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Hello I am intrigued by this concept for a while, "Circle Making Decision", and the unanimous encouragement that one receives from the guardian seraphim and other spiritual beings.

I have read truthbook.com's "Staff Explanation" associating this human phenomenon with the psychic circles, and I note that "the Supreme Decision" mentioned in this Paper 113 is the betrothal or human offering to the Thought Adjuster.

But is that the only contexts that are offered available for consideration, or are there more mundane contexts? Such as an electric circuit "as a circle", does the phrase imply this type of completions.


I mean, what is the context of "circle" according to the angelic perspective as mentioned in paper 113? We are not speaking in theoretical terms, "Circle-Making" implies that there are many types of circles, yes?

Can someone speak from experience or elaborate what it really means and how angels help humans to make circles, and why this is good for the world, humanity, etc?

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Very interesting question! In looking at the use of the word 'circle' in TUB, it is used in the context of all four of these dictionary definitions:


1. a closed plane curve consisting of all points at a given distance from a point within it called the center. Equation: x 2+ y 2= r 2.
2. the portion of a plane bounded by such a curve.
3. any circular or ringlike object, formation, or arrangement: a circle of dancers.
4. the area within which something acts, exerts influence, etc.; realm; sphere

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14:5.4 (158.7) When intelligent beings first attain the central universe, they are received and domiciled on the pilot world of the seventh Havona circuit. As the new arrivals progress spiritually, attain identity comprehension of their superuniverse Master Spirit, they are transferred to the sixth circle. (It is from these arrangements in the central universe that the circles of progress in the human mind have been designated.) After ascenders have attained a realization of Supremacy and are thereby prepared for the Deity adventure, they are taken to the fifth circuit; and after attaining the Infinite Spirit, they are transferred to the fourth. Following the attainment of the Eternal Son, they are removed to the third; and when they have recognized the Universal Father, they go to sojourn on the second circuit of worlds, where they become more familiar with the Paradise hosts. Arrival on the first circuit of Havona signifies the acceptance of the candidates of time into the service of Paradise. Indefinitely, according to the length and nature of the creature ascension, they will tarry on the inner circuit of progressive spiritual attainment. From this inner circuit the ascending pilgrims pass inward to Paradise residence and admission to the Corps of the Finality.


....which meaning of the word 'circle' applies?

Likewise, which definition applies here?

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49:6.8 (569.3) 2. Mortals of the individual orders of ascension. The individual progress of human beings is measured by their successive attainment and traversal (mastery) of the seven cosmic circles. These circles of mortal progression are levels of associated intellectual, social, spiritual, and cosmic-insight values. Starting out in the seventh circle, mortals strive for the first, and all who have attained the third immediately have personal guardians of destiny assigned to them. These mortals may be repersonalized in the morontia life independent of dispensational or other adjudications.


My personal interpretation is that I imagine them as concentric circles/ domains of progressive achievement, not unlike the 3 concentric circle symbol, only being 7 in number. Each of the larger domains surrounds the advancing inner domains, but all are areas or realms of achievement.

However, your question makes me wonder if 'circle' is intended to refer to definition number 1, above, the line and not the area. Hmmm .....


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I mean, what is the context of "circle" according to the angelic perspective as mentioned in paper 113? We are not speaking in theoretical terms, "Circle-Making" implies that there are many types of circles, yes?

Can someone speak from experience or elaborate what it really means and how angels help humans to make circles, and why this is good for the world, humanity, etc?


Mr. Kelly,

I cannot definitively answer your question in total but according to the direct and specific question above I believe I can offer some observations as to the question of what it really means in my personal experience. Angel involvement is so very difficult to perceive as separate from all other spirit influences so I will not address that portion of your question. I am more than reluctant to ascribe to any superior being the actions as I perceive them unless an event such as Gabriel’s visit with Mary complete with an introductory announcement were to happen. To date it has not. I have absolute confidence in my being watched over by a Guardian of Destiny.

First and foremost I think it is wise to see if we are given any insight as to what is actually perceivable in these circles. So the question becomes are they a status measurement that our Guardian Angels and Thought Adjusters can identify but not we ourselves or are they perceptible and designed to be used by our conscious minds as a sort of measurement of our progress. I imagine the following announcement, “Welcome to Psychic Circle number 1, we hope you are comfortable with your Guardian Angels and wish you a perfect journey. Please ask whatever you will and we will do our best to guide you to a proper decision.” I don’t think we can expect that kind of awareness.

A couple of quotes are pertinent, I believe. “The sum total of personality realization on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality.” Paper 110:6.1 So at their basis circle conquest is going to enable each of us to realize our personality. I see this not as a conquest of what we can do but a conquest of what we each actually are. These circles are assessing us, each of us, so they are different for each of us. “Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels — actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being.” 110:6.16.

I believe we are being told that these levels are actual achievement completions, as opposed to simple conceptual realizations. But since this is our thought adjuster guiding us our appreciation of our potential into actual is not a function of our goals being met or our best hope for success being achieved. We must be willing to achieve God’s idea of our potential not merely ours. Because of this the recognition of a level is always, at least in my experience, a surprise. And by the way, there are no signs along the way delineating the level we are on. What I have noticed, and have been able to achieve some level of confidence in making this decision, is a distinct and abrupt change in my spiritual perspective which provides an equally new idea of nearly everything in my life and which goes on as the “new me” for years. In fact I have had to reevaluate my life point by point and issue by issue each time this happens. This process makes me feel like I am repeating by growth but what it has begun to show is both the boundaries of my being and the patterns of my personality. My postulate is that we traverse our personality seven times, each time dealing with a deeper and more real understanding of it. Each time we do we add a level of reality to our character. But, mind you, it is our own individual character and personality we are growing here. This process has now happened to my recognition at least three times if not four. I actually cannot and will not say that these are circle conquests but that is my postulate as I proceed on.

So to the main question of how we can assist the process I would say; be as deeply honest with yourself as you can be and assume no success. The process of growth is unconscious but as individual’s our attitude toward growth must be, “this is my job”. Do the work. Stay with it until you are told not to by God. Don’t ever let yourself become satisfied with your progress. The goal is set by God, let him be the one to tell you; you have finished. Personality is not always a cooperator. Sometimes we have to get tough with ourselves. Stay balanced. Don’t let your experience in dealing with your own issues lag behind your worldly achievements. Learn so you may live what you learn and live that you may learn what you are. Decisions are repeated thousands of times before we achieve success.

I hope that helps.

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Okay I accept that it is the context of "human achievement", "circles of human achievement".

Thank you Jim; I will not challenge your claim to have a guardian angel but I appreciatively admire your communication.

Maybe you are correct that there are not definitive signs of cosmic/psychic progress associated with the inward journey, but there are always signs of progress. The "seven psychic circles" is one idea that I wished a further elaboration from the text, as there are only 4 out of the seven circles described, and at that only perfunctorily. I suppose it is not our place to debate the origins of the Urantia Book but I speculate that this is one subject in which there have been omissions, which I must accept.

You say that you have a guardian angel which implies you must have penetrated into at least the third circle, Jim but cite only the generic evidence {achievement, maturation, progress}, yet you say you have had to reevaluate your entire life each time how interesting. I wonder if a person making good enough notes would ever be able to demarcate certain transitional moments of individual human experience as would correspond to that type of progress. Supposing that these are religious type impulses that are motivated via unconsciousness human pathways, i.e. spiritual inductivity, then they are virtually transparent on the level of intellect/human consciousness.

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Greetings,

Allow me to offer a few thoughts to consider on the subject:

    1. Every human decision actualizes a new reality which was previously only potential. (115:3:16)
    2. Decisions made actual in accordance to God's will are spiritually real and eternal. (117:5:6)
    3. Spiritually real decisions contribute to growth of the Supreme.(117:3:6)
    4. Spiritually real decisions result in growth of the soul.(133:6:5; 67:7:5)
    5. A spiritually growing soul is developing a character more and more Godlike and hence a more stable reality in the universe. (117:5:13; 101:6:7)
    6. Every decision which actualizes a new reality in accordance with the will of God, contributes to the growth of the soul.(111:1:5; 112:2:20)
    7. Soul growth is spiritual and thus responds to spirit gravity.(7:1:11; 116:6:2)
    8. Psychic circle progress involves the united function of mind, body and spirit. (110:6:3)
    9. Psychic circle progression is in response to growth of the soul because spirit has dominance over mind and body.(110:6:9; 110:6.18; 42:12:15)
    10. Each psychic circle is larger than the last since each decision to do God's will results in an enlargement of capacity for further growth.(196:3:17; 118:6:7)


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You say that you have a guardian angel which implies you must have penetrated into at least the third circle,


Don't forget that reservists get guardians regardless of circle attainment.(114:7:2)

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8) I believe we all have guardian angels....some attain "personal" guardians eventually. Jim did not say "personal"...but may have intended to....I don't know.

113:1.6 (1242.1) In the ministry to so-called normal beings, seraphic assignments are made in accordance with the human attainment of the circles of intellectuality and spirituality. You start out in your mind of mortal investment in the seventh circle and journey inward in the task of self-understanding, self-conquest, and self-mastery; and circle by circle you advance until (if natural death does not terminate your career and transfer your struggles to the mansion worlds) you reach the first or inner circle of relative contact and communion with the indwelling Adjuster.

113:1.7 (1242.2) Human beings in the initial or seventh circle have one guardian angel with one company of assisting cherubim assigned to the watchcare and custody of one thousand mortals. In the sixth circle, a seraphic pair with one company of cherubim is assigned to guide these ascending mortals in groups of five hundred. When the fifth circle is attained, human beings are grouped in companies of approximately one hundred, and a pair of guardian seraphim with a group of cherubim is placed in charge. Upon attainment of the fourth circle, mortal beings are assembled in groups of ten, and again charge is given to a pair of seraphim, assisted by one company of cherubim.

113:1.8 (1242.3) When a mortal mind breaks through the inertia of animal legacy and attains the third circle of human intellectuality and acquired spirituality, a personal angel (in reality two) will henceforth be wholly and exclusively devoted to this ascending mortal. And thus these human souls, in addition to the ever-present and increasingly efficient indwelling Thought Adjusters, receive the undivided assistance of these personal guardians of destiny in all their efforts to finish the third circle, traverse the second, and attain the first.

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My bad....Jim did say Guardian of Destiny....not guardian angel....so his claim is a "personal" guardian.

I wonder how one ascertains one's circle progress?

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Thank you Rexford.

Mr. Kelly you have made special note of my statement of having a Destiny Guardian. As Rexford has pointed out, circle conquest is not the only trigger that initiates such. But again, how can we know for sure? The human and fact based scientific reasoning part of me says that "see, hear, feel and touch" are the methods of necessary proof. But are we not on a faith mission? Is not faith/experience destined to be the reality qualifier we use as truth seeking sons of God? Such decisions of faith that enable experiences that transcend our previous awareness should be our norm, our guide to further decisions and in doing, become the measure by which we discern reality. It is this discernment the world is lacking and it is this discernment that is our measure of our own success. Sharing that success is spiritual fruit; we can't keep fruit to ourselves. But when we do, when we allow our discernment to produce a statement like I made regarding a Destiny Guardian we must have the requisite faith/experience to support such a claim. That said, the explanation of this will never satisfy the requirements of one without faith unless some supernatural act is produced as Jesus did. Even then it didn't work.

The point is that we must focus on the manner of proof of life given by God. Faith is the experience of learning to rely on him but the confidence we achieve is personal and not easily shared even with those who "believe".

I think the answer to your question is that we as a race of Urantians will actually learn to quantify and describe circle achievement in the centuries to come. That was an interesting insight, thank you.

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Greetings,

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I wonder how one ascertains one's circle progress?


If circle mastery is dependent upon soul evolution, I doubt it would be particularly conscious. You? I suppose at some point the barrier can break and the mind could become conscious of the soul and its doings. Perhaps that is one level of progress that can be measured? I cannot say that I am aware of circle progress myself. Trying to figure out your own circle level seems a bit artificial to me. It would be like the quote from Paper 48 which says: "Affectation is the ridiculous effort of the ignorant to appear wise, the attempt of the barren soul to appear rich."

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It would be like the quote from Paper 48 which says: "Affectation is the ridiculous effort of the ignorant to appear wise, the attempt of the barren soul to appear rich."


Affectation also includes the hypocrisy of false humility. Humble yourself before God, not your brothers.

When Jim tells us he has a Destiny Guardian, I know this to be true.


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I believe you too, Rex, and I am not surprised that you lack this awareness.


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Forgot to say "Thanks" to SEla for a most interesting topic. Be gone a few days but following along.

Rexford...you crack me up. It is unfortunate some cannot see the irony of the quote you posted. Some have no humor and others are blinded by their own "brilliance" it seems.

I would say that growth is unconscious but that does not mean we cannot recognize growth achieved. Still, I have never been able to quantify or measure the quality of my prior growth. Much progress for this tadpole still to achieve....and if you're still on Urantia....a tadpole we remain yet IMO.

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It is my understanding that when Jesus washed the feet of men, he humbled himself before men. I am also convinced that by allowing himself to be crucified, Jesus humbled himself before both God and men. It is quite possible that both forms of humbleness are required in order to make circle progress. In fact, I am quite sure of it.

I find no humbleness in those who asperse the character of another person. I can see no humbleness in claiming ability to discern the destiny guardian of another person, nor do I recognize humbleness in claims of ability to discern circle status or soul growth of another person. To me, such claims reek of vanity, self-righteous superiority, the need to appear rich and wise by false means. Should I humble myself before falsehood? No, but I should humble myself before personality. Personality is of divine origin.

Being humble before God requires trust in God, a child-like mindset. Likewise, being humble before men requires trust in men. Jesus implored Andrew: "Andrew, if you trust me, trust your brethren more -" (192:2:7) Why do you suppose Jesus said to trust one another more? I think that is a very difficult thing to do, and for some almost impossible.

It is my belief that trusting one another is a means of breaking down barriers, tearing down the walls some people erect around themselves. I also think this is why Jesus said always respect the personality of another. Personality, being of divine origin, is the one gift we have which we are fully conscious of and which also makes us conscious of other personalities. It is not necessary to be looking for people's Thought Adjusters in order to know them, nor is it necessary for one's Adjuster to communicate with another's Adjuster in order to have a relationship. It is all about personality, and it is personality relations that really matter when it comes to circle-making decisions. I am quite certain that the ability to put yourself aside out of respect, humbleness and trust of another person's personality, especially during times when the urge is extremely strong to do otherwise, makes a real difference in circle progress.

Always respect the personality of man. 159:3:2

In summary, humbleness before God and man is a measure of one's ability and willingness to respect the other personality. Both God and man have personalities. Both God and man are to be loved. Hence, both human and divine relationships are necessary for soul growth and circle progress. Progress only on spiritual levels, devoting all your attention to a humble relationship with God alone will not get you there.

Likewise, overspiritual development tends to produce a fanatical and perverted interpretation of the spirit leadings of the divine indweller. 110:6:4

Circle mastery requires mastery of the entire personality in regards to all its relations with all three levels of reality, including the intellectual and social arenas. Interaction and cooperation with other personalities is critical to success. The whole purpose of the psychic circles is cosmic socialization of the personality, the highest form of personality unification. (See 56:10:14 below)

These circles of mortal progression are levels of associated intellectual, social, spiritual, and cosmic-insight values. 110:6:16

The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement. The successful traversal of these levels demands the harmonious functioning of the entire personality, not merely of some one phase thereof. The growth of the parts does not equal the true maturation of the whole; the parts really grow in proportion to the expansion of the entire self—the whole self—material, intellectual, and spiritual.  110:6.3


Every impulse of every electron, thought, or spirit is an acting unit in the whole universe. Only sin is isolated and evil gravity resisting on the mental and spiritual levels. The universe is a whole; no thing or being exists or lives in isolation. Self-realization is potentially evil if it is antisocial. It is literally true: "No man lives by himself." Cosmic socialization constitutes the highest form of personality unification. Said Jesus: "He who would be greatest among you, let him become server of all." 56:10:14

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It is my understanding that when Jesus washed the feet of men, he humbled himself before men. I am also convinced that by allowing himself to be crucified, Jesus humbled himself before both God and men. It is quite possible that both forms of humbleness are required in order to make circle progress. In fact, I am quite sure of it.


No so fast, Rex. Service to ones brother does not require condescension. Jesus allowed himself to be crucified because it was the will of Father. It was never a matter of humbling himself before his enemies. You remain confused.

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Being humble before God requires trust in God, a child-like mindset. Likewise, being humble before men requires trust in men. Jesus implored Andrew: "Andrew, if you trust me, trust your brethren more -" (192:2:7) Why do you suppose Jesus said to trust one another more? I think that is a very difficult thing to do, and for some almost impossible.


Again Rex, you are confused. Being humble is not the same as humbling yourself before men. One requires a trusting nature, the other is hypocrisy . The first is a state of being, the second requires effort and forethought, a false humility. Hypocrisy does not come naturally, it takes malice of forethought. Hypocrisy requires intense study.


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It is unfortunate some cannot see the irony of the quote you posted.


Bradly, are you confessing to seeing irony in TUB? Is Truth ironic in any way?


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I find no humbleness in those who asperse the character of another person. I can see no humbleness in claiming ability to discern the destiny guardian of another person, nor do I recognize humbleness in claims of ability to discern circle status or soul growth of another person. To me, such claims reek of vanity, self-righteous superiority, the need to appear rich and wise by false means. Should I humble myself before falsehood? No, but I should humble myself before personality. Personality is of divine origin.


Redford, do you not trust Jim when he tells you these things? Do you not trust me when I tell you these things? Are you making aspersions as to my character by saying that I reek of vanity and self-righteous superiority? Do not humble yourself before me, humble yourself before the Source of all Personality. You apparently cannot be humble before me or anyone else because you do not trust anyone.


126:2.3 Jesus cheerfully accepted the responsibilities so suddenly thrust upon him, and he carried them faithfully to the end. At least one great problem and anticipated difficulty in his life had been tragically solved—he would not now be expected to go to Jerusalem to study under the rabbis. It remained always true that Jesus “sat at no man's feet.” He was ever willing to learn from even the humblest of little children, but he never derived authority to teach truth from human sources.

Why do you and Bradly sit at the feet of a book? Does TUB claim to have feet?


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What does this mean, Rexford? You have friendships with personalities you do not trust? What is the meaning of this!


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Rexford,

In an attempt to keep this discussion on the topic as offered please address yourself to the following quote.

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It is my understanding that when Jesus washed the feet of men, he humbled himself before men. I am also convinced that by allowing himself to be crucified, Jesus humbled himself before both God and men. It is quite possible that both forms of humbleness are required in order to make circle progress. In fact, I am quite sure of it.
There is nothing in this statement that gives anyone any real hope of personal truth discovery. Why can't you tell us what personal experience led you to make this statement? How is it that you have decided to personally become "quite sure of it"? You offer no substantiation in the form requested by the topic, that of personal experience. Why not? You are willing to tell us repeatedly what the Urantia Book says as if it is the authority by which you are able to understand reality, but you refrain from sharing your own spiritual realizations. Yet it is these realizations the Urantia Book itself describes as the "supreme authority" in our lives.196.0.4

And please stop derailing the conversations with endless objections to Manny and his challenges. Either answer them from your experience of ignore him. All he is trying to do is get you to dig into your own soul's experience for answers. Please!

One more thing relative to something you said on the previous thread, you are not too old to change; you may be unwilling, but don't blame it on age. As they say out here in the country, that dog don't hunt.

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(142:6.6) Nicodemus replied: "But I do not understand—how can that be?" Said Jesus: "Can it be that you are a teacher in Israel and yet ignorant of all this? It becomes, then, the duty of those who know about the realities of the spirit to reveal these things to those who discern only the manifestations of the material world.

Brad and Rexford, has your endless obsession with the letter of the law (TUB) made you blind to its spirit? How can that be? Are you really cast in your quality control engineering mindset Rex like concrete, unable to change now or grow? And Brad, if it's ok for you to remain a tadpole, would you mind if others grow up from there to "break through the inertia of animal legacy"?


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