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I am hoping this topic trends in two distinct directions: first is how religion progresses socially through the mortal epochs of time and the profound effects on culture and planetary progress that socialized, evolutionary religion has on our progress as a whole population. This topic will also, naturally, include the impact of revelational or revelationary religion on planetary/cultural evolution, both before the endowment of the Son's Spirit of Truth and flood of Thought Adjusters and after. We can examine our unique history on Urantia considering the rebellion and default and that of a more normal or typical world but in either case, the evolution of religious experience certainly provides a lens upon social experience and progress too.

The second direction has to do with the personal and individual religious experience prior to the revelational relationship of the Thought Adjuster's ministry in the mind of the religionist; or, what is the human religious experience prior to the arrival of the TA? Regarding this particular aspect, here's a link to another and contemporary topic on that specific issue:

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I'm going to allow that topic to progress further before taking it any further here except in very general terms, and will instead begin with consideration of the effects of religion itself of planetary social evolution!

We are told that a world is not consider "populated" until that moment in biological evolution when the combined efforts of the Life Carriers and Adjutant Mind Spirits are cooperatively successful in connecting all 7 adjutants to the mind of a being that prior to that connection is considered animal mind only. Human mind does not originate or begin or receive recognition in the universe until the Adjutants of Worship and Wisdom are both functionally connected to mind. This moment takes millions of years of effort on every material, evolutionary world by these two cooperative teams (and others) who join forces and work together to exclusively and directly give origin and bring life to 7 trillion worlds in the 7 Super Universes that are each unique in the biological life forms and the evolutionary track of those life forms to evolve eventually into human/mortal habitation.

This evolution is not accidental or haphazard. It follows patterns but is not duplicated or cloned or copied with any precision or intent either. There may be archetypical similarities in some worlds but there will always be individualized uniqueness and distinctions in all 7 trillion worlds as well....like snowflakes and crystals...the same ingredients and forces still result in an original expression every time. For example, we are told that people are universally upright bi-pedals and the protoplasmic cell is the biologic unit of life. All of the 7 Super Universes in time and space are evolutionary. Only the Central Isle of Paradise and Havona are perfect and non-evolutionary. The rest of creation evolves by the function of cause and effect and the free will choices of its creators and administrators and inhabitants.

Evolution requires free will and is a function of cause and effect and the realization and actualization of what was once potential only. The realization of potential always results in more and greater potential for further realization. This is a self perpetuating feedback system with theoretically unlimited future progression. As it is given and managed in time, evolution based on free will choice results in experiential wisdom....there is a progressive, enlightening, improving, experientially based wisdom gained over time that is reflected in the experience AND the expression of free will choice.

This is a critical element and fact to consider. Free will does not lead to random outcomes that result in regression or decline and yet free will is free indeed. No matter how ignorant or primitive or savage or barbaric or inexperienced are any beings in the universes of time, still does evolution lead, eventually, to progress!! How can this be so? If free will is free and mistakes are inherent to this process of free will choice, then how can it be perpetually and predictably progressive???? That is the crux of the discussion to come I hope. Our creators do not fail to achieve light and life and always successfully complete all the mortal epochs of time on material evolutionary worlds but neither do they supercede or abrogate or over rule free will once a world is deemed inhabited. Evolution succeeds...by free will. Rather amazing to contemplate.

There are scientists and philosophers that argue that we do not have free will. They claim that all of us "choose" according to biological and social and genetic tendencies and patterns that are auto-responses that are learned or innate and preclude true freedom in choosing. We know this is false. However, the theory is not without merit. There are those who repeat choices over and over by unthinking habits or preferences and those who repeat responses and choices to stimuli that are learned or mimicked of others, and those whose only motivation in choice is self pleasure and gratification, and those that are driven by superstition, ignorance, and fear....rather than choices made by thoughtful consideration and the discernment of outcomes and repercussions and consequences which lead to self correcting adjustment to our choices over time to improve the experience, results, and trends of our choices. But either way, we ARE choosing. We choose what we choose but we also choose why we choose what we choose...we choose our motives and intentions and priorities and our strategies and our tactics and our timing.

All of those choices deliver results. Does everyone learn and adjust? Well no.....and those who do learn and adjust do so very personally and uniquely and not uniformly or predictably. So how then does social and planetary progress come about. It comes by the function of universe reality!! The choices made which do not relate to or result from or contribute to reality do not have any lasting effect on reality. Only those choices made which recognize reality and are a true experience and expression OF reality have an affect or causation of effect. That which is unreal does not and cannot effect reality.

So when we experience and express something/anything that comes from or is related to reality, there is an effect which is permanent and even eternal....a contribution and experience that adds meaning and value to the totality of reality - personally, socially, and universally. Free choices without such meaning and value evaporate into nothingness. In this way does free will become only progressive in its effects over time. The truth, beauty, and goodness of free will choice accumulates, aggregates, and integrates into the totality of experiential wisdom and progress while all other free will choice merely dissipates and evaporates and remains without meaning or value or effect.



The above is simply my understanding of the teachings and text of the UB and the expression of my own experience with free will. I look forward to yours!!

Some pre-reading is recommended for the discussion to come:

Papers 32, 36, 49, 52, and 65!

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32:0.1 (357.1) A LOCAL universe is the handiwork of a Creator Son of the Paradise order of Michael. It comprises one hundred constellations, each embracing one hundred systems of inhabited worlds. Each system will eventually contain approximately one thousand inhabited spheres.

32:0.2 (357.2) These universes of time and space are all evolutionary. The creative plan of the Paradise Michaels always proceeds along the path of gradual evolvement and progressive development of the physical, intellectual, and spiritual natures and capacities of the manifold creatures who inhabit the varied orders of spheres comprising such a local universe.

32:3.1 (360.3) The only creation that is perfectly settled is Havona, the central universe, which was made directly by the thought of the Universal Father and the word of the Eternal Son. Havona is an existential, perfect, and replete universe, surrounding the home of the eternal Deities, the center of all things. The creations of the seven superuniverses are finite, evolutionary, and consistently progressive.

32:3.3 (360.5) Except in the central universe, perfection is a progressive attainment. In the central creation we have a pattern of perfection, but all other realms must attain that perfection by the methods established for the advancement of those particular worlds or universes. And an almost infinite variety characterizes the plans of the Creator Sons for organizing, evolving, disciplining, and settling their respective local universes.

32:3.10 (361.5) The fact of animal evolutionary origin does not attach stigma to any personality in the sight of the universe as that is the exclusive method of producing one of the two basic types of finite intelligent will creatures. When the heights of perfection and eternity are attained, all the more honor to those who began at the bottom and joyfully climbed the ladder of life, round by round, and who, when they do reach the heights of glory, will have gained a personal experience which embodies an actual knowledge of every phase of life from the bottom to the top.

32:3.11 (361.6) In all this is shown the wisdom of the Creators. It would be just as easy for the Universal Father to make all mortals perfect beings, to impart perfection by his divine word. But that would deprive them of the wonderful experience of the adventure and training associated with the long and gradual inward climb, an experience to be had only by those who are so fortunate as to begin at the very bottom of living existence.

49:1.1 (559.6) The universes of time and space are gradual in development; the progression of life—terrestrial or celestial—is neither arbitrary nor magical. Cosmic evolution may not always be understandable (predictable), but it is strictly nonaccidental.

49:1.3 (560.2) All the worlds of a local system disclose unmistakable physical kinship; nevertheless, each planet has its own scale of life, no two worlds being exactly alike in plant and animal endowment. These planetary variations in the system life types result from the decisions of the Life Carriers. But these beings are neither capricious nor whimsical; the universes are conducted in accordance with law and order. The laws of Nebadon are the divine mandates of Salvington, and the evolutionary order of life in Satania is in consonance with the evolutionary pattern of Nebadon.

49:1.4 (560.3) Evolution is the rule of human development, but the process itself varies greatly on different worlds. Life is sometimes initiated in one center, sometimes in three, as it was on Urantia. On the atmospheric worlds it usually has a marine origin, but not always; much depends on the physical status of a planet. The Life Carriers have great latitude in their function of life initiation.

49:1.5 (560.4) In the development of planetary life the vegetable form always precedes the animal and is quite fully developed before the animal patterns differentiate. All animal types are developed from the basic patterns of the preceding vegetable kingdom of living things; they are not separately organized.

49:1.6 (560.5) The early stages of life evolution are not altogether in conformity with your present-day views. Mortal man is not an evolutionary accident. There is a precise system, a universal law, which determines the unfolding of the planetary life plan on the spheres of space. Time and the production of large numbers of a species are not the controlling influences. Mice reproduce much more rapidly than elephants, yet elephants evolve more rapidly than mice.

52:0.9 (589.9) The worlds of space, as soon as they are physically suitable for life, are placed on the registry of the Life Carriers, and in due time these Sons are dispatched to such planets for the purpose of initiating life. The entire period from life initiation to the appearance of man is designated the prehuman era and precedes the successive mortal epochs considered in this narrative.

52:1.4 (589.13) In the light of subsequent civilization, this era of primitive man is a long, dark, and bloody chapter. The ethics of the jungle and the morals of the primeval forests are not in keeping with the standards of later dispensations of revealed religion and higher spiritual development. On normal and nonexperimental worlds this epoch is very different from the prolonged and extraordinarily brutal struggles which characterized this age on Urantia. When you have emerged from your first world experience, you will begin to see why this long and painful struggle on the evolutionary worlds occurs, and as you go forward in the Paradise path, you will increasingly understand the wisdom of these apparently strange doings. But notwithstanding all the vicissitudes of the early ages of human emergence, the performances of primitive man represent a splendid, even a heroic, chapter in the annals of an evolutionary world of time and space.


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I think the course of human history on all material, evolutionary worlds is shaped by 3 forces over time: evolutionary religion, evolutionary science, and the evolutionary work of the agents/agencies of the creators (those including angels, midwayers, Reservists, the Supreme, the Most Highs, the Planetary Prince and Staff, the Material Sons and Daughters, the Avonal and Teacher Sons, etc.). The UB describes each world being transformed over time through 14 Epochs of Time....7 prior to Light and Life and 7 during Light and Life.....considered two sets of 7 epochs and not 14 really...the sets are acutely divided and different from one another!!

These epochs take place sequentially with long time frames of overlapping transitional borders. Some worlds, and Urantia is such a world, suffers from certain dislocations and disruptions that have resulted in lots of transitional borders and overlaps of multiple "epochs" at the same time. While I am confident our planetary rulers know what's what and have our progress well in hand, nonetheless a study of our own epochal progress is a little confusing compared to others I think and difficult to predict what comes next or when!

Science and religion are both very evolutionary and experiential and both seek the same end - the origin of the material reality and the spirit reality we dual natured beings know as our experiential reality of being. Both have the same origin and creator. There is both mechanism and organism to both sets of reality and there is also order, management, structure, relationship, function, potential, responses and reactions and repercussions or the physics of interaction...in both material science and spirit religious experience. The interaction with material/science experience and with spirit/religious experience are both personal and relational but also extend to the relational or aggregated experience of the population.

The material world and the spiritual world are ones of personal interaction with social/group results. Those group results are not immediate or universal but over time the ALL is affected by the experiences of the Each...and conversely, the Each is affected by the shared experiences of the All. The each and the all are connected, not only by experience but also by the spirit and mind ministries and networks and gravity circuits operational throughout time and space. In this way does science and religion change the world and the people in it...one person at a time and all people over time, one generation after another. This is evolutionary progress.

We've already considered why only progress? Or primarily progress? At least over long time frames. The good is retained as reality based while the bad fades over time as temporal based. But to preserve prior progress and perpetuate potential progress, our creators and rulers must engage and insert spirit forces at critical intersections of progress or decline to maintain the epochal progression of the worlds based on local results. As an example, let us consider 5 real life examples - the rebellion and the default and Melchizidek and Pentecost. After the rebellion, the world regressed scientifically and spiritually - significantly - and so much progress was lost except by a few representative mortal tribes and traditions. The same happened after Adam and Eve's failure.

Then 4 big things happened....boom, boom, boom, and BOOM!! First Mel's missionaries went East and West to proclaim the One God igniting an incredible era/epoch of religious consciousness and vitality. That era exploded some 1400 years later inexplicably by the intensification and popularization/socialization of great religious movements in the East and West. And then did Michael's bestowal deliver the paternal nature of God and the loving, nurturing, and mercy attributes of the One God and then the planetary gift of the Spirit of Truth upon Michael's own resurrection from the tomb...all as public spectacles and wonderments which ignited a planetary torch of spiritual light that burns brighter with each passing generation - and the flood of God Fragments to all humanity in the child's mind!

Each of these booms was a giant leap forward and part of the Most High's Plan B responses to prior failures and delays and each was a progressive step depending upon prior steps. We are assured it cannot happen but that if the God Fragments were to retreat from a world that it would soon revert to primitive, superstitious barbarity. Each step of progress cements prior progress and adds to the foundation and superstructure of the next aspects of influence and progress. Our rulers are managing a process that has a certain outcome, if not a certain sequence and timing of results.

What is evolutionary religion and how does it contribute to a world's epochal progress? This teaching is completely unique, I believe, to the UB as a religious teaching. It is a revelational teaching that the worlds of time inevitably and inexorably progress through planned epochs to attain the glory of the future, the Age of Light and Life. Evolutionary religions, or those I am familiar with, teach that the world will end some day in doom and disappointment and defeat, and the few believers will be saved while the many will be destroyed or left behind to suffer in their defeat. Many believe and teach that there is a true war between good and evil where the outcome is in doubt for many and the future of the world is likely to get only worse and worse. For such armageddonists, bad news is good (the end is nearer - hooray) and good news is bad (the end is nearer - arggghhhh) and life is a perpetual fear-fest of doom and gloom and there is a need to assess blame and guilt and determine who has done what and who is not doing enough and who should do what and not do which. Oh it is indeed tiresome...we even have such ones among us here. So sad.

The Urantia Papers teach us to see the light and to focus on the progress and the potential and to seize upon reality and gain the perspective of not merely hope but that of the certainty and inevitable success of our creators, rulers, and administrators to deliver our world through the Epochs of Time to the certain day to come of Glorious Light and Life. Long after we are gone from here, to our own glorious adventures in the Mansion Worlds and educational spheres of the universe of universes!! Those who worry and doubt and focus on blame and disappointment in others and feel called to exhort others to do this or that and not do this or thus have certainly not embraced the Light, Hope, Truth, and Peace of the Urantia Revelation. They are mighty poor voices to follow or believe and offer no hope or assurance when that is the very point and purpose of the UB.

Let us Exuberate by this Good News!! Next we will begin to examine the fact and function of evolutionary religion and how it leads to planetary progress as well as personal and generational progression. It begins with the feeling and growing certainty of the "other within". There is me in here...but I am not alone in here either. The I AM speaks in a whisper....at first. There is a "presence" and it brings a comfort "to" and a confirmation "of" me. An assurance arrives. Also, the material world is filled effects which are the results of cause....the first causes are less scientific and physics oriented leading to confidence in the hand and finger of unseen beings who create and cause all that happens to us - and doesn't happen to us! The inner life of the first people...and children. The beginning of the evolutionary religious experience is the beginning of the discovery of reality - two realities in our perception only which become the one, unified and integrated and actual reality.... eventually, once we have acquired sufficient experiential wisdom and spiritual progress.

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PS - Standard disclaimer here: any words posted that are not text quoted is but my own understanding and recall and opinions of the contents of the UB and subject to disagreement, correction, and bias.


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Evolution is important to understand for students of the UB. It is a very unique reality with profound functionality that is not proposed by historical or current religions or scientific philosophy or theory. It is a "new" concept as presented in the Papers. Humanity is not the result of a one time big bang without apparent cause and then a random sequence of effects which resulted in a lineal evolutionary process resulting in humanity. Neither was humanity created without time, evolution, the laws of physics, and a process of adaptations and adjustments to differential causes and sequences of causes. Neither basic theories - one proposed by evolutionary science and the other proposed by evolutionary religion really even begins to recognize the reality of evolutionary creationism as it actually occurs.

The inherent disparities and inaccuracy of both lines of thought/belief pretty much focus on what happened before the first "people" and ignore the fact that the reality and functionality of personal religious experience is the historical line that separates humanity from the animal kingdom. It is our connection to God and the Spirit within that begins the epoch tale of humanity. It is not brain size or intellect or physique or tools or skills or problem solving. While those are not irrelevant to our evolution, they are not the determinant factors that define what is human in the universes of time and space. It is the connection of the highest 2 adjutants within animal mind which delivers worship and wisdom - connections to the creator spirits and the capacity to integrate knowledge and experience into wisdom - these differentiate animal mind from human/mortal mind.

So evolutionary religion does not come some time later or after we achieve the evolutionary status of humans - it is the precise defining moment!!! The connection to the Spirit is not gradual...it either exists or it does not. This connection is vital and the very definition of what "human" means as opposed to animal. It is all that differentiates us from animals. It is indispensable to our own understanding of reality to discover this fact and integrate such knowledge into our philosophy of living. Our connection to God is all that makes us human!!!

Another vital fact that neither modern science or modern religions embrace is the purpose of material geological evolution and the function of the plant and animal kingdoms. Why are there stars and elements and planets? What is the purpose of plants and animals? Certainly can the gods make architectural spheres of either perfection or perfecting expressions of celestials and could do the same for material born mortals. So what's the point of material evolution and all of its elemental relationships and the physics involved in creationism? The point is us. Humanity. Mortal beings of ascendant potential. We are the point of evolution. We are not the point of creation...or so the UB teaches....there's lots going on and many expressions of God in the universe of universes that are not material and are unrelated to mortal ascension. But at the extreme spectral end of creation there is this material evolutionary process originated by creationism that is a highly managed, non-accidental, process that is evolutionary and experientially directed by creative beings whose ultimate purpose is the human/mortal mind connected to all 7 Adjutant Mind Spirits.

Planetary geological and atmospheric evolution and that of plants and animals have only one purpose in time and space...evolutionary and progressive steps specifically for the eventual emergence of humanity. We are the planned ultimate and dominant species of every material, evolutionary world where gravity, atmosphere, temperature and related tolerable ranges of these factors exist for the implantation and development and management and manipulation of life proceeds to eventually evolve people. We are the pinnacle and apex of evolutionary achievement. Until we exist that is. Then begins the Mortal Epochs and the evolution of our species through social and cultural transformations which are direct reflections and the results of Evolutionary Religion & Religious Experience!!!

65:0.1 (730.1) BASIC evolutionary material life—premind life—is the formulation of the Master Physical Controllers and the life-impartation ministry of the Seven Master Spirits in conjunction with the active ministration of the ordained Life Carriers. As a result of the co-ordinate function of this threefold creativity there develops organismal physical capacity for mind—material mechanisms for intelligent reaction to external environmental stimuli and, later on, to internal stimuli, influences taking origin in the organismal mind itself.

65:0.2 (730.2) There are, then, three distinct levels of life production and evolution:

65:0.3 (730.3) 1. The physical-energy domain—mind-capacity production.
65:0.4 (730.4) 2. The mind ministry of the adjutant spirits—impinging upon spirit capacity.
65:0.5 (730.5) 3. The spirit endowment of mortal mind—culminating in Thought Adjuster bestowal.

65:2.1 (731.5) The story of man’s ascent from seaweed to the lordship of earthly creation is indeed a romance of biologic struggle and mind survival. Man’s primordial ancestors were literally the slime and ooze of the ocean bed in the sluggish and warm-water bays and lagoons of the vast shore lines of the ancient inland seas, those very waters in which the Life Carriers established the three independent life implantations on Urantia.

65:3.1 (733.7) It will hardly be possible to explain to the present-day human mind many of the queer and apparently grotesque occurrences of early evolutionary progress. A purposeful plan was functioning throughout all of these seemingly strange evolutions of living things, but we are not allowed arbitrarily to interfere with the development of the life patterns after they have once been set in operation.

65:3.2 (733.8) Life Carriers may employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.

65:4.2 (735.1) But the establishment of life on no world is ever experimental in the sense that something untried and unknown is attempted. The evolution of life is a technique ever progressive, differential, and variable, but never haphazard, uncontrolled, nor wholly experimental, in the accidental sense.

65:7.2 (738.5) On an evolutionary world much, very much, depends on the work of these seven adjutants. But they are mind ministers; they are not concerned in physical evolution, the domain of the Life Carriers. Nevertheless, the perfect integration of these spirit endowments with the ordained and natural procedure of the unfolding and inherent regime of the Life Carriers is responsible for the mortal inability to discern, in the phenomenon of mind, aught but the hand of nature and the outworking of natural processes, albeit you are occasionally somewhat perplexed in explaining all of everything connected with the natural reactions of mind as it is associated with matter. And if Urantia were operating more in accordance with the original plans, you would observe even less to arrest your attention in the phenomenon of mind.

65:8.2 (739.6) If spending so much time in effecting the evolutionary changes of life development occasions perplexity, I would say that we cannot time the life processes to unfold any faster than the physical metamorphoses of a planet will permit. We must wait upon the natural, physical development of a planet; we have absolutely no control over geologic evolution. If the physical conditions would allow, we could arrange for the completed evolution of life in considerably less than one million years. But we are all under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Rulers of Paradise, and time is nonexistent on Paradise.


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Individually, I believe evolutionary religion tends to become secondary to the emergence of revelatory religion. Once the Adjuster is endowed within mind and in ministry to mind, then personal revelation by the Adjuster and by the Son's Spirit of Truth begins a more direct and personalized communication of truth and truth assurance which is also an evolutionary and progressive step beyond the faith experience of evolutionary religion as facilitated by the higher adjutants and the Holy Spirit - these are progressive layers of religious experience.

But on a planetary basis, this additional form of religious experience by personal revelation is still a element of "evolutionary religion". All personal religious experience contributes to the evolution of planetary progress and the evolved religions of humanity which tend toward organization, doctrines, creeds, community/congregational beliefs and practices. And this is one of the primary topics of this subject and examination - how religion progresses socially through the mortal epochs of time and the profound effects on culture and planetary progress that socialized, evolutionary religion has on our progress as a whole population. This form of evolutionary religion includes personal revelation AND epochal revelation - the entirety of all Spirit ministries to deliver religious experience in the individual acts also to effect the religious experience of the entire population through the Mortal Epochs. Religion evolves socially. During this evolutionary process, human religions and their development deliver profound influences and effects on the socialization of human beings. This is not accidental or haphazard or without intentional results.

Secular culture and science can only progress as much as and as fast as evolutionary religion allows. Interestingly, I believe that progressive secular culture and science likewise only allows evolutionary religion a limited range of progress. These associated limits are not so functional in individuals I do not think as they are in the shared, social experience of planetary progress. The smaller the group or numbers of people considered, the more the cultural or scientific or religious experience may outpace and outdistance one from the other...but as a whole, these three aspects of progress stay more bundled and bunched up than in any individual experience.

This allows for individual believers to religiously transcend their own or their cultural and social limitations of secular or scientific progress. Our individual religious experience is not limited by our intelligence or technology or social standing or cultural progressiveness...and neither is it necessarily enhanced, individually, by planetary secular/scientific progress. Individually, we can attain all the fruits of the Spirit and eternal bliss and peace of mind and faith/truth assurance and sufficient Spiritual progress to actually fuse, even on a world where such a thing is rare or unusual. Or the full range of first circlers to seventh circlers co-exist with the same secular and scientific realities or someone with a very advanced secular/scientific life is very retarded spiritually while someone who lives a primitive existence related to culture and science can become very spiritized.

But as a world, the culture and science and religious progress are more intertwined and each helps define and limit the progress potential of the others I think. Papers 68-92 tell the story of how these 3 causes AND the integrated effects of these causes have delivered our own world from the trees to the caves to the huts to the towns to the cities to the globalizing of culture of our own history...from first words to world wide digital instant communication and stone tools to laser robotics, evolutionary religion has driven humanity forward in our quest to know, understand, explain, create, manipulate, improve, transform, and transcend all prior limits and limitations of our science and culture. It is our connection to the Spirit within that delivers the future....personally and collectively....and connects us to reality and to potential and to source and to destiny. There is no life, no life at all, without religious experience and the connection we have to Spirit. Religious realities deliver all other realities and all meanings and all value. Religious experience is the key that unlocks the truth of the universe and the only reality that delivers happiness and validates our very existence....or so I think!!

3. The Nature of Evolutionary Religion

92:3.1 (1005.3) The study of human religion is the examination of the fossil-bearing social strata of past ages. The mores of the anthropomorphic gods are a truthful reflection of the morals of the men who first conceived such deities. Ancient religions and mythology faithfully portray the beliefs and traditions of peoples long since lost in obscurity. These olden cult practices persist alongside newer economic customs and social evolutions and, of course, appear grossly inconsistent. The remnants of the cult present a true picture of the racial religions of the past. Always remember, the cults are formed, not to discover truth, but rather to promulgate their creeds.

92:3.2 (1005.4) Religion has always been largely a matter of rites, rituals, observances, ceremonies, and dogmas. It has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion. The cardinal religious ideas of incantation, inspiration, revelation, propitiation, repentance, atonement, intercession, sacrifice, prayer, confession, worship, survival after death, sacrament, ritual, ransom, salvation, redemption, covenant, uncleanness, purification, prophecy, original sin—they all go back to the early times of primordial ghost fear.

92:3.3 (1005.5) Primitive religion is nothing more nor less than the struggle for material existence extended to embrace existence beyond the grave. The observances of such a creed represented the extension of the self-maintenance struggle into the domain of an imagined ghost-spirit world. But when tempted to criticize evolutionary religion, be careful. Remember, that is what happened; it is a historical fact. And further recall that the power of any idea lies, not in its certainty or truth, but rather in the vividness of its human appeal.

92:3.4 (1006.1) Evolutionary religion makes no provision for change or revision; unlike science, it does not provide for its own progressive correction. Evolved religion commands respect because its followers believe it is The Truth; “the faith once delivered to the saints” must, in theory, be both final and infallible. The cult resists development because real progress is certain to modify or destroy the cult itself; therefore must revision always be forced upon it.

92:3.5 (1006.2) Only two influences can modify and uplift the dogmas of natural religion: the pressure of the slowly advancing mores and the periodic illumination of epochal revelation. And it is not strange that progress was slow; in ancient days, to be progressive or inventive meant to be killed as a sorcerer. The cult advances slowly in generation epochs and agelong cycles. But it does move forward. Evolutionary belief in ghosts laid the foundation for a philosophy of revealed religion which will eventually destroy the superstition of its origin.

92:3.6 (1006.3) Religion has handicapped social development in many ways, but without religion there would have been no enduring morality nor ethics, no worth-while civilization. Religion enmothered much nonreligious culture: Sculpture originated in idol making, architecture in temple building, poetry in incantations, music in worship chants, drama in the acting for spirit guidance, and dancing in the seasonal worship festivals.

92:3.7 (1006.4) But while calling attention to the fact that religion was essential to the development and preservation of civilization, it should be recorded that natural religion has also done much to cripple and handicap the very civilization which it otherwise fostered and maintained. Religion has hampered industrial activities and economic development; it has been wasteful of labor and has squandered capital; it has not always been helpful to the family; it has not adequately fostered peace and good will; it has sometimes neglected education and retarded science; it has unduly impoverished life for the pretended enrichment of death. Evolutionary religion, human religion, has indeed been guilty of all these and many more mistakes, errors, and blunders; nevertheless, it did maintain cultural ethics, civilized morality, and social coherence, and made it possible for later revealed religion to compensate for these many evolutionary shortcomings.

92:3.8 (1006.5) Evolutionary religion has been man’s most expensive but incomparably effective institution. Human religion can be justified only in the light of evolutionary civilization. If man were not the ascendant product of animal evolution, then would such a course of religious development stand without justification.

92:3.9 (1006.6) Religion facilitated the accumulation of capital; it fostered work of certain kinds; the leisure of the priests promoted art and knowledge; the race, in the end, gained much as a result of all these early errors in ethical technique. The shamans, honest and dishonest, were terribly expensive, but they were worth all they cost. The learned professions and science itself emerged from the parasitical priesthoods. Religion fostered civilization and provided societal continuity; it has been the moral police force of all time. Religion provided that human discipline and self-control which made wisdom possible. Religion is the efficient scourge of evolution which ruthlessly drives indolent and suffering humanity from its natural state of intellectual inertia forward and upward to the higher levels of reason and wisdom.

92:3.10 (1006.7) And this sacred heritage of animal ascent, evolutionary religion, must ever continue to be refined and ennobled by the continuous censorship of revealed religion and by the fiery furnace of genuine science.

4. The Gift of Revelation

92:4.1 (1007.1) Revelation is evolutionary but always progressive. Down through the ages of a world’s history, the revelations of religion are ever-expanding and successively more enlightening. It is the mission of revelation to sort and censor the successive religions of evolution. But if revelation is to exalt and upstep the religions of evolution, then must such divine visitations portray teachings which are not too far removed from the thought and reactions of the age in which they are presented. Thus must and does revelation always keep in touch with evolution. Always must the religion of revelation be limited by man’s capacity of receptivity.

92:4.2 (1007.2) But regardless of apparent connection or derivation, the religions of revelation are always characterized by a belief in some Deity of final value and in some concept of the survival of personality identity after death.

92:4.3 (1007.3) Evolutionary religion is sentimental, not logical. It is man’s reaction to belief in a hypothetical ghost-spirit world—the human belief-reflex, excited by the realization and fear of the unknown. Revelatory religion is propounded by the real spiritual world; it is the response of the superintellectual cosmos to the mortal hunger to believe in, and depend upon, the universal Deities. Evolutionary religion pictures the circuitous gropings of humanity in quest of truth; revelatory religion is that very truth.

Me here: Remember - The Gift of Revelation came with the first people on our world in the same generation as the forces of Evolutionary Religion. We must be cautious when attempting to extricate their influences from the planetary progress through the Mortal Epochs of Time.


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Evolution requires free will

Well if you consider that the Central Universe is "fully evolved" though completely existential in origins.


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yet free will is free indeed.

Again, no matter how much you want to believe that "free will" is free, you must consider that this idea of "free will choices" is at least an eventuational fact-belief of Urantians. Are you considering choices as "what you want to do", or rather is a choice really "what you must will have want become."

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We know this is false.

Who do you attest here are representing when you write this word "We"?

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choices deliver results.

Or rather prudence eventuates the evidence of choice, or in my view what a person had strove to become.

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The above is simply my understanding of the teachings and text of the UB and the expression of my own experience with free will.

And as mine. Humans maybe can make choices. But what a person actually wants, and what a soul really is striving towards, are an experiencial dichotomy until the human mind has fully unified his own love in the fullness of God's wisdom. If a human continues to "choose" incomplete, finite outcomes, nonlifegiving or selfish consideration outcomes, but there is a great need for a human to choose outcomes that the soul truly yearns for completion.

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Evolution requires free will

Well if you consider that the Central Universe is "fully evolved" though completely existential in origins.


fanofVan wrote:
yet free will is free indeed.

Again, no matter how much you want to believe that "free will" is free, you must consider that this idea of "free will choices" is at least an eventuational fact-belief of Urantians. Are you considering choices as "what you want to do", or rather is a choice really "what you must will have want become."

fanofVan wrote:
We know this is false.

Who do you attest here are representing when you write this word "We"?

fanofVan wrote:
choices deliver results.

Or rather prudence eventuates the evidence of choice, or in my view what a person had strove to become.

fanofVan wrote:
The above is simply my understanding of the teachings and text of the UB and the expression of my own experience with free will.
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And as mine. Humans maybe can make choices. But what a person actually wants, and what a soul really is striving towards, are an experiencial dichotomy until the human mind has fully unified his own love in the fullness of God's wisdom. If a human continues to "choose" incomplete, finite outcomes, nonlifegiving or selfish consideration outcomes, but there is a great need for a human to choose outcomes that the soul truly yearns for completion.

Okay but in a psychiatric sense, of this consideration, I would reserve for all human individuals as actual choices to be "what the human individual has need to ask of God to do, beyond his own capacity," those choice which conform with the true obligations that you would hold as a Jesusonian.

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fanofVan wrote:
Evolution requires free will

Well if you consider that the Central Universe is "fully evolved" though completely existential in origins.


fanofVan wrote:
yet free will is free indeed.

Again, no matter how much you want to believe that "free will" is free, you must consider that this idea of "free will choices" is at least an eventuational fact-belief of Urantians. Are you considering choices as "what you want to do", or rather is a choice really "what you must will have want become."

fanofVan wrote:
We know this is false.

Who do you attest here are representing when you write this word "We"?

fanofVan wrote:
choices deliver results.

Or rather prudence eventuates the evidence of choice, or in my view what a person had strove to become.

fanofVan wrote:
The above is simply my understanding of the teachings and text of the UB and the expression of my own experience with free will.


And as mine. Humans maybe can make choices. But what a person actually wants, and what a soul really is striving towards, are an experiencial dichotomy until the human mind has fully unified his own love in the fullness of God's wisdom. If a human continues to "choose" incomplete, finite outcomes, nonlifegiving or selfish consideration outcomes, but there is a great need for a human to choose outcomes that the soul truly yearns for completion.

Okay but in a psychiatric sense, of this consideration, I would reserve for all human individuals as actual choices to be "what the human individual has need to ask of God to do, beyond his own capacity," those choice which conform with the true obligations that you would hold as a Jesusonian.


The Central Universe is not evolved at all...or evolving. Read 14:0.1 and 0.2.


I understand Stephen that you don't believe or accept the teachings of the UB about a good many things, including free will....and your beliefs about free choice also contradict the commonly accepted karmic philosophy of reaping what we sow...as also taught by the Master 2000 years ago.

Wisdom is the harvest of experience and learning from the effects of our free will choices which have results and repercussions. Believe what you will. You do not get to "reserve" or define free will Stephen....this would be one of the limits on your free will choices - you can choose to ignore reality and you can choose to fictionalize reality to suit yourself but you do not determine nor define reality.

The fact and function of free will is elementary and fundamental and foundational and inherent in Religious Experience and spiritization and soul growth and progress and transformation and ascendance and transcendence and experiential wisdom and perfecting and our relationship with reality and with Deity. To deny it is a defiance of reality....and an undeniable and indisputable example of personal free will choice. You have made a decision that you are powerless and pointless and that only conformity and obedience will deliver your future or that fate has predetermined your outcomes - a mere slave to a tyrant or helpless victim to an indifferent universe. Your decision, your choice...and you will live with the consequences of such a choice of victimhood and helplessness. A pity.

I am a son of a loving God and King who showers me with affection and gifts of adoration and a legacy and destiny of great adventure and endless reward in a friendly universe designed for my personal experience and joyous expressions of gratitude and love and chivalry and service in the eternal quest of becoming and perfecting to become more and more like my paternal creator whose love sustains me through all trials and tribulations. This is true because it is reality but it is true to me because I choose to believe it is so. We choose what we believe and who. We act upon our beliefs and choose our motives and intentions and priorities by those beliefs.

No matter our material choices or their lack, we are taught that we are always free and able to choose to respond to the Spirit within...and the more we respond, the more we grow in courage and in strength to face all material challenges, disappointments, failures, suffering, defeats, uncertainties, and vicissitudes. Such choices at the intersection of our decisions delivers the fruits of the Spirit and the connection of the branch to the vine. Such choices bring certain and substantial results!


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103:5.10 (1134.8) Man, in his spiritual domain, does have a free will. Mortal man is neither a helpless slave of the inflexible sovereignty of an all-powerful God nor the victim of the hopeless fatality of a mechanistic cosmic determinism. Man is most truly the architect of his own eternal destiny.

141:2.2 (1588.5) “When you are the subjects of this kingdom, you indeed are made to hear the law of the Universe Ruler; but when, because of the gospel of the kingdom which I have come to declare, you faith-discover yourselves as sons, you henceforth look not upon yourselves as law-subject creatures of an all-powerful king but as privileged sons of a loving and divine Father. Verily, verily, I say to you, when the Father’s will is your law, you are hardly in the kingdom. But when the Father’s will becomes truly your will, then are you in very truth in the kingdom because the kingdom has thereby become an established experience in you. When God’s will is your law, you are noble slave subjects; but when you believe in this new gospel of divine sonship, my Father’s will becomes your will, and you are elevated to the high position of the free children of God, liberated sons of the kingdom.”

39:4.14 (435.7) The keys of the kingdom of heaven are: sincerity, more sincerity, and more sincerity. All men have these keys. Men use them—advance in spirit status—by decisions, by more decisions, and by more decisions. The highest moral choice is the choice of the highest possible value, and always—in any sphere, in all of them—this is to choose to do the will of God. If man thus chooses, he is great, though he be the humblest citizen of Jerusem or even the least of mortals on Urantia.

110:3.6 (1206.4) You must not regard co-operation with your Adjuster as a particularly conscious process, for it is not; but your motives and your decisions, your faithful determinations and your supreme desires, do constitute real and effective co-operation.

110:6.5 (1209.5) The Adjusters are always near you and of you, but rarely can they speak directly, as another being, to you. Circle by circle your intellectual decisions, moral choosings, and spiritual development add to the ability of the Adjuster to function in your mind; circle by circle you thereby ascend from the lower stages of Adjuster association and mind attunement, so that the Adjuster is increasingly enabled to register his picturizations of destiny with augmenting vividness and conviction upon the evolving consciousness of this God-seeking mind-soul.

110:6.6 (1210.1) Every decision you make either impedes or facilitates the function of the Adjuster; likewise do these very decisions determine your advancement in the circles of human achievement. It is true that the supremacy of a decision, its crisis relationship, has a great deal to do with its circle-making influence; nevertheless, numbers of decisions, frequent repetitions, persistent repetitions, are also essential to the habit-forming certainty of such reactions.

111:1.3 (1216.4) Material mind is the arena in which human personalities live, are self-conscious, make decisions, choose God or forsake him, eternalize or destroy themselves.

111:1.4 (1216.5) Material evolution has provided you a life machine, your body; the Father himself has endowed you with the purest spirit reality known in the universe, your Thought Adjuster. But into your hands, subject to your own decisions, has been given mind, and it is by mind that you live or die. It is within this mind and with this mind that you make those moral decisions which enable you to achieve Adjusterlikeness, and that is Godlikeness.

112:2.20 (1229.7) The material self, the ego-entity of human identity, is dependent during the physical life on the continuing function of the material life vehicle, on the continued existence of the unbalanced equilibrium of energies and intellect which, on Urantia, has been given the name life. But selfhood of survival value, selfhood that can transcend the experience of death, is only evolved by establishing a potential transfer of the seat of the identity of the evolving personality from the transient life vehicle—the material body—to the more enduring and immortal nature of the morontia soul and on beyond to those levels whereon the soul becomes infused with, and eventually attains the status of, spirit reality. This actual transfer from material association to morontia identification is effected by the sincerity, persistence, and steadfastness of the God-seeking decisions of the human creature.

112:7.6 (1238.1) On the evolutionary worlds, selfhood is material; it is a thing in the universe and as such is subject to the laws of material existence. It is a fact in time and is responsive to the vicissitudes thereof. Survival decisions must here be formulated. In the morontia state the self has become a new and more enduring universe reality, and its continuing growth is predicated on its increasing attunement to the mind and spirit circuits of the universes. Survival decisions are now being confirmed. When the self attains the spiritual level, it has become a secure value in the universe, and this new value is predicated upon the fact that survival decisions have been made, which fact has been witnessed by eternal fusion with the Thought Adjuster. And having achieved the status of a true universe value, the creature becomes liberated in potential for the seeking of the highest universe value—God.

Me here: Free will does not await upon eventuation or perfection or time....but survival and growth and fusion and perfecting all depend upon our free will choices. It is not complicated nor is it a chicken and egg paradox. We must FIRST choose and act upon our choices to give birth to soul and to grow soul and to survive with soul and to fuse our soul with the God Fragment and to enjoy the eternal adventure which is ours....to choose!

Not choosing is a choice...but not a wise one or an effective one. Believe what you will Stephen....but here on this topic, I will ask that you remain focused on the teachings and text of the UB we are here to study. You are free to disbelieve and disagree with the Papers as you wish.

If you have questions please share them...but we are not here to discuss your personal proclamations which contradict the UB but rather, we are here to learn what the UB teaches. There is certainly no such thing as Evolutionary Religion or Religious Experience without free will, personal choices, and decisions for such evolution and experience. I understand you do not believe in those either. So be it.

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In my spiritual domain, is a key phrase of what you are attempting to explain. What is that spiritual domain? Apparently it is the existence of man's soul, the son of man, as a representation of the Supreme Being to the Thought Adjuster. So those two aspects, being in my spiritual domain, and true knowledge of the Fragment of the First Source, remain unqualified. I hold that humans can make choices: this is why I want my family all to become finalitors and find their spiritual domain, apparently a common one of Paradise in which we must eventually all share as a dwelling place with the Father.

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In my spiritual domain, is a key phrase of what you are attempting to explain. What is that spiritual domain? Apparently it is the existence of man's soul, the son of man, as a representation of the Supreme Being to the Thought Adjuster. So those two aspects, being in my spiritual domain, and true knowledge of the Fragment of the First Source, remain unqualified. I hold that humans can make choices: this is why I want my family all to become finalitors and find their spiritual domain, apparently a common one of Paradise in which we must eventually all share as a dwelling place with the Father.


Nope....our soul is NOT a representation of the Supreme Being!! Quotes please!! :roll:


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107:5.3 The mindedness of the Thought Adjuster is like the mindedness of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son - that which is ancestral to the minds of the Conjoint Actor.
107:5.4 they (Fragments of the First Source and Center) all disclose minded qualities.
107:5.6 This experiential mind quality (this relationship between Adjuster and man) probably “supremacizes”

40:10.3 we are taught that all these happenings unfold in obedience to the established laws of the Supreme Universe Rulers.

Haha I would include fused ascenders of mortal status in such category.

Universe Levels of Reality:
106:0.6 #4. Ultimates. This level encompasses that which is of master universe significance and impinges on the destiny level of the completed master universe. Paradise-Havona (especially the circuit of the Father's worlds) is in many respects of ultimate significance.

Even if a mortal ascender is not of fused status (even if a Thought Adjuster is not of ascendington status), the human individual can, nevertheless, act in the capacity of one who represents the Universal Father, and nevertheless achieve the liaison of coordination by doing the will of the Father.


Please describe how such coordination is achieved and augmented functions in the human individual mind capacity and action?
Haha, well because such phenomenons is theoretically universal and suppovely expanding experiencially according to the continuous unfoldment of planetary evolution, and the personality of human individuals is such unique in expression, I am unable to experiencially qualify or rationally truth-clarify this for you. But I know this happens: I witness in the spirit of truth when other human individuals experiencially and psychologically mature.



101:6.6 With man, the eventual fusion and resultant oneness with the indwelling Adjuster - the personality synthesis of man and the essence of God - constitute him, in potential, a living part of the Supreme and insure for such a onetime mortal being the eternal birthright of the endless pursuit of finality of universe service for and with the Supreme.
Would it make more sense that such service is constituted in him? That this is constituted "in the mind of" man, or "in the soul of man" - the morontial emergence of the experiencial relationship between a person and the First Source and Center.

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our soul is NOT a representation of the Supreme Being

This depending on what you mean "our soul", a confusing phrase. I do not regard "your" soul when I am seeking to know the truth for my own purposes. I understand individual souls, not collective souls. I have relationship with my mom and my dad and each of my brothers, and I know their souls personally because I know that each of them has a relationship with the First Source and Center, the Origin of All Mind. But you have children, yeah? A soul that is "drawn from the personal experience of the universe within the tabernacle of that one, for every human life represents the life of the holy spirit in a finite sense."
Again, who does Bradley attest to speak for when he says "We", "our soul"? Also, as Jesus did say "not one of these children shall be plucked from my hand" [John 10:29]: I do not even regard my soul as "belonging to me"; in fact, the soul that I am belongs to the Universal Father, and if I am not that (i.e. if I am not a child of the First Source), I allow Michael the Creator Son to represent this in me.
Final Answer: you should not withhold from your mind the fact that your own children, each in a unique capacity, do represent the the Life of the Supreme Being in your own experiences.

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I don't attest to speak for anyone but myself...why?


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John 10: "For he that is the hireling shall flee and abandon his flock of sheep, when he sees the wolf approach: for they who are merely hirelings care not for the sheep. But Jesus was willing to lay his life down to protect his flock, so that his sheep may find the pasture, because Jesus cares for his sheep and shares his life that they may know his voice and may have life in its fullest abundance."
It means: what do you mean when you say "We"? "All who are of your kind, your flock?" "All who shall find God's pasture, entering, as it were, through the Door"? Do you say "We" as a human individual merely, as you have just expressed, or do you say "We" as in the loyalty to one's own flesh & blood? Even so, what does that mean to you: "loyalty to one's own flesh & blood"? What is your interpretation of the Ancient Tradition: filial Piety?

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John 10: "For he that is the hireling shall flee and abandon his flock of sheep, when he sees the wolf approach: for they who are merely hirelings care not for the sheep. But Jesus was willing to lay his life down to protect his flock, so that his sheep may find the pasture, because Jesus cares for his sheep and shares his life that they may know his voice and may have life in its fullest abundance."
It means: what do you mean when you say "We"? "All who are of your kind, your flock?" "All who shall find God's pasture, entering, as it were, through the Door"? Do you say "We" as a human individual merely, as you have just expressed, or do you say "We" as in the loyalty to one's own flesh & blood? Even so, what does that mean to you: "loyalty to one's own flesh & blood"? What is your interpretation of the Ancient Tradition: filial Piety?


Each "we" would be defined by its context Stephen. Hopefully you can discern those included in each "we". If not, ask. But you'll need to quote me and be specific. Sometimes we are the students of the UB. Sometimes we are those with souls. Sometimes we are those with free will. Sometimes we may be you and me. Depends.

Sorry you are confused by context as it is always very important to meaning. For now I don't think a game of rope a dope with you over minutia is advised.

And I don't have a "flock" Stephen. And neither am I a wolf. But they do lurk about. No worries...the sincere student can discern who is who around here.

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