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Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:17 pm +0000

the tectonic geology of the eastern mediterranean is complicated and not well understood...there are a number of minor plates and terranes between the major european and african plates...but current science is pretty clear that cyprus is composed of former ocean crust material and was upthrust millions of years ago. about the only thing i've ever found that jives with the UB account is major volcanic eruptions, possibly the biggest ever in europe, across italy and the aegean during the time period ascribed to the gradual sinking event...and possibly the Homs Gap in syria being the former river location. hard to say though with 30,000 years of deposition and erosion.

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:50 am +0000

Good points all, Sela, Makalu,

Looks like there may be a rising and falling ridgeline that is squeezed by opposing plates, on several sides!

https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/ts/files/2017/07/fig1-e1499763025938.jpg
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Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:05 am +0000

What we have so far omitted from our calculus, is the speculation about reservation for 300,000 of the pureline offspring.

If we know the (ideal) land-person ratio (involved in Solonia's estimate), we can actually calculate the approximate area reserved for the Eastern lands of Eden, the space where the tributaries would join, which would include some of the footlands but not the coastal slopes.

I would try to reveal this picture by solving this formula. This would give you the relative scale. Simply multiply the estimated final population by the land-person ratio.

So what is the land-person ratio used in this estimate?

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:33 am +0000

SEla_Kelly wrote:What we have so far omitted from our calculus, is the speculation about reservation for 300,000 of the pureline offspring.

If we know the (ideal) land-person ratio (involved in Solonia's estimate), we can actually calculate the approximate area reserved for the Eastern lands of Eden, the space where the tributaries would join, which would include some of the footlands but not the coastal slopes.

I would try to reveal this picture by solving this formula. This would give you the relative scale. Simply multiply the estimated final population by the land-person ratio.

So what is the land-person ratio used in this estimate?



Hmmm...That's an interesting approach, Sela. Maybe you are referring to the 500,000 mentioned here:

73:7.3 (827.2) The Melchizedeks counseled Adam not to initiate the program of racial uplift and blending until his own family had numbered one-half million.

They designed Eden with a capacity of 1,000,000:

73:5.1 (824.5) ...The architectural plans for Eden provided homes and abundant land for one million human beings.

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:17 am +0000

SEla_Kelly wrote:What we have so far omitted from our calculus, is the speculation about reservation for 300,000 of the pureline offspring.

If we know the (ideal) land-person ratio (involved in Solonia's estimate), we can actually calculate the approximate area reserved for the Eastern lands of Eden, the space where the tributaries would join, which would include some of the footlands but not the coastal slopes.

I would try to reveal this picture by solving this formula. This would give you the relative scale. Simply multiply the estimated final population by the land-person ratio.

So what is the land-person ratio used in this estimate?


Good question. Have you calculated an answer? Should the coastal mountains be included? Or just the valley proper?

We might assume 1 acre per person. So, 1,000,000. Which equals: 1562 square miles. Larger than Delaware. Present day Cyprus is 3572...

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:22 pm +0000

The idea that Eden "sunk" does not imply that it "sunk into ubiquitoy". God is Omnipotent, that He could "wipe" a city from the face of the earth, but the Urantia Papers' authors repeatedly insist that both Dalamatia & Eden sank according to natural events. There must be a real pattern under the floor, which indicates Eden of Urantia, specifically the shattered dispersion pattern below the mud. Although God is unsearchable, Eden is searchable to geologists and archaeologists.[/quote]

Robert Sarmast makes a case for this in his book: Discovery of Atlantis.
I think its available at Square Circles?

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:53 pm +0000

Thanks for the correction Rick. The valley proper is included. The coastal mountains would not be included, especially the outer slopes would not be included.

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:35 pm +0000

no sophist wrote:The idea that Eden "sunk" does not imply that it "sunk into ubiquitoy". God is Omnipotent, that He could "wipe" a city from the face of the earth, but the Urantia Papers' authors repeatedly insist that both Dalamatia & Eden sank according to natural events. There must be a real pattern under the floor, which indicates Eden of Urantia, specifically the shattered dispersion pattern below the mud. Although God is unsearchable, Eden is searchable to geologists and archaeologists.


Robert Sarmast makes a case for this in his book: Discovery of Atlantis.
I think its available at Square Circles?[/quote]

Some interesting videos at google search "youtube robert sarmast atlantis" !

Robert believes Garden and Atlantis are the same.

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Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:10 pm +0000

fanofVan wrote:
no sophist wrote:The idea that Eden "sunk" does not imply that it "sunk into ubiquitoy". God is Omnipotent, that He could "wipe" a city from the face of the earth, but the Urantia Papers' authors repeatedly insist that both Dalamatia & Eden sank according to natural events. There must be a real pattern under the floor, which indicates Eden of Urantia, specifically the shattered dispersion pattern below the mud. Although God is unsearchable, Eden is searchable to geologists and archaeologists.


Robert Sarmast makes a case for this in his book: Discovery of Atlantis.
I think its available at Square Circles?


Some interesting videos at google search "youtube robert sarmast atlantis" !

Robert believes Garden and Atlantis are the same.

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thx

Re: Ch-art of The First Garden of Eden

Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:39 pm +0000

The story of Atlantis is passed down to Socrates from Solonia. This speaks of the "Antediluvian Age", which is mentioned in the Urantia Book through the boatbuilder Noah of Aram. Again, five thousand years ago, the climate was far more temperate in the Sahara, and many of the ancient salt lakes surrounding this area are facing higher salinity % today, literally evaporating.



But sometimes these bodies of salt-water are also a clue to the face of the Mediterranean, if not during the Garden of Eden Urantia than during ancient times.

It is interesting to hear experts estimate how long the lakes haves been separated from ancient seas. And to develop a picture of mesopotamia 50,000 years ago.
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