Adam and Eve co-dependents?

SEla_Kelly wrote:

Right- so both male and female creature designs controlled by the Eternal Mother-Son, so would the male and female: Adam and Eve, be interdependent on each other in order to obtain the full expression of potential for Adamic life in Satania? Surely we have no major concerns in this respect for the original Adam & Eve, as expression archetypes Adam & Eve are not themselves Adjuster indwellt: they will etch the identity or characteristics of the Eternal Mother Son into the local universe simply by "being fruitful and multiplying", by living out the orders that the Creator Son Michael had deigned approval from the Second Member of Trinity.

I suppose in a sense, when I introduced this topic: I had it wrong. I said do the original Material Son & Daughter rely on each other for the full expression of their personalities? However personality is a prerogative of the Universal Father, and it is not for me to decide how personality : whoa are Adam and Eve true personalities?

Maybe if Eve and Adam are come from these combinences, and patterns, and creature archetype plans existing primarily within the circuit of the Eternal Mother Son, can their attributes constitute actual personality? Perhaps not, if they are only eternal sunshine people without the curse of accident and circumstance, and temporal # of living breaths within a mortal tabernacle, that without the gift of the indwelling father fragment, how is it that you could truly say that the original Adam and Eve have personality? Their own personalities, therefore are completely submerged in the identity of the Creator Son Michael, and the Eternal Mother-Son.

But for we human individuals, who may interpret the reasons why Adam & Eve codependent creatures, it is true you could always go back to that moment Rick Warren, "Adam could have remained as sole-ruler of Urantia" - but a difficult prospect if you can identify that in his very nature Adam mayen't have actually been able to consider/countenance that plan. I would love to hear someone explain how in only one lifetime, Adam the one sent to Urantia could have chosen to remain alone without his partner.

Combinences??????????????? Again with the made up words without definition or meaning....or value. Just creating confusion...still.

Oh Dear...………….more false declarations, presumptions, and falsehoods. Here we go......still SO much you have wrong Stephen!

Yes, the Material Sons and Daughters, ALL, have personality as bestowed by God, the First Source and Center. Thought Adjusters are not required for personality. All celestials and all beings, spirit/morontia/mortal are bestowed free will and personality. Relationship is not possible without it.

No personality is "submerged" into anyone else's "identity". A false claim. Personalities are not even subservient to Deity except by free will choice, let alone submerged. And no being is simply an archetype either - every single being is unique and personal and all those created in time are subject to the same experiential-wisdom quest of learning and growing...even the Michaels are experiential as is the Supreme.

Material Sons and Daughters have "no major concerns"?????????????? Please tell me you're kidding!

Still waiting for some definition or quote about your so called "original Adam and Eve". Who are they? Where are they? How many are they? I believe you will need to pluralize that claim for any accuracy at all as there is no such thing as any singular or original Adam and Eve....the text has already been posted.

Did you know that all Adams and Eves and their children born on material/evolutionary worlds DO receive TA's?? Guardian Angels, midwayers, and the Materials all receive TA's at a certain point in their careers and go to the Corps of Finality to serve with mortal finaliters. The process is called humanization. Very interesting. Learned about it a year or so ago...pretty new concept to me.

As far as Adam's choice....since the authors presented the choice as a choice, perhaps it is wise to believe it was a choice!?

75:5.2 (843.4) It was in the despair of the realization of failure that Adam, the day after Eve’s misstep, sought out Laotta, the brilliant Nodite woman who was head of the western schools of the Garden, and with premeditation committed the folly of Eve. But do not misunderstand; Adam was not beguiled; he knew exactly what he was about; he deliberately chose to share the fate of Eve. He loved his mate with a supermortal affection, and the thought of the possibility of a lonely vigil on Urantia without her was more than he could endure.

I will speculate that if Adam had chosen otherwise, then he would have retained access to and benefited by the Tree of Life while Eve would meet her same fate of mortal death within a few centuries and they would not be reunited until Adam had led the world to Light and Life...tens or hundreds of thousands of years after Eve's death. He would have enjoyed the company of their progeny to come but would never have mated with mortals himself and neither would Adam and Eve's children. Far more Adamic blood would have been delivered to our world and the Garden would still thrive. Adam's choice is very interesting. On one hand he chose loyalty to Eve but only by the betrayal of trust and duty to Urantia!

Whatever, the pair remain united and in service to our world and were forgiven for their immaturity and impatience and failures. I believe they will ascend to Paradise to serve in the Corps of Finality alongside the mortal ascenders from Urantia.

76:5.2 (852.1) Adam and Eve did not, as citizens of Jerusem, have Thought Adjusters, nor were they Adjuster indwelt when they functioned on Urantia in the first garden. But shortly after their reduction to mortal status they became conscious of a new presence within them and awakened to the realization that human status coupled with sincere repentance had made it possible for Adjusters to indwell them. It was this knowledge of being Adjuster indwelt that greatly heartened Adam and Eve throughout the remainder of their lives; they knew that they had failed as Material Sons of Satania, but they also knew that the Paradise career was still open to them as ascending sons of the universe.

76:6.3 (853.4) Adam and Eve quickly passed through the worlds of progressive ascension until they attained citizenship on Jerusem, once again to be residents of the planet of their origin but this time as members of a different order of universe personalities. They left Jerusem as permanent citizens—Sons of God; they returned as ascendant citizens—sons of man. They were immediately attached to the Urantia service on the system capital, later being assigned membership among the four and twenty counselors who constitute the present advisory-control body of Urantia.

31:5.1 (349.1) There is provision in the universes of time and space whereby the Adamic citizens of the local systems, when long delayed in receiving planetary assignment, may initiate a petition for release from permanent-citizenship status. And if granted, they join the ascending pilgrims on the universe capitals and thence proceed onward to Paradise and the Corps of the Finality.

31:5.2 (349.2) When an advanced evolutionary world attains the later eras of the age of light and life, the Material Sons, the Planetary Adam and Eve, may elect to humanize, receive Adjusters, and embark upon the evolutionary course of universe ascent leading to the Corps of Mortal Finaliters. Certain of these Material Sons have partially failed or technically defaulted in their mission as biologic accelerators, as Adam did on Urantia; and then are they compelled to take the natural course of the peoples of the realm, receive Adjusters, pass through death, and progress by faith through the ascendant regime, subsequently attaining Paradise and the Corps of the Finality.

55:4.9 (627.7) The System Sovereign has authority to release midway creatures any time after the first settled stage so that they may humanize in the morontia by the aid of the Life Carriers and the physical controllers and, after receiving Thought Adjusters, start out on their Paradise ascension.

55:4.30 (629.

Throughout all of these epochs the imported assisting Material Sons and Daughters exert a tremendous influence on the progressing social and economic orders. They are potentially immortal, at least until such time as they elect to humanize, receive Adjusters, and start for Paradise.

55:4.31 (629.9) On the evolutionary worlds a being must humanize to receive a Thought Adjuster. All ascendant members of the Mortal Corps of Finaliters have been Adjuster indwelt and fused except seraphim, and they are Father indwelt by another type of spirit at the time of being mustered into this corps.

Urantia Book Forum

Who is online