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We are told, in the below revelation, life decisions that require overcoming phobias supply a degree of psychic force the Adjuster requires to leverage itself against the material mind, and bend the latter to its "pre-will"; thus, TA is able to spiritually transform, and enlighten the mind when equipped with this psychic force.

I find that revelations, scriptures, verses, and etcetera do not necessarily have to be grounded in fact or be true to transform the mind. Even when void of facts, yet, they can inspire personality to initiate the mind event mentioned above.

In my estimation, the Mystery Monitor is not dependent on facts or what we collectively consider "truth" to effect spiritualization of mind. In partnership with TA, to transform the mind, what is required is exercising one's will over his/her fear. This causes the chain reaction we read about in the revelation.

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108:5.8 (1192.3) The Thought Adjusters would like to change your feelings of fear to convictions of love and confidence; but they cannot mechanically and arbitrarily do such things; that is your task. In executing those decisions which deliver you from the fetters of fear, you literally supply the psychic fulcrum on which the Adjuster may subsequently apply a spiritual lever of uplifting and advancing illumination.

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Perhaps we should consider the differences between truth and fact as described in the UB? There's plenty.


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180:5.2 Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. Post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory. Living truth is dynamic and can enjoy only an experiential existence in the human mind.

180:5.3 Intelligence grows out of a material existence which is illuminated by the presence of the cosmic mind. Wisdom comprises the consciousness of knowledge elevated to new levels of meaning and activated by the presence of the universe endowment of the adjutant of wisdom. Truth is a spiritual reality value experienced only by spirit-endowed beings who function upon supermaterial levels of universe consciousness, and who, after the realization of truth, permit its spirit of activation to live and reign within their souls.

180:5.4 The true child of universe insight looks for the living Spirit of Truth in every wise saying. The God-knowing individual is constantly elevating wisdom to the living-truth levels of divine attainment; the spiritually unprogressive soul is all the while dragging the living truth down to the dead levels of wisdom and to the domain of mere exalted knowledge.


180:5.3 says "Truth is a reality value experienced only by spirit-endowed beings who function on supermaterial levels of universe consciousness, and who, after the realization of truth,". Whoa, lets stop there for a moment. Does this mean that to know real truth we must first recognize the truth, presumably intellectually, then we must realize that it is truth? Only then can we allow ourselves to take the faith step of allowing it to spiritually activate and reign within our souls as revealed in "permit its spirit of activation to live and reign within their souls" part of the statement. Seems that we have an identify and apply, 2 stage program going on here. Jesus called us to this same practice.

That is quite a process and seems to be precisely what you are saying, BB. Truth does not require facts to be truth, it requires deliberate and honest perception within our personality. The fact that we are told that truth is a reality value that must be experienced is quite telling. This is not to say that facts are not supportive in most cases, but perception of reality does not require facts to be true in order for reality to be perceived. If it did we would never get anywhere. Science and society and even religion operate on theories which may or may not be factual. Jesus died for my sins is a fact that is not true but Paul built a whole religion upon it.

And truth is always only as real as the one who perceives it allows. When we say to God, "I love you" we may realize we are afforded the potential to realize the truth of that as a personal value perception. The immediate experience of which reveals a greater value of it than the previous realization we experienced. Deeper and deeper we journey inward, seeking a more perfect realization, greater value, more Godly realization of truth. Facts are not the sole building blocks upon which we venture forth on this journey. Spiritual growth is not built on getting things right, it is built on becoming more real, more Godlike in ourselves which is why many who believe what we now know from the Urantia Book to be all kinds of errors, are progressing spiritually.

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I would agree...but would say further that not only are facts not required for the spiritization of mind and transformation of self but this can be and often is accomplished despite wrong and inaccurate beliefs and knowledge which is incomplete and inaccurate.

I recall Louis claiming over and over again that the world did not need epochal revelation because of the personal revelation ministry of the TA. The UB does not teach this. Factual knowledge and understanding of universe realities is not the mission or ministry or result of the TA's work to spiritualize the mind and grow the soul. This is the purpose of epochal revelation and the schools of knowledge that normally exist on every inhabited world and existed on this one for hundreds of thousands of years once upon a time. Such schools of knowledge exist on nearly every world at every level of reality all the way to and including Paradise.

It does seem counterintuitive to learn that faith alone can deliver a personal religious experience that delivers truth and growth and transformation and the attachment of the branch to the vine and the fruits of the Spirit. But so we are taught...and this is also logically demonstrable. We are having and we know others who are having meaningful and fruitful religious lives. We also know how little we know and how little others know of universe factual reality and also how little agreement there is about reality...and yet the fact of religious experience is very real...in ourselves and in others...including those we disagree with!

Still the UB also teaches, and redundantly so, that factual knowledge of universe reality is desirable and beneficial and this is why Epochal Revelation is provided. Knowledge and facts are not to be shunned and are not irrelevant in the pursuit of truth. Indeed, the discovery and pursuit of truth is aided by and magnified by facts and the knowledge of reality. We are provided epochal revelation in conjunction with personal revelation for a reason...an important reason too. To reduce confusions and eliminate the errors that ignorance, fear, superstition, and metaphorical or personal interpretations of reality delivers to the pursuit and discovery of truth.


There is only one reality. A factual understanding of that reality is presented to us. Do we believe it and thereby learn about the persons, relationships, history, organization, purpose, plan, source, meaning, and destiny of our very existence and being within that reality? Or do we choose to embrace ignorance and metaphor and confusion? That's a real choice now. Which shall we choose? Our own prejudice and ignorance? Or reality itself?


Like BB and Jim, I am comforted and impressed by the reality that the faith experience and the personal relationship with God within does not depend upon information, knowledge, fact, belief in specific creeds, ceremonies, declarations, etc. No matter if we are young, primitive, ignorant, stupid, stubborn, superstitious, misguided, and filled with false beliefs....still does each mind receive the ministry of the Spirit and still can each mind respond to Spirit and experience faith and faith assurance and truth and truth assurance. Amazing!! Glorious!!

The Urantia Papers invite us to a new level of perception, experience, expression and truth. We should consider such an offer and opportunity seriously I think. To eliminate error and reduce confusion in the pursuit and discovery of truth is a good thing. This too adds mighty leverage to the fulcrum of faith!


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The TedTalk is interesting regarding consciousness...but does contradict reality as described in the UB. There is a reality regardless of human consciousness or understanding or belief in that reality. Reality is NOT what humans AGREE it is. Horse Feathers.

Anil also limits consciousness to self and to the material world but leaves out consciousness of "the other" or the Spirit within...the small voice and the pilot of the TA. A critical omission of consciousness and reality.

This omission is because the speaker limits consciousness to brain activity and leaves out the reality of mind and mind ministry and the circuitry of mind and the superconscious connection to TA and to soul.

Interesting....but false and incomplete. Secular and godless. Inaccurate....unhelpful. But very metaphorical!! A result of the lack of reality facts and knowledge provided in epochal revelation and universe reality given us to eliminate such confusions and errors.

I did enjoy the TT....thanks. Especially the fact that the each is part of the whole and our need to expand consciousness. But we need to expand it even further than suggested I think to include God and Objective Reality.

Reminds me of a favorite piece of Zen....

Things are not as they appear...and neither are they different.

Ommmmmmm........

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Awesome explanation!


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That is quite a process and seems to be precisely what you are saying, BB. Truth does not require facts to be truth, it requires deliberate and honest perception within our personality. The fact that we are told that truth is a reality value that must be experienced is quite telling. This is not to say that facts are not supportive in most cases, but perception of reality does not require facts to be true in order for reality to be perceived. If it did we would never get anywhere. Science and society and even religion operate on theories which may or may not be factual. Jesus died for my sins is a fact that is not true but Paul built a whole religion upon it.

And truth is always only as real as the one who perceives it allows. When we say to God, "I love you" we may realize we are afforded the potential to realize the truth of that as a personal value perception. The immediate experience of which reveals a greater value of it than the previous realization we experienced. Deeper and deeper we journey inward, seeking a more perfect realization, greater value, more Godly realization of truth. Facts are not the sole building blocks upon which we venture forth on this journey. Spiritual growth is not built on getting things right, it is built on becoming more real, more Godlike in ourselves which is why many who believe what we now know from the Urantia Book to be all kinds of errors, are progressing spiritually.

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Awesome explanation!


Indeed, because it is based on experience and fuelled by love.


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Indeed.

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Indeed, because it is based on experience and fuelled by love.

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I consider truth as any idea operable by the TA though.

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I consider truth as any idea operable by the TA though.


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Another important fact about truth and the TA is that the TA delivers personal revelation....revelatory truth and truth assurance and does not impart facts. That is the role of Epochal Revelation and those text/fact books that we would normally find in the libraries of Dalamatia and The Garden schools...and now in the UB. The TA's concern is soul growth and truth assurance...not the facts of universe reality....which, as has been demonstrated here, are not required for the work of the TA and truth.

Which makes epochal revelation a book of fact to be read and studied and accepted literally. The two forms of revelation thereby work in harmony. Metaphor is a tool of truth presentation....the nonliteral presentation of that which is illustrative of truth. Facts are given to provide clarity and detail and reduce confusions and eliminate errors...and so does the UB claim itself in purpose and in deed!!

Truth in literature is inspired....facts are not inspired....they are facts.

101:0.3 (1104.3) Religion, the conviction-faith of the personality, can always triumph over the superficially contradictory logic of despair born in the unbelieving material mind. There really is a true and genuine inner voice, that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.” And this spirit leading is distinct from the ethical prompting of human conscience. The feeling of religious assurance is more than an emotional feeling. The assurance of religion transcends the reason of the mind, even the logic of philosophy. Religion is faith, trust, and assurance.

101:2.4 (1106.3) There are two basic reasons for believing in a God who fosters human survival:

101:2.5 (1106.4) 1. Human experience, personal assurance, the somehow registered hope and trust initiated by the indwelling Thought Adjuster.

101:2.6 (1106.5) 2. The revelation of truth, whether by direct personal ministry of the Spirit of Truth, by the world bestowal of divine Sons, or through the revelations of the written word.

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Another important fact about truth and the TA is that the TA delivers personal revelation....revelatory truth and truth assurance and does not impart facts. That is the role of Epochal Revelation and those text/fact books that we would normally find in the libraries of Dalamatia and The Garden schools...and now in the UB. The TA's concern is soul growth and truth assurance...not the facts of universe reality....which, as has been demonstrated here, are not required for the work of the TA and truth.

Which makes epochal revelation a book of fact to be read and studied and accepted literally. The two forms of revelation thereby work in harmony. Metaphor is a tool of truth presentation....the nonliteral presentation of that which is illustrative of truth. Facts are given to provide clarity and detail and reduce confusions and eliminate errors...and so does the UB claim itself in purpose and in deed!!

Truth in literature is inspired....facts are not inspired....they are facts.

101:0.3 (1104.3) Religion, the conviction-faith of the personality, can always triumph over the superficially contradictory logic of despair born in the unbelieving material mind. There really is a true and genuine inner voice, that “true light which lights every man who comes into the world.” And this spirit leading is distinct from the ethical prompting of human conscience. The feeling of religious assurance is more than an emotional feeling. The assurance of religion transcends the reason of the mind, even the logic of philosophy. Religion is faith, trust, and assurance.

101:2.4 (1106.3) There are two basic reasons for believing in a God who fosters human survival:

101:2.5 (1106.4) 1. Human experience, personal assurance, the somehow registered hope and trust initiated by the indwelling Thought Adjuster.

101:2.6 (1106.5) 2. The revelation of truth, whether by direct personal ministry of the Spirit of Truth, by the world bestowal of divine Sons, or through the revelations of the written word.

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101:4.3 (1109.4) Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.

101:4.4 (1109.5) In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.

101:4.5 (1109.6) Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:

101:4.6 (1109.7) 1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
101:4.7 (1109.8) 2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
101:4.8 (1110.1) 3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
101:4.9 (1110.2) 4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
101:4.10 (1110.3) 5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.


Me here: Personal revelation by the TA is an up-step to the evolutionary religious experience of primitives and children prior to the endowment of the Thought Adjuster. Prior to the TA's is the religious experience of mortals by the ministry of the Adjutants of Worship and Wisdom - evolutionary, personal religion which results in faith and faith assurance.

The TA's deliver personalized truth and truth assurance. As we grow in the spirit, we become weaned off of the Adjutant ministry to the exclusive truth ministry of the TA. We begin to lessen the ministry of the Adjutants as we transfer the seat of identity and we lose all contact with the Adjutants upon death and resurrection.

But only epochal revelation delivers a factual knowledge of universe reality!!

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I consider truth as any idea operable by the TA though.


It's interesting though that the revelators never use the term "idea" in describing either deity or the adjusters. Isn't that the case? If I remember, they say that the Creator Sons are "concepts" and that the Infinite Son is "The Thought" while the Infinite Spirit is "The Word" or is it "The Act"?

I wonder why "idea" is not associated with the acts and characteristics of deity. Does idea imply something that a creature does that creators do not?


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Yeah I really only meant the experiencible portion of the human individual's perception which in actuality has fermented conceptual framework. The ideas in the mind, are rather malleable, but there is a dynamic between the shaping of ideas, which ebbs and floes between the human efforts and the cosmogenic energies which do form the substance of ideas, I think. Although we are aware of certain demands that follow from "duty" cosmic citizenship. But the universe places the full responsibility for attunement on the person, attunement which determines the power of the human individual to shape ideas in increasing exactitude.

But really, ideas go between humans. There is something that happens, when human beings socialise, in certain moments each individual is allowed to shape their ideas, but of course we are drawing from divine sources through the unconscious aspect of ourselves. Therefore, the very beings in the universe which live to express certain universe concepts are not beyond the reach of this human imagination/ideational stage or "thought frame" as it is called.

And do not forget that ideas are shaped by the environment of the home, which in the beginning phases of mammalian childhood is determined by maternal and for humans paternal relationships to the child.

Ideas, what has already been shaped in the mind of the human individual. In times, the Thought Adjuster would appear very distant, unapproachable, and is this to help bring the universe into focus? The power of the Thought Adjuster is determined by the individual's ability to work(as a function of creation) in the universe. Even though we mostly think of ideas as the preexisting actualities of human comprehension, we rationally discount them by acknowledging that sudden revelation may occur, that these ideas are mere components of our mortal and material existence, and we beg for the work that will liberate us from such limitations.

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