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Is it possible that this person is actually a good person?

If you consider how TUB says the Book of Revelation is an adulterated, fragmented version of John's vision, could it be that the Antichrist mentioned is actually someone who wants to do good for the world?

I mean he is for a world govt. which TUB says is one of the cures to alot of our social ills. He "reinvents" religion to worship himself, but that could be a misinterpretation of the God within doctrine with all of the other adulterations and misinterpretations of the Book of Rev.

I'm not sure what else is attributed to him, but those would be the main things which would be tell tale signs of him being the antichrist.

Or does he not exist as a real person?

Could he be the new "John the Baptist"? If JTB comes around preaching soon he will definitely raise the ire of fundamentalists, and would certainly be termed a false teacher by them.

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Hi Ben,

I say there is no antichrist at all. Not mentioned in the UB. Such an actual person would be a really big deal, a major event in human history, even if future history, that a mention would have been made, if not more.

The AC figure represented in the Bible represents chaos, evil ect....such persons with real power and real control over a mortal civilization cannot exist now, not after Jesus.

I believe this is yet another item that the various Bible writers just got wrong.


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And these conspiracy theories about a New World Order/One World Government to be headed by the Anti Christ makes it all the more difficult to create a genuine Global government that the evolving civilization of this world has come to need now which the UB has prescribed to solve these now appearing global problems.


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And these conspiracy theories about a New World Order/One World Government to be headed by the Anti Christ makes it all the more difficult to create a genuine Global government that the evolving civilization of this world has come to need now which the UB has prescribed to solve these now appearing global problems.


I agree, but anyone who comes on the global stage recommending a world government will likely be tagged as the antichrist by alot of fundamental Christians.

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Hi Ben,

I say there is no antichrist at all. Not mentioned in the UB. Such an actual person would be a really big deal, a major event in human history, even if future history, that a mention would have been made, if not more.

The AC figure represented in the Bible represents chaos, evil ect....such persons with real power and real control over a mortal civilization cannot exist now, not after Jesus.

I believe this is yet another item that the various Bible writers just got wrong.


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Hi Vann,

The 20th century has shown us plenty of people capable of creating chaos and evil, so I respectfully disagree w/ your statement above about such a person not being able to exist.

But, my whole point is what if there is such a person and they are actually good and do good?

What if the new JTB talked about in TUB comes out preaching FOGBOM and then talks world government. #1, this JTB would probably be deemed heretical for preaching FOGBOM alone, but if he supported the formation of a world government, would that not give fundamental christians fodder to call him the AC?

TUB does talk about the Book of Rev. being so far from John's original vision that it's greatly abridged and adulterated, fragmented and distorted.

I do agree that the AC is the biggest stumbling block for the formation of a world government.

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LOL have you seen how many posts you got RB... :o :wink:

I've had similar questions too for a good while, nothing makes sense much anymore...?


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Rainbow Ben wrote:

What if the new JTB talked about in TUB comes out preaching FOGBOM and then talks world government. #1, this JTB would probably be deemed heretical for preaching FOGBOM alone, but if he supported the formation of a world government, would that not give fundamental christians fodder to call him the AC?


Ummm... what may I ask, is FOGBOM? What is the JTB?

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YSMAEL wrote:
And these conspiracy theories about a New World Order/One World Government to be headed by the Anti Christ makes it all the more difficult to create a genuine Global government that the evolving civilization of this world has come to need now which the UB has prescribed to solve these now appearing global problems.


I had never heard of the New World Order being headed by the Anti-Christ, but rather by the bankers, which I'm not sure is a very good idea. It would not at all be the sovereignty of all mankind, but the sovereignty of the super rich who own everything.

I find that idea intensely distasteful.

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Amy wrote:
Rainbow Ben wrote:

What if the new JTB talked about in TUB comes out preaching FOGBOM and then talks world government. #1, this JTB would probably be deemed heretical for preaching FOGBOM alone, but if he supported the formation of a world government, would that not give fundamental christians fodder to call him the AC?


Ummm... what may I ask, is FOGBOM? What is the JTB?

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FOGBOM is the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. JTB short for John the Baptist. There is mention of another "John the Baptist" in TUB somewhere.

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FOGBOM is the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. JTB short for John the Baptist. There is mention of another "John the Baptist" in TUB somewhere.


Oh! doh!

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I heard about Joshua Ben Joseph’s Uncle Simon, but the UB never mentioned an Auntie-Christ.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH:
You know who the Anti-Christ is? He’s the little guy in the back of all our minds. The slothful animal you, the hateful you, the you who thinks all this survival and love stuff is WAAAAY too much work. The antichrist is the anti-love, the anti-reality, the anti-survival. We’ve all met the guy a few times in our lives. I know he’s still lurking around in the back of my mind!
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I heard about Joshua Ben Joseph’s Uncle Simon, but the UB never mentioned an Auntie-Christ.

SERIOUSLY THOUGH:
You know who the Anti-Christ is? He’s the little guy in the back of all our minds. The slothful animal you, the hateful you, the you who thinks all this survival and love stuff is WAAAAY too much work. The antichrist is the anti-love, the anti-reality, the anti-survival. We’ve all met the guy a few times in our lives. I know he’s still lurking around in the back of my mind!
:mrgreen:
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Yeah, I would have to agree with that. I was the anti-christ today for about 30 minutes, but I came to my senses and did not follow through with my evil deed. I still want to see this happen to this person though. They owe me over $1,200, and might cause me to abdicate my professional license.

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p1263:3 115:3.16 The final dynamics of the cosmos have to do with the continual transfer of reality from potentiality to actuality. In theory, there may be an end to this metamorphosis, but in fact, such is impossible since the Potential and the Actual are both encircuited in the Original (the I AM), and this identification makes it forever impossible to place a limit on the developmental progression of the universe. Whatsoever is identified with the I AM can never find an end to progression since the actuality of the potentials of the I AM is absolute, and the potentiality of the actuals of the I AM is also absolute. Always will actuals be opening up new avenues of the realization of hitherto impossible potentials—every human decision not only actualizes a new reality in human experience but also opens up a new capacity for human growth. The man lives in every child, and the morontia progressor is resident in the mature God-knowing man.


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Neither antichrist nor the book of Revelation has much more to do with the teachings of TUB than does discussing the thousands of Hindu gods. TUB doesn't validate all aspects of Christian dogma -- there is material in the Bible that has no basis in truth or fact. John had a great revelation -- we don't know how or why -- and, if you believe TUB, what's come down to us is so distorted it makes even less sense than when John tried to record it.


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I didn't find the part where it said his visions as reported in the Bible were messed up. But I seem to remember it. But I do remember reading these things and imagining how it may have looked and been expressed by a human consciousness from 2000 years ago. :smile:

P.513 - §4 At the center of the seven angelic residential circles on Jerusem is located the headquarters of the Urantia advisory council, the four and twenty counselors. John the Revelator called them the four and twenty elders: "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats, and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment." The throne in the center of this group is the judgment seat of the presiding archangel, the throne of the resurrection roll call of mercy and justice for all Satania. This judgment seat has always been on Jerusem, but the twenty-four surrounding seats were placed in position no more than nineteen hundred years ago, soon after Christ Michael was elevated to the full sovereignty of Nebadon. These four and twenty counselors are his personal agents on Jerusem, and they have authority to represent the Master Son in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system. They are the designated agents for executing the special requests of Gabriel and the unusual mandates of Michael.

P.513 - §5 These twenty-four counselors have been recruited from the eight Urantia races, and the last of this group were assembled at the time of the resurrection roll call of Michael, nineteen hundred years ago. This Urantia advisory council is made up of the following members:


P.539 - §3 The reception of a new class of mansion world graduates is the signal for all Jerusem to assemble as a committee of welcome. Even the spornagia enjoy the arrival of these triumphant ascenders of evolutionary origin, those who have run the planetary race and finished the mansion world progression. Only the physical controllers and Morontia Power Supervisors are absent from these occasions of rejoicing.

P.539 - §4 John the Revelator saw a vision of the arrival of a class of advancing mortals from the seventh mansion world to their first heaven, the glories of Jerusem. He recorded: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and those who had gained the victory over the beast that was originally in them and over the image that persisted through the mansion worlds and finally over the last mark and trace, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God, and singing the song of deliverance from mortal fear and death." (Perfected space communication is to be had on all these worlds; and your anywhere reception of such communications is made possible by carrying the "harp of God," a morontia contrivance compensating for the inability to directly adjust the immature morontia sensory mechanism to the reception of space communications.)

P.539 - §5 Paul also had a view of the ascendant-citizen corps of perfecting mortals on Jerusem, for he wrote: "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the grand assembly of Michael, and to the spirits of just men being made perfect."

Peace all. I'll look some more RB. :smile:

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