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Ezekiel 7:26 "Mischief shall come on mischief, and rumor shall be on rumor; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients."

Ezekiel from the Old Testament often refers to "ancients" that could refer to his elder statesmen, but from a spiritual connotation, we know that Ezekiel was a successor of the Prophet Daniel. Daniel is the first to be included as referring to these individuals (Dan 7:9):
"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."

The Urantia Book refers to the Ancients of Days, as an order of beings, who [tUB 182:3.2] "they disclose the combined character and unified nature of the Trinity." ; [18:3.3] "The Seven Master Spirits on high determine the nature of their respective superuniverses, but the Ancients of Days dictate the administration of these same superuniverses. They superimpose administrative uniformity on creative diversity and insure the harmony of the whole in the face of the underlying creational differences of the seven segmental groupings of the grand universe."

So, we have a very clear picture of the role that the Ancients of Days play in the grand universe, especially the unsettled seven superuniverses. What is the question, then? The question is of the 'mired' nature of language, in this case: what did the Prophet Ezekiel mean to imply when he wrong "counsel of the ancients"? What was he yearning to convey? In one interpretation, I believe he may be referring to his ancestors, the wisdom of his forefathers, so to speak, including the prophet Daniel, who had come before him.

But, we know how often humans mistaking actual spiritual impressions with memories of fond loved ones. Even if Ezekiel requested or invoked a higher wisdom from his ancestors, it is not necessarily they who would inevitably provide such counsel: [158:1.8] "Peter erroneously conjectured that the beings with Jesus were Moses and Elijah; in reality, they were Gabriel and the Father Melchizedek. The physical controllers had arranged for the apostles to witness this scene because of Jesus' request."

The impression of the human individual, in the mind of a person, should be sometimes considered as different compared to what you would expect that person to be seeing & experiencing. For instance, we have this gem from the book of Urantia, where Jesus, ripe with the stories that his father Joseph had told him, "sees the Holy City", before passing along the brow of Mount Olivet:
[124:6.8] "By the fourth and last day's journey the road was a continuous procession of pilgrims. They now began to climb the hills leading up to Jerusalem. As they neared the top, they could look across the Jordan to the mountains beyond and south over the sluggish waters of the Dead Sea. About halfway up to Jerusalem, Jesus gained his first view of the Mount of Olives (the region to be so much a part of his subsequent life), and Joseph pointed out to him that the Holy City lay just beyond this ridge, and the lad's heart beat fast with joyous anticipation of soon beholding the City and house of his heavenly Father."
In the view or artistic or spiritual correspondences, I have to question, "what was Jesus actually seeing, if he anticipated beholding the Holy City?" The City of Paradise, or the City of Jerusalem? This is the same as I withhold in the consideration of the book of Ezekiel, that he could be referring to his existential family, or taken to mean as, in addition to original invocation to ancestors. The same ambiguity is held between Jesus as witnessing "the Holy City" before passing the brow to gaze upon the City of Jerusalem, though his duty as a native of bethlehem would arguably only be enhanced by such experiences.

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Unsettled seven superuniverses???? Hmmmm.....

The 7 super universes are created and inhabited. What do you mean "unsettled"?

Do unsettled universes require administration?


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Jesus was looking at the Mount of Olives and the ridge line, below which lay Jerusalem. That's what we're told Jesus was "actually" seeing. He didn't see the Holy City before attaining the ridge top Stephen. He anticipated seeing it according to the text. Still making stuff up I see tp suit your own fantasies.

The actual first view after first visiting the house of Lazuras.

124:6.10 (1375.4) They pressed on, soon standing on the brink of Olivet, and Jesus saw for the first time (in his memory) the Holy City, the pretentious palaces, and the inspiring temple of his Father. At no time in his life did Jesus ever experience such a purely human thrill as that which at this time so completely enthralled him as he stood there on this April afternoon on the Mount of Olives, drinking in his first view of Jerusalem. And in after years, on this same spot he stood and wept over the city which was about to reject another prophet, the last and the greatest of her heavenly teachers.


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Yes, but the story seems to indicate that Joseph explained Jerusalem to Jesus, but Jesus had anticipated and envisioned it, while on the upside of the hills of Jerusalem, and it is reasonable to believe that no actual sight could have been obtained until after passing what you call the ridge, the brow, of the hill Mount Olivet. Jesus is the Paradise Son, and to see Paradise at least once before his bar mitzvoh seems important: especially when you consider that Jesus asks his believers to share in the life of Paradise, his residence, with him. Oh I know it seems like a silly qualification, but I imagine that no real vision like this attainable, without such actual experience in the mind of a mortal evolutionary man? That was one of his last moments of childhood. It would have had to come through someone like him, who is in part an existentially natured being? Also, did Jesus not say "as like unto a child will you enter into the kingdom of heaven."

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You are just making stuff up dude, as you so often do, and misquoting and misrepresenting the UB as you do so.

The quote does NOT "seem to say" anything at all except that which you twist and distort to invent for your own purposes. As usual, the text is clear, specific, articulate, and says what it says.

Jerusalem is not Paradise and Michael does not reside in Paradise either. Still making stuff up in contradiction of the Revelation. Please stop it.

Your lack of credibility or believability regarding the UB is legendary. Nothing you write should be considered as an accurate representation of any part of the teachings and text. As you so frequently demonstrate and prove.

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Unsettled seven superuniverses???? Hmmmm.....

The 7 super universes are created and inhabited. What do you mean "unsettled"?


Aren't the seven superuniverses unsettled, or not yet settled in light and life? That seems like a legitimate thing to say to me. There is more than one meaning to the word "unsettled".


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Unsettled seven superuniverses???? Hmmmm.....

The 7 super universes are created and inhabited. What do you mean "unsettled"?


Aren't the seven superuniverses unsettled, or not yet settled in light and life? That seems like a legitimate thing to say to me. There is more than one meaning to the word "unsettled".


So you now speak for Stephen too? What's the UB say?

We shall see what he meant...perhaps he will speak for himself.

But the 7 superuniverses are fully administered and teeming with life and are settling through all the related epochs of progress.

Once corrected, Stephen often refuses to acknowledge such questions. We shall see...


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I agree with Stephen that the seven superuniverses are unsettled.

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116:5.16 (1274.6) The difficulty in arriving at a state of dynamic equilibrium is inherent in the fact of the growing cosmos. The established circuits of physical creation are being continually jeopardized by the appearance of new energy and new mass. A growing universe is an unsettled universe; hence no part of the cosmic whole can find real stability until the fullness of time witnesses the material completion of the seven superuniverses.


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Agon D. Onter wrote:
I agree with Stephen that the seven superuniverses are unsettled.

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116:5.16 (1274.6) The difficulty in arriving at a state of dynamic equilibrium is inherent in the fact of the growing cosmos. The established circuits of physical creation are being continually jeopardized by the appearance of new energy and new mass. A growing universe is an unsettled universe; hence no part of the cosmic whole can find real stability until the fullness of time witnesses the material completion of the seven superuniverses.



Ahhhh....text support. Thank you.

Next quote also supports the definition of settled/unsettled.

116:5.17 (1274.7) In the settled universes of light and life there are no unexpected physical events of major importance. Relatively complete control over the material creation has been achieved; still the problems of the relationship of the settled universes to the evolving universes continue to challenge the skill of the Universe Power Directors. But these problems will gradually vanish with the diminution of new creative activity as the grand universe approaches culmination of evolutionary expression.

Sounds like settled has to do with physical creation forces and spatial stability.

Sorry for the interruption Stephen. You're right and I'm wrong.


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Is there any specific mention that any local universe, constellation or system in the seven super-universes is settled in Light and Life?


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Is there any specific mention that any local universe, constellation or system in the seven super-universes is settled in Light and Life?


I think this reference might be referring to a system, but I'm not sure. It could be referring to the individual planets within the system, it's hard to tell:

(624.2) 55:2.8 By the time a world attains the fourth stage of light and life, more than half the mortals leave the planet by translation from among the living. Such diminishment of death continues on and on, but I know of no system whose inhabited worlds, even though long settled in life, are entirely free from natural death as the technique of escape from the bonds of flesh. And until such a high state of planetary evolution is uniformly attained, the morontia-training worlds of the local universe must continue in service as educational and cultural spheres for the evolving morontia progressors. The elimination of death is theoretically possible, but it has not yet occurred according to my observation. Perhaps such a status may be attained during the faraway stretches of the succeeding epochs of the seventh stage of settled planetary life.

This reference below comes from the section on systems settled in light and life and it states that there are no constellations settled in light and life. I'm making the assumption that there are systems settled, although I'm not positive:

(633.1) 55:8.5 On the inhabited worlds the Teacher Sons become voluntary collaborators with the finaliters, and these same Teacher Sons also accompany the finaliters to the mansion worlds when those spheres are no longer to be utilized as differential receiving worlds after an entire system is settled in light and life; at least this is true by the time the entire constellation has thus evolved. But there are no groups that far advanced in Nebadon.


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Good reference. Maybe we have not yet earned the right to detailed knowledge about such things, but that clearly indicates at least some systems have acquired the state of Light and Life, thanks!


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