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So I would opine that no matter how good or how horrific something is that happens....what happens is itself far less important in the long run than the response to what happens is important. Until the response patterns change, the results remain stuck in the same human rut. This is just as true on the social and planetary level as it is on the personal level. May Father bless all victims of the evil and iniquity of others and the victims of happenstance - flood, volcanoes, drought, disease, starvation and all other material maladies which should, eventually, lead to the compassionate response of all others to serve and protect one another.

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So I would opine that no matter how good or how horrific something is that happens....what happens is itself far less important in the long run than the response to what happens is important. Until the response patterns change, the results remain stuck in the same human rut. This is just as true on the social and planetary level as it is on the personal level. May Father bless all victims of the evil and iniquity of others and the victims of happenstance - flood, volcanoes, drought, disease, starvation and all other material maladies which should, eventually, lead to the compassionate response of all others to serve and protect one another.



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Greetings Riktare,

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The reason why I think the suicide bombers have fully destroyed any possibility of life for themselves is that their religious inclinations, as intense as they may be, are essentially phenomena of the mind and emotions - the lower mind that is (and adjutants). Most or all of their energy is directed into an enormous ego element. It seems clear that they are really desperately trying to please themselves. They do not heed the Spirit of Truth which admonishes us all to minimize and control our tendencies toward self-assertion. Neither do they listen to the voice of the Adjuster.


But here's the dirty little secret about that. All evolutionary religions are sentimental, emotional reactions to the unknown. Not a single evolutionary religion on this planet can escape that problem. Only revelation can elevate a religion. The unfortunate thing is that Islam claims it is the final revelation of God to mankind. I think this is at the heart of the problem.

Evolutionary religion is sentimental, not logical. It is man’s reaction to belief in a hypothetical ghost-spirit world — the human belief-reflex, excited by the realization and fear of the unknown. 92:4:3

The next quote explains that all evolutionary religion is exactly what you say, a reaction of the adjutant level of mind. It's actually a good thing, but when it is stalled out and unable to progress, it becomes evil and deadly. A strange system of ethics and duty drive Islam today but it has not progressed to the spiritual level because it closes the door to revelation (being the final revelation from the final prophet). Personal revelation (by Adjuster) may find a way to liberate these people, but not if persistently obstructed and impeded at the level of mere conscience. It might have to wait until the next life, unfortunately.

Evolutionary religion is the outworking of the endowment of the local universe mind adjutant charged with the creation and fostering of the worship trait in evolving man. Such primitive religions are directly concerned with ethics and morals, the sense of human duty. Such religions are predicated on the assurance of conscience and result in the stabilization of relatively ethical civilizations.101:5:7
Evolutionary religion drives home to the individual the idea of personal duty; revealed religion lays increasing emphasis on loving, the golden rule. 101:5:8


In regards to the golden rule, sharia law functions at the lowest levels revealed by Jesus in Paper 147. It is a retaliatory rule of law not unlike the Code of Hammurabi, "an eye for an eye", which was abhorred by Jesus. Although some say that Islam is a tolerant religion, I can't agree. The Qu'ran allows the punishment of apostasy with death, which is about as intolerant as you can get.

But there must be wiggle room in there somewhere. The Law of Moses allows for "an eye for an eye" and you don't see very many youtube videos of Jews going on tirades chopping off people's heads to please their god. They've evolved, so there has to be hope. It must be remembered that Islam was designed to be a religion for irreverent pillaging and marauding desert tribes. It worked wonderfully 1500 years ago, but has not progressed much. If only they would accept the idea that vengeance is God's, perhaps the fury of revenge for assumed wrongs against him will abate. We can only hope.

Society early adopted the paying-back attitude of retaliation: an eye for an eye, a life for a life. The evolving tribes all recognized this right of blood vengeance. Vengeance became the aim of primitive life, but religion has since greatly modified these early tribal practices. The teachers of revealed religion have always proclaimed," 'Vengeance is mine,' says the Lord." Vengeance killing in early times was not altogether unlike present-day murders under the pretense of the unwritten law. 70:10:9

Lots to Ponder,
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Good points Rexford.

it's known by security personnel that the town where I work has at least several people (normally immigrants from the Middle East) traveling there to become Jihadists each week. There are several emergency lines where either such a person can dial in or where a friend or relative can dial in to talk to someone who will attempt to alleviate the situation. But I have my doubts, because most likely the person trying to help doesn't quite understand the basic impulse for a budding person to elevate themselves from a mundane, secular existence to a more spiritual one. Their basic urges to want to progress upward are being hijacked by those whose loyalties have been corrupted to the core unfortunately.


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There's no difference between the Jihadist Paris killers and the American Columbine type of suicide murderers.


there is no difference between (the motivation of) such one killer and the next.


But consider two things:
A) REVENGE: the nonspecificity of the group which the individual is taking revenge against; Cleebold and Harris were taking against the society they lived in.
B) ISIS: the nonidentity of ISIS being Muslim-ish, being Anti-American-ish. In fact, most "extremists" who each possess various intent are being called "ISIL" even though the proper term is "Mujjah-hadeen" for true Jihadists.

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I am only addressing the primary underlying motive of all these evil bent people. It's all rooted in a choice they've made not to cooperate with life. To be determined to be at odds with God's will. To reject reality. To murder as they go out in suicide.


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that was very tragedy..... hope that never happen again....

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