will be weighed and judged for the very last time before being sentenced to an fixed term in Hell or an eternity in Paradise. So they prepare themselves not only for their own deaths but for their resurrections too, in the future, they do take it very seriously. I dont think its all about preparing for and surviving destruction and catacalysm.... not really, because there is nothing we can do to prevent that, suppose we should just prepare for our own end of times, when we eventually pass over. Depends what faith you follow really, its a big deal to some. Prophecy is an important part of any faith book or revelation, every prophet, even Jesus spoke of the future.....im sure the Urantia book is full of far seeing events too, the emergence of the M.sons for one, is that not a prophecy...

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God's Peac be with you Sarah.

Good Points! You wrote:

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But for them its a time when the soul will be weighed and judged for the very last time before being sentenced to an fixed term in Hell or an eternity in Paradise. So they prepare themselves not only for their own deaths but for their resurrections too, in the future, they do take it very seriously. I dont think its all about preparing for and surviving destruction and catacalysm.... not really, because there is nothing we can do to prevent that, suppose we should just prepare for our own end of times, when we eventually pass over.

Tasneem, this part of TUB addresses just that point you bring up of being prepared for judgement regardless of the TIME.

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P.1915 - §4 "But what is the significance of this teaching having to do with the coming of the Sons of God? Do you not perceive that, when each of you is called to lay down his life struggle and pass through the portal of death, you stand in the immediate presence of judgment, and that you are face to face with the facts of a new dispensation of service in the eternal plan of the infinite Father? What the whole world must face as a literal fact at the end of an age, you, as individuals, must each most certainly face as a personal experience when you reach the end of your natural life and thereby pass on to be confronted with the conditions and demands inherent in the next revelation of the eternal progression of the Father's kingdom."


Sarah do you have any quotes from the Koran or other book demonstrating this?

Thanks Sarah! May the Peace of God be with you.

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Thanks for those kind words I feel encouraged. Your right when you say Im trying to find truth. Thats is exactly right, just simply trying to find the truth behind the matter.

It was Robert Sarmasts quest of finding Eden which was the great inspiration for me, enough for me to again look at all the books of knowledge in a simple narrow search for Eden. It was when I found Eden I also found much information attached with some judgment or change.

I feel a desire to document everything including interpretations as I felt there is really something going on in relation to the ancient foundations of mankind. I feel man has to know and made to be aware of the possibilities as it occurs. That is faith journey in prophecy, trust in scripts on the run exposing the knowledge or discoveries to all kinds of thoughts and ideas agree or not.


Mind you everything is released as the research continues as I felt it was very important not to hold information back becuase of some inner self motive.

Also I feel if there is something happening that God would need someone to release information as it occurs. The purpose of this is to involve man in the last mystery, thats why its the mystery of man. Man and God relationship is the great man mystery.

However on the other hand if Im wrong, Im wrong no big deal and as a result this research will simply be an archive. On the other hand I still feel that Enochs Judgment is still in the process simply supported by the discoveries of 3 important locations on that day in the seventh part. To me that was a massive sign and is completely consistant with the prophecy of Enoch. All that is hidden shall be revealed which is exactly what is happening today.

In this experience of prophecy I feel that each day is different and something always new turns up or is discovered that have relavance to the scenario. Becuase of this occurance I feel more and more confident through my faith in the Father that a great manifestation is occuring.

Anyway thats my feel about the whole thing, there is nothing dogmatic about it, its just a simple faith journey and working with the prophetical words of the prophets no matter who they are, where ever truth emanates from.

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Sarah Sez :arrow:
Prophecy is an important part of any faith book or revelation, every orophet, even Jesus spoke of the future.....im sure the Urantia book is full of far seeing events too, the emergence of the M.sons for one, is that not a prophecy... :wink:
Love Sarah xxxx

Sarah ~ This thot also came to my mind this mornin . Let us not forget that the UB Contains Several Prophesy's ... The Coming of a new Dawn of the Age of Light & Life In the realization & Fullfillment of the Fatherhood of GOD & The Brotherhood of Man . A Global United sovereign Govt . A New World Order . The Prophetic coming of a Mel . A Teacher son , Avonal , And thee Mon JC . the Son of GOD & The Son of Man , Jesus / Michael . The Rapture , .. Any MO ... ?

Scientists Give Prophetic Predictions about our Global Warming and what
our plant will be like in the future , ... If we dont soon wake up an smell the Coffee / And stop the Evironmental Pollutions . SOON Er Than Late R.

Anywho I have to go for my morning Power Walking , ... I'll be Back , ... Is my Prophetic Prediction . :idea:
Bro Joer & Sevens , .. & All . A few Links on Enoch . & His Book . I still have yet to read it all , .. yet .

One of the most important apocryphic works of the Second Temple Period is Enoch. According to the biblical narrative (Genesis 5:21-24), Enoch lived only 365 years (far less than the other patriarchs in the period before the Flood). Enoch "walked with God; then he was no more for God took him."

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scr ... enoch.html
http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/ ... /enoch.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_(ancestor_of_Noah)#Views_of_Enoch

The Book of Enoch
http://www.carm.org/lost/enoch.htm

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The Coming of Melchizedek
11Q13
Col.2

(...) And concerning what Scripture says, "In this year of Jubilee you shall return, everyone f you, to your property" (Lev. 25;13) And what is also written; "And this is the manner of the remission; every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it of a neighbor who is a member of the community, because God's remission has been proclaimed" (Deut.15;2) the interpretation is that it applies to the Last Days and concerns the captives, just as Isaiah said: "To proclaim the Jubilee to the captives" (Isa. 61;1) (...) just as (...) and from the inheritance of Melchizedek, for (... Melchizedek) , who will return them to what is rightfully theirs. He will proclaim to them the Jubilee, thereby releasing them from the debt of all their sins. He shall proclaim this decree in the first week of the jubilee period that follows nine jubilee periods.

Then the "Day of Atonement" shall follow after the tenth jubilee period, when he shall atone for all the Sons of Light, and the people who are predestined to Melchizedek. (...) upon them (...) For this is the time decreed for the "Year of Melchizedek`s favor", and by his might he will judge God's holy ones and so establish a righteous kingdom, as it is written about him in the Songs of David ; "A godlike being has taken his place in the council of God; in the midst of divine beings he holds judgement"

(Ps. 82;1). Scripture also says about him ; "Over it take your seat in the highest heaven; A divine being will judge the peoples" (Ps. 7;7-8) Concerning what scripture says; "How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality with the wicked? Selah" (Ps. 82;2) ,the interpretation applies to Belial and the spirits predestined to him, because all of them have rebelled, turning from God's precepts and so becoming utterly wicked. Therefore Melchizedek will thoroughly prosecute the vengeance required by God's statutes. Also, he will deliver all the captives from the power of Belial, and from the power of all the spirits destined to him. Allied with him will be all the "righteous divine beings"(Isa. 61;3).

(The ...) is that whi(ch ...all) the divine beings. The visitation is the Day of Salvation that He has decreed through Isaiah the prophet concerning all the captives, inasmuch as Scripture says, "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace, who brings good news, who announces salvation, who says to Zion "Your divine being reigns"." (Isa. 52;7) This scriptures interpretation : "the mountains" are the prophets, they who were sent to proclaim God's truth and to prophesy to all Israel. "The messengers" is the Anointed of the spirit, of whom Daniel spoke; "After the sixty-two weeks, an Anointed shall be cut off" (Dan. 9;26) The "messenger who brings good news, who announces Salvation" is the one of whom it is written; "to proclaim the year of the LORD`s favor, the day of the vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn" (Isa. 61;2)

This scripture's interpretation: he is to instruct them about all the periods of history for eternity (... and in the statutes) of the truth. (...) (.... dominion) that passes from Belial and returns to the Sons of Light (....) (...) by the judgment of God, just as t is written concerning him; "who says to Zion "Your divine being reigns" (Isa. 52;7) "Zion" is the congregation of all the sons of righteousness, who uphold the covenant and turn from walking in the way of the people. "Your divine being" is Melchizedek, who will deliver them from the power of Belial. Concerning what scripture says, "Then you shall have the trumpet sounded loud; in the seventh month . . . " (Lev. 25;9)


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