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Stephen!!!! Please do NOT hijack this topic and make it about YOU!! Or your endless commentary and personal theories about modern psychiatry...or agricultural policy. Enough already. =;


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Paradise is the central switch board for reflectivity and all mind content flows to Deity but Deity controls and determins all subsequent transmission.


I thought the main switchboard was on the headquarters of each superuniverse with each of the Seven Master Spirits since the reflectivity of each superuniverse is segregated from all the others. Of course the final focal point is Majeston on Paradise, at the "rendezvous of the Seven Master Spirits". References:

(201.8 ) 17:3.10 During the present universe age the space range of the extra-Paradise reflectivity service seems to be limited by the periphery of the seven superuniverses. Otherwise, the function of this service seems to be independent of time and space. It appears to be independent of all known subabsolute universe circuits.

(201.9) 17:3.11 On the headquarters of each superuniverse the reflective organization acts as a segregated unit; but on certain special occasions, under the direction of Majeston, all seven may and do act in universal unison, as in the event of the jubilee occasioned by the settling of an entire local universe in light and life and at the times of the millennial greetings of the Seven Supreme Executives.

(200.1) 17:2.3 Majeston is a true person, the personal and infallible center of reflectivity phenomena in all seven superuniverses of time and space. He maintains permanent Paradise headquarters near the center of all things at the rendezvous of the Seven Master Spirits. He is concerned solely with the co-ordination and maintenance of the reflectivity service in the far-flung creation; he is not otherwise involved in the administration of universe affairs.

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The contents of all minds everywhere are archived and remain available eternally for recall and utilization by all authorized parties.


I think reflectivity involves more than just mind content. Isn't it an interassociation and unification of all three phases of existence within the worlds of time and space? Doesn't it include the material and spiritual, as well as the mind?

(105.1) 9:7.1 The Conjoint Actor is able to co-ordinate all levels of universe actuality in such manner as to make possible the simultaneous recognition of the mental, the material, and the spiritual. This is the phenomenon of universe reflectivity, that unique and inexplicable power to see, hear, sense, and know all things as they transpire throughout a superuniverse, and to focalize, by reflectivity, all this information and knowledge at any desired point. The action of reflectivity is shown in perfection on each of the headquarters worlds of the seven superuniverses. It is also operative throughout all sectors of the superuniverses and within the boundaries of the local universes. Reflectivity finally focalizes on Paradise.

(105.2) 9:7.2 The phenomenon of reflectivity, as it is disclosed on the superuniverse headquarters worlds in the amazing performances of the reflective personalities there stationed, represents the most complex interassociation of all phases of existence to be found in all creation. Lines of spirit can be traced back to the Son, physical energy to Paradise, and mind to the Third Source; but in the extraordinary phenomenon of universe reflectivity there is a unique and exceptional unification of all three, so associated as to enable the universe rulers to know about remote conditions instantaneously, simultaneously with their occurrence.


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William - have you considered the difference between pleasure and happiness? What's your take on that?


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William - have you considered the difference between pleasure and happiness? What's your take on that?


Well, to tell you the truth I've never thought about it to deeper level. I say that pleasure is temporary while happiness is longer lasting.

Happiness is being content and satisfied with life and having people you love and having a sense of achievement and fullness in life. Regarding a sense of achievement and fullness it's the feeling that you have lived/are living for as many memorable experiences for yourself (travel) and contributing to the happiness of others (making contributions to society and the well being of others).

Pleasure on the other hand is temporary and being in constant pursuit of it is detrimental to achieving happiness. So being drunk and engaging in debauchery may seem desirable for the pleasure, but it will subsequently lead to a feeling of being a less valued member of society which is not doing any good for achieving happiness especially if you keep doing it.

If this feels off topic, it's because I'm only answering the question to the best of my abilities and have not gotten far in my studies of the UB.


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9:6.1 (103.6) The Third Source and Center, the universal intelligence, is personally conscious of every mind, every intellect, in all creation, and he maintains a personal and perfect contact with all these physical, morontial, and spiritual creatures of mind endowment in the far-flung universes. All these activities of mind are grasped in the absolute mind-gravity circuit which focalizes in the Third Source and Center and is a part of the personal consciousness of the Infinite Spirit.

9:6.2 (103.7) Much as the Father draws all personality to himself, and as the Son attracts all spiritual reality, so does the Conjoint Actor exercise a drawing power on all minds; he unqualifiedly dominates and controls the universal mind circuit. All true and genuine intellectual values, all divine thoughts and perfect ideas, are unerringly drawn into this absolute circuit of mind.

17:3.3 (201.1) The attribute of reflectivity, the phenomenon of the mind levels of the Conjoint Actor, the Supreme Being, and the Master Spirits, is transmissible to all beings concerned in the working of this vast scheme of universal intelligence. And herein is a great mystery: Neither the Master Spirits nor the Paradise Deities, singly or collectively, disclose these powers of co-ordinate universal reflectivity just as they are manifested in these forty-nine liaison personalities of Majeston, and yet they are the creators of all these marvelously endowed beings. Divine heredity does sometimes disclose in the creature certain attributes which are not discernible in the Creator.

7:3.4 (201.2) The personnel of the reflectivity service, with the exception of Majeston and the Reflective Spirits, are all the creatures of the Infinite Spirit and his immediate associates and subordinates. The Reflective Spirits of each superuniverse are the creators of their Reflective Image Aids, their personal voices to the courts of the Ancients of Days.

17:3.5 (201.3) The Reflective Spirits are not merely transmitting agents; they are retentive personalities as well. Their offspring, the seconaphim, are also retentive or record personalities. Everything of true spiritual value is registered in duplicate, and one impression is preserved in the personal equipment of some member of one of the numerous orders of secoraphic personalities belonging to the vast staff of the Reflective Spirits.

17:3.6 (201.4) The formal records of the universes are passed up by and through the angelic recorders, but the true spiritual records are assembled by reflectivity and are preserved in the minds of suitable and appropriate personalities belonging to the family of the Infinite Spirit. These are the live records in contrast with the formal and dead records of the universe, and they are perfectly preserved in the living minds of the recording personalities of the Infinite Spirit.

17:3.7 (201.5) The reflectivity organization is also the news-gathering and the decree-disseminating mechanism of all creation. It is in constant operation in contrast with the periodic functioning of the various broadcast services.


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William - have you considered the difference between pleasure and happiness? What's your take on that?


Well, to tell you the truth I've never thought about it to deeper level. I say that pleasure is temporary while happiness is longer lasting.

Happiness is being content and satisfied with life and having people you love and having a sense of achievement and fullness in life. Regarding a sense of achievement and fullness it's the feeling that you have lived/are living for as many memorable experiences for yourself (travel) and contributing to the happiness of others (making contributions to society and the well being of others).

Pleasure on the other hand is temporary and being in constant pursuit of it is detrimental to achieving happiness. So being drunk and engaging in debauchery may seem desirable for the pleasure, but it will subsequently lead to a feeling of being a less valued member of society which is not doing any good for achieving happiness especially if you keep doing it.

If this feels off topic, it's because I'm only answering the question to the best of my abilities and have not gotten far in my studies of the UB.


I think it very topical to this subject and discussion!! Nice response. Here's a link to a keyword search for "happiness":

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... &start=all


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140:6.5 (1576.5) “You have heard the teachers of the law say, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that every man who looks upon a woman with intent to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You can only judge men by their acts, but my Father looks into the hearts of his children and in mercy adjudges them in accordance with their intents and real desires.”

I believe that Jesus was not refering to the god of the Saini volcano that may shoot a lightning bolt at anyone who dont think like an advanced spiritized being. He was refering to the existing law of Moses written on stone. Jesus respected the law even if he though the laws of the time may be a bit uninspired.
But being judged, we cannot escape the consequences of our actions. Our judge will see us as we really are and we cannot hide anyghing - I look forward to this.

On a side note, I also look forward to the Mansion worlds where many of my difficiencies will be sorted out - and I especially look forward to a visit to the Material Sons estates.
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Don't you think happiness is also pleasurable? Pleasure seems to be defined as the satisfaction of happiness. Reference:

(51.13) 3:5.14 9. Is pleasure — the satisfaction of happiness — desirable? Then must man live in a world where the alternative of pain and the likelihood of suffering are ever-present experiential possibilities.

Happiness is pleasurable in that it is a escape from pain. Some people seek material pleasures to ease their pain (psychic and physical), while those who seek God and know him have such satisfaction of happiness (pleasure) that it actually elevates them from the material level of pain and suffering. Physical pain and suffering may exist, but it no longer has control over them.

Additionally, it is written that worship is the most exquisite pleasure known to created beings. Reference:

(303.5) 27:7.1 The quality of worship is determined by the depth of creature perception; and as the knowledge of the infinite character of the Gods progresses, the act of worship becomes increasingly all-encompassing until it eventually attains the glory of the highest experiential delight and the most exquisite pleasure known to created beings.


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On happiness:

100:4.3 But the great problem of religious living consists in the task of unifying the soul powers of the personality by the dominance of LOVE. Health, mental efficiency, and happiness arise from the unification of physical systems, mind systems, and spirit systems. Of health and sanity man understands much, but of happiness he has truly realized very little. The highest happiness is indissolubly linked with spiritual progress. Spiritual growth yields lasting joy, peace which passes all understanding.


On happiness and "thought crime":

103:5.5 Human happiness is achieved only when the ego desire of the self and the altruistic urge of the higher self (divine spirit) are co-ordinated and reconciled by the unified will of the integrating and supervising personality. The mind of evolutionary man is ever confronted with the intricate problem of refereeing the contest between the natural expansion of emotional impulses and the moral growth of unselfish urges predicated on spiritual insight—genuine religious reflection.

111:4.7 Happiness and joy take origin in the inner life. You cannot experience real joy all by yourself. A solitary life is fatal to happiness. Even families and nations will enjoy life more if they share it with others.

And a little Zen on the topic at hand:

131:3.5 “No religionist may hope to attain the enlightenment of immortal wisdom who persists in being slothful, indolent, feeble, idle, shameless, and selfish. But whoso is thoughtful, prudent, reflective, fervent, and earnest—even while he yet lives on earth—may attain the supreme enlightenment of the peace and liberty of divine wisdom. Remember, every act shall receive its reward. Evil results in sorrow and sin ends in pain. Joy and happiness are the outcome of a good life. Even the evildoer enjoys a season of grace before the time of the full ripening of his evil deeds, but inevitably there must come the full harvest of evil-doing. Let no man think lightly of sin, saying in his heart: 'The penalty of wrongdoing shall not come near me.' What you do shall be done to you, in the judgment of wisdom. Injustice done to your fellows shall come back upon you. The creature cannot escape the destiny of his deeds.

131:3.6 “The fool has said in his heart, 'Evil shall not overtake me'; but safety is found only when the soul craves reproof and the mind seeks wisdom. The wise man is a noble soul who is friendly in the midst of his enemies, tranquil among the turbulent, and generous among the grasping. Love of self is like weeds in a goodly field. Selfishness leads to grief; perpetual care kills. The tamed mind yields happiness. He is the greatest of warriors who overcomes and subdues himself. Restraint in all things is good. He alone is a superior person who esteems virtue and is observant of his duty. Let not anger and hate master you. Speak harshly of no one. Contentment is the greatest wealth. What is given wisely is well saved. Do not to others those things you would not wish done to you. Pay good for evil; overcome evil with the good.

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But being judged, we cannot escape the consequences of our actions. Our judge will see us as we really are and we cannot hide anyghing - I look forward to this.


Do you think there is an actual Judgement Day?


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In 40.7.5 we read that fusion with our thought adjusters is "divine validation". I believe our "judgement day" is the point when we choose God so thoroughly and irrevocably that he responds with an eternal embrace that changes us into spirit beings.


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176:3.8 In the next world you will be asked to give an account of the endowments and stewardships of this world. Whether inherent talents are few or many, a just and merciful reckoning must be faced. If endowments are used only in selfish pursuits and no thought is bestowed upon the higher duty of obtaining increased yield of the fruits of the spirit, as they are manifested in the ever-expanding service of men and the worship of God, such selfish stewards must accept the consequences of their deliberate choosing.


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Do you think we will be asked to give an accounting of our endowments and stewardships of this world on one single Judgment Day?


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The issue of thought crimes in Masturbation. Well people are not necessarily seeking pleasure or self-gratification when they masturbate: many times when I looked at pornography, I was searching for identity. Now that I realise a philosophical ideal in terms of self-identity, "identification with one's Thought Adjuster", even though I do poorly understand the concept or actuality of individual Thought Adjuster, I can transition away from imagery and gender-demands and search to develop the universal personality.

Usually the development of the regular animal "adjutant mind spirits", the issue is with false-identifications, wrong choices, could impede the function of the adjutant mind spirits within the human tabernacle, and then impair and even derange the development of the morontial mind. The morontial mind develops in prepubescent rationally thinking children, and confronts new challenges when sexual urges arise during socialisation. And the challenge in individual psychology is knowing that each person has a different stage of development, and should be trusted to know themselves and their own limitations better than others in their peer group. Within an social attitude that "everyone masturbates", which I believe is not entirely true, you see that individuals are soliciting counsel from members of their peer group, and are therefore often encouraged as in challenge to engage in feats that are not good for society, one's future partner.

Pornography is extremely influencial not only in terms of self-identity, but in terms of the western economy. Pornography contains the guarantee of a product, the promises that the corporations make, and mundane imagery such as a billboard with a photo of a Big Mac. People are encouraged to make documents such as Resume's, LLC Mission Statement, and thus agency becomes a mainstay of pornography. In the artistic realm of internet publications, the individual sketch artists must compete with Marvel-Disney and "Wizards of the Coast", who have the resources to trademark, patternize their characters, in other words "minting" or "embossing" Avatars, even signing nondisclosure and loyalty pacts that they might not misrepresent the characters their companies have paid so dearly to establish. You find suggestions in pornography, in today's society, not only how to be seen as attractive, but what to eat, how to dress, who to like, how to behave, and even a few catchy slogans borrowed from the youth of today.

But when it comes to sin, or thought crime, again this standard is in morality, and each person who "should know better" must hold themselves individually accountable for their own thoughts and actions. With so much claims of value in America economy, but this is a service economy: we have been told by Michael Cohen that the values are overinflated. So the thought crime is not represented in the false ideal represented by the publisher or editor: rather the thought crime is that the publishers and editors must bring information which is most specific, most relevent, most actionable. If you are not living up to your own standards and finding new and better ideals, then you are guilty. And I do not mean to condemn you but if you accept this, then you will love that through Jesus, through submission to the will of our Creator Son, there can be mercy so that it can be said that if you choose to live better, to reform your own mind, you will or shall "sin no more."

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Do you think we will be asked to give an accounting of our endowments and stewardships of this world on one single Judgment Day?


I think for those who participate in a dispensational resurrection/ 'role call of justice', there will be a judgement period in which individuals will have their own opportunities to provide a full accounting and be assessed for their circle progress etc. But I don't think there will ever be a collective day of judgement in which people will be sorted good or bad all in one fell swoop.

I think each of us has our own opportunity for reviewing our lives; also, our guardian angel will provide an accounting of our progress and there will be judgement of some sort. I see it as a very individual process and I believe that when it occurs, it will not feel threatening or scary in any way but will feel like a natural part of our spirit progression. I think we will welcome this session of accounting for our earthly lives and will be willing and able to accept the assessment of our progress. Kind of like a performance evaluation at work. Most of us, when we get our performance evaluation at work, we aren't surprised by our boss' assessment of our work. We kinda know where we went wrong, or what we do well, etc. If we have a good relationship with our supervisor, we can accept and even welcome professional development suggestions and constructive feedback.


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