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Post subject: Re: Personality - identityPost       Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:05 pm

[...] Is the Urantia Book a revelation of fact or is it a revelation of truth? [...]

Post subject: Re: Personality - identityPost       Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:40 pm

Yes of course, facts are included in a revelation of truth. I don't believe I ever said otherwise.

Hidden within facts are values meant to be discovered by revelation. The function and purpose of revelation is to bridge the morontia gulf between material (facts) and spiritual (value), to help the mind discern the presence of value concealed within facts, and this requires the "spirit-born" "eye of faith".

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(2078.7) 195:7.4 Paradise values of eternity and infinity, of truth, beauty, and goodness, are concealed within the facts of the phenomena of the universes of time and space. But it requires the eye of faith in a spirit-born mortal to detect and discern these spiritual values.

Very good posting of yours. But you seem to have missed the truth being a paradise value bit.

For what it is worth, God is also a value:

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112:7.6 (1238.1) On the evolutionary worlds, selfhood is material; it is a thing in the universe and as such is subject to the laws of material existence. It is a fact in time and is responsive to the vicissitudes thereof. Survival decisions must here be formulated. In the morontia state the self has become a new and more enduring universe reality, and its continuing growth is predicated on its increasing attunement to the mind and spirit circuits of the universes. Survival decisions are now being confirmed. When the self attains the spiritual level, it has become a secure value in the universe, and this new value is predicated upon the fact that survival decisions have been made, which fact has been witnessed by eternal fusion with the Thought Adjuster. And having achieved the status of a true universe value, the creature becomes liberated in potential for the seeking of the highest universe value — God.



How truth and fact are related is nicely disclosed in 118:3.2 (1297.3) through 118:3.4 (1297.5). One also gets the bonus of having concept defined.

I'd be happy to let you or others take a crack at it before my commenting further.


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118:3.2 (1297.3) Things are time conditioned, but truth is timeless. The more truth you know, the more truth you are, the more of the past you can understand and of the future you can comprehend.

26:4.15 (290.5) Ability to comprehend is the mortal passport to Paradise. Willingness to believe is the key to Havona. The acceptance of sonship, co-operation with the indwelling Adjuster, is the price of evolutionary survival.

Are you the truth?   :)

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Answer: unconditionally (except in the possibility "insertional error due to human logos", incompatible with the commission of Gabriel who authorised the UP' Transcription) the Urantia Papers is a revelation of FACT, which could be affirmational in truth only upon the consideration and election (enfrancishement, "to ratify") of the human individual.

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