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The Urantia Book has very little to say about nature, or man's relationship with the natural world. A lot about evolution, but not anything like the current popular discussions regarding man and nature, and the relationship between the two...unless I missed something, which is entirely possible.

I wanted to see if there was any kind of references about water. Sarah's post on the previous thread reminded me of Dr Masaru Emoto, and his wonderful book about "The Hidden Messages In Water."

The Urantia Book uses the term "energy-matter" quite a bit, making that relation very clear. To paraphrase: "Energy-matter" dominates the material cosmos, all except for personality, which is dominated (hopefully) by Spirit -and, one might think - it can in turn dominate matter.

And now of course, we do know that energy and matter are simply the same thing, only at different frequencies. In fact quantum science tells us that we do actually shape what we see, as the observed is directly affected by the observer. We literally do create our world. And if we are lucky enough to have turned our minds towards doing the Father's will, we can make truly wonderful things happen because we deliberately co-create with him.

So I want to believe it really is true that our thoughts can beneficially affect water. It is a pretty compelling demonstration in Dr Emoto's book.

I think that the Mother Spirit has everything to do with this, as she permeates all of energy-matter, and her patterns are the patterns of
Etenity...think Love, see Love.

Musings on a snowy evening in Denver - 10 more inches today...speaking of water and beauty!!!

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Interesting....

I don't think I have seen anyone here talk about the passage in the Book that said that as the human race reaches closer to the Era of Light and Life that the earth would become more stabilized and we would see less earthquakes and Volcano eruptions and so-on.

Which implys that if we move out of harmony with the forces of light the earth would experience many kinds of disturbances.

It may be a interesting topic ....lets see what unfolds here


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Ive only seen the Urantia book talk about early man and how they used water for worship, ritual ablution and to ward off evil spirits ..etc

I just thought i would type in a few links about Dr Emoto just incase someone has never heard of him.... O:)

http://www.wellnessgoods.com/messages.asp

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug ... water.html

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/nov1/cwater.htm

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"There is a word which forms the most beautiful crystal and is most helpful in cleaning up the natural waters of the world? According to Dr. Emoto, it is the word that mean “love and thankfulness”—in Japanese, “kan-sha”. He says, “There is a special combination that seems to be perfect for this, which is love plus the combination of thanks and appreciation reflected in the English word gratitude. Just one of these is not enough. Love needs to be based in gratitude, and gratitude needs to be based in love. These two words together create the most important vibration. And it is even more important that we understand the value of these words… In my understanding of the concept of yin and yang, in the same way that there is one O and two Hs (as in H2O), we also need one part yang/love to two parts yin/gratitude, in order to come to a place of balance in the equation…”

I heard a Sufi teacher say once, “Gratitude opens many doors.” Mysticism and the science come together in Dr. Emoto’s interesting research on water. "


Image Love and gratitude....

I would love to see some words out of the Urantia book formed into crystals for curiosity.... I havent seen the name 'Jesus' in any of his photos... maybe they are not allowed to show...


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Thank you for this very interesting topic maryjo and thanks for all the info on the good doctor's work tasneem. This was very uplifting information to read. I look forward to seeing more from his research and any research in general trying to bridge the physical with the mind and spirit levels of reality.

I'd like to think that belief or faith is a type of conviction of the mind that taps into the power/energy of the spiritual realm that subtly influences our physical environment. Maybe there is an equal force of negative and positive thought patterns balancing the world, but eventually in a future age, the thought patterns of everyone will more easily align with positive intentions as humanity works out its conflicts bringing about the era of light and life.

I'm going to go drink a glass of world spiritual growth now lol.

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Interesting....

I don't think I have seen anyone here talk about the passage in the Book that said that as the human race reaches closer to the Era of Light and Life that the earth would become more stabilized and we would see less earthquakes and Volcano eruptions and so-on.

Which implys that if we move out of harmony with the forces of light the earth would experience many kinds of disturbances.

It may be a interesting topic ....lets see what unfolds here


The Life Carriers did not channel the life force onto this planet until the planet reached a certain level of stabilization - and even then, the unstable forces came perilously close to wiping out the life planting. It's quite the balancing act between how much instability enhances progress vs. the tipping point for destroying life.

It is noted that the salt water of the dawn years is what makes up about 98% of our life form body. So as ego-satisfying as the idea (non-UB I might add) is that we can control water with our thoughts, I tend to wonder if we, as water beings, and water itself, aren't really being manipulated in the same way by gravity, ultimatonic spins, etc. and we are viewing the occassional glimpse of sychronicity as control by a human mind...

Sort of like the idea that is still, as unbelievable as it seems, so prevalent that "astrology" is a real science. That concept of the whole universe rotating around ME ME ME will not go away until a person has the first primitive "religious" experience of unselfishness.

But carry on, there's potential for a Vegas act at the fountains of Bellagio with this one - once "reproducibility" is achieved 8)


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The Urantia Book has very little to say about nature, or man's relationship with the natural world.


Maryjo - A reading of the Table of Contents is enough to see that "nature" is addressed in the papers of the UB.


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Through out history there has been many acount of persons that had an air of calm about them so much so that they alway brought about peace every where they went....Of course if history stand they most likely died at the hands of others... so what can you make of that ?

Still.... Mother Terissa was reported by a Politition to be able to bring a room to silence as she walked in even to those that did not see her enter :idea:

I like the story of Buda sitting by a tree and all the animals being passively drawn to him :smile:

And i remember in the old west times that persons callede Touch would walk up to bears and other animal with out any reaction from the animals!

My self have had moment where I was so at peace the I had incounters that where odd to the norm...and I gave it to the thought that it came about that way because i was more in Gods presence not having no other way to understand it.

I saw the Movie Last yeasr that had the water concept in it...even though there where some thing that when out on a limb for me I in total believe we have the power to affect our world :)

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[quote="J. Barry"]Of course if history stand they most likely died at the hands of others... so what can you make of that ?

Walk softly and carry a big stick? 8) UB trys to rally "idealists" together so that they do not get wiped out...in the future, countries will be judged by how many "idealists" live there and govern themselves. People are rapidly realizing that the USA might have to be turned into a penal colony like Australia used to be...

Still.... Mother Terissa was reported by a Politition to be able to bring a room to silence as she walked in even to those that did not see her enter :idea:

She carried the air of a disciplinarian, from what I hear, and the silence could have been fear...

I like the story of Buda sitting by a tree and all the animals being passively drawn to him :smile:

It's all about the hunger impulse - they are curious as to whether we are the food or can lead them to food.

And i remember in the old west times that persons callede Touch would walk up to bears and other animal with out any reaction from the animals!

Animal magnetism? 8)

My self have had moment where I was so at peace the I had incounters that where odd to the norm...and I gave it to the thought that it came about that way because i was more in Gods presence not having no other way to understand it.

A moment of peace never goes by unnoticed, I agree. Especially on Urantia...

I saw the Movie Last yeasr that had the water concept in it...even though there where some thing that when out on a limb for me I in total believe we have the power to affect our world :)

Yes, kindness to one another is a refreshing change. Peace to you, Bro.


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Dear Jim,

Despite fetish's determination to counter all the things you said in your post, I want you to know that I hear ya...

"Genuine religion renders the religionist socially fragrant and creates insights into human fellowship" p1089:9

I do believe that there is such a thing as "spiritual fragrance." Jesus certainly had it, and I believe Mother Teresa had it - the Dalai Lama has it, too. And there are even some "regular" people who exude this kind of friendliness towards all that is truly remarkable.

It is something I would like to have, too. I think it is an attitude of righteousness, of harmony, of love, of God-consciousness - and yes - friendliness.

I know this will probably sound really nutty to fetish (and maybe others), but I have had the experience of trying this attitude on flies and wasps...now, don't laugh yet!

When I find that a fly has gotten into the house, I can almost always get them outside again by talking to them. I ASK them to leave, and they do. I have done it time and again. Same with wasps. Now, the wasps - I have rescued many of them from drowning in the birds' water dish, and I think they and I have some kind of rapport because of this. I like to think so, anyway. And if their behavior is any indication, I think it is true. Next, I want to graduate to the mice who are living in my trailer in the mountains, and get them to find another home! HAHA!

Now, that is a little lighthearted commentary on the subject, true though it is, but I also find that a calm, forgiving, inclusive attitude also works wonders with humans...children especially. Everyone can feel closer to a person who they perceive is harmless to them. And this includes the natural world.

Remember the book "The Secret Life of Plants?" Very big in the '70s...it was all about the natural world responding to positive or negative influences in the environment. The work Dr Emoto is doing is very like that, and I think we would do well to pay attention, and try to put a little peace into our surroundings - for our own good.

Thanks for your thoughts on the subject...

And fetish - thanks for pointing out that the Table of Contents contains the word "nature." However, the word "nature" and the subject of the natural world are not the same thing.

The most pointed treatment of nature in TUB to me, is when Jesus chose to have his long - and short - seasons of meditation in natural surroundings, and also, when he was dying on the cross, he comforted himself with recalling scenes of the hills around Jerusalem and other nature scenes from his childhood. Jesus loved nature, and I can just imagine the animals loving him, too, just as people did...

All the Best to All,

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Re Mother Teresa, I am convinced she could quiet a room 'cause she was famous !! People also hush up when Nicole Kidman walks into a room. It is the "famous person" thing - not the "spiritual person" thing.

No one could be as magnificent as Christ Michael/Jesus. When he entered a room, he irritated lots of people - they finally killed him !! In all His magnificence and beauty and wisdom, they/we killed him......

Some of these notions we have are "Hollywood" ideas from movies. We get Mother Earth-Spirit stuff from American Indians.

"Respect the Earth" is a popular term that puzzles me. American Indians are drowning in alcoholism and casinos. Their kids are drowning in alcohol and drugs - and they worry about "mother earth."

I don't get it.


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Dear fatboy2,

Have you read about the Universe Mother Spirit (Paper 34, Page 374)?

Maybe the native American peoples were closer to the idea of her because they were closer to the earth, which she permeates, and had a more intimate relationship with the natural world than do modern peoples. The fact that they have had such terrible afflictions with alcohol (introduced to them by white settlers) is more of a genetic predisposition, and (I think) sorrow and despair over the loss of their homelands and the systematic detruction of their religions than anything else. This should not be an indictment of their beliefs.

We could do a lot worse than try to understand and even incorporate some of their ways in our modern culture. They had a lot of things right, and lived in relative harmony with their environment.

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maryjo606 wrote:
Dear Jim,

Despite fetish's determination to counter all the things you said in your post, I want you to know that I hear ya...

All the Best to All,

MaryJo


Dear Ms. Mary Jo,

I was merely attempting to provide the ego-less perspective that a REAL scientist should cultivate. Please stop getting personal.

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I saw it as humor...and i have at least two humorus bones in my body... :P


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What I got from that reading is that Dr. Emoto is suggesting that water reflects the nature of the thought or environment. I don't think it actually has any practical use but it would be nice to know that positive thinking is the right way to think.

This reminds of something that I saw on the discovery channel about another thought responsive experiment. It’s called the R.E.G. Sorry I can't remember what the E stands for but the R is for random and G is for generator. This computer program basically flips a coin, records the data and generates a graph of it, so most of the time the outcome is 50/50 and the graph will have a stable line spiking up and down a little. But the graphs spike tremendously around big world events like 9/11. There was two shows I saw about the R.E.G., one was that it started to react in advance prior to the first crash on 9/11(this show was about predicting the future), the other show was about human consciousness and spirituality I think. They discussed the R.E.G in terms of global consciousness and about how it reacts when people's thoughts I guess you could say affect the R.E.G. They talked about more events than the other show, such as Princess Diana’s funeral and New Year’s celebration. It was funny because he looked at the results of the R.E.G. around sport events and it was normal which made him think that it only reacted when people thought alike. This doesn’t necessarily mean that it responded to positive thought but it could be cohesive thought patterns.

This could be people looking for things that aren’t there but that could also be said about spirituality. Rarely does someone stumble onto a sound and perfect idea right off the bat, they usually have to make mistakes, and if they don't come to comprehend what they sought despite their life dedication, then someone else who thinks along the same lines will be inspired and continue to pursue their own desire to understand these things. I'm glad that scientist and pseudo science researchers alike are trying to understand human consciousness more, I think it will lead to something very important one day that will have huge implications for the coexistence of science and religion/spirituality.


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Dear Radian,

Thanks for your thoughtful post on this subject.

I found this quote from Paper 133. It is Jesus speaking:

p1477:4 133:5.9 Matter and spirit and the state intervening between them are three interrelated and interassociated levels of the true unity of the real universe. Regardless of how divergent the universe phenomena of fact and value may appear to be, they are, after all, unified in the Supreme.

p1477:5 133:5.10 Reality of material existence attaches to unrecognized energy as well as to visible matter. When the energies of the universe are so slowed down that they acquire the requisite degree of motion, then, under favorable conditions, these same energies become mass. And forget not, the mind which can alone perceive the presence of apparent realities is itself also real. And the fundamental cause of this universe of energy-mass, mind, and spirit, is eternal—it exists and consists in the nature and reactions of the Universal Father and his absolute co-ordinates.

I am still trying to get my mind wrapped around all of these things - Dr Emoto's work, your coin-toss experiements, etc, in light of these words of the Master...but it seems to me that the key concept here is MIND itself.

I am also reminded of the recent movie called "The Secret," in which we learn that whatever we allow your mind to dwell upon, that "something" will manifest: e.g., if you are focused on how poor you are, you will continually be given evidence of your poverty. If, on the other hand, you keep reminding yourself that you have all that you need, this too, will manifest.

I have had experience with this, myself. A few years back, I decided that I was tired of always trying to make my paycheck stretch to meet my needs. I felt that I was always running in place, but not making real progress with my finances. So, after reading about positive affirmation, I adopted the following mantra: "I always have plenty of money."

I repeated this mantra every time I was tempted to despair over my lack of funds. In a short time, I experienced the truth of my affirmation; my paycheck did not increase, but I seemed to have more of it, and things loosened up in my financial life. Over time, my financial life has dramatically improved, and I credit my new focus on abundance, rather than lack, for the difference. And I thank (and think) God for this insight.

Did it really make the difference? Some might say that this is "woo-woo" reasoning, but hey - it's working for me!

Likewise, when we lament over war and disharmony in the world, we could instead be placing our focus on peace, and what peace might look like in our experience, thereby manifesting THAT. Again, this is an ongoing experiment in my own life, and hopefully, in the lives of many. I think it's going to save our world eventually.

I believe that our mind, and the power of consciously using our minds by using the will to think with God (the Author of mind), is a powerful "secret" to be explored carefully. We are, after all, creators, because we possess the attributes of our Father in Heaven, whose children we are.

Consciously co-creating with him can bring about all manner of wonderful things, including making water freeze into beautiful shapes. Viewing the unlovely shapes created by the words "You fool," or I hate you," and the beautiful shapes crated by the words "I love you," are evidence (to me) of this power of thought.

We can create Heaven on earth (The Kingdom), or we can create chaos and ugliness - all by thought. And if only enough of us cared to focus our thoughts on beauty, truth and goodness, instead of the seeming reality our pressing problems, we could see lots more of that as time goes by.

I think it is an idea whose time has come.

"The real universe is friendly to every child of the eternal God." (from the same paper as above).

What do you think?

All the Best to ALL.

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