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selected quotes from the Urantia Book paper 81:

The continent richest in natural deposits and the most advanced mechanical equipment will make little progress if the intelligence of its people is on the decline. Knowledge can be had by education, but wisdom, which is indispensable to true culture, can be secured only through experience and by men and women who are innately intelligent. Such a people are able to learn from experience; they may become truly wise. Much depends on the wisdom displayed in the utilization of natural resources, scientific knowledge, capital goods, and human potentials. The progress of civilization is directly related to the development and possession of tools, machines, and channels of distribution. Improved tools, ingenious and efficient machines, determine the survival of contending groups in the arena of advancing civilization. Machines have begun to displace men, and every such advance is directly contributory to the progress of society because it liberates man power for the accomplishment of more valuable tasks. Science, guided by wisdom, may become man's great social liberator. A mechanical age can prove disastrous only to a nation whose intellectual level is too low to discover those wise methods and sound techniques for successfully adjusting to the transition difficulties arising from the sudden loss of employment by large numbers consequent upon the too rapid invention of new types of laborsaving machinery.

Society is not a divine institution; it is a phenomenon of progressive evolution; and advancing civilization is always delayed when its leaders are slow in making those changes in the social organization which are essential to keeping pace with the scientific developments of the age. For all that, things must not be despised just because they are old, neither should an idea be unconditionally embraced just because it is novel and new. Man should be unafraid to experiment with the mechanisms of society. But always should these adventures in cultural adjustment be controlled by those who are fully conversant with the history of social evolution; and always should these innovators be counseled by the wisdom of those who have had practical experience in the domains of contemplated social or economic experiment. No great social or economic change should be attempted suddenly. Time is essential to all types of human adjustment--physical, social, or economic. Only moral and spiritual adjustments can be made on the spur of the moment, and even these require the passing of time for the full outworking of their material and social repercussions. The ideals of the race are the chief support and assurance during the critical times when civilization is in transit from one level to another.


From my POV, we are in a time of transition and the people at the Venus Project may (or may not) be students of the Urantia Papers, but are in fact doing their part to work towards the Age of Light and Life.

What is the Venus Project?

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The Venus Project operates out of a 21.5-acre Research Center located in Venus, Florida.

When one considers the enormity of the challenges facing society today, we can safely conclude that the time is long overdue for us to reexamine our values, and to reflect upon and evaluate some of the underlying issues and assumptions we have as a society. This self-analysis calls into question the very nature of what it means to be human, what it means to be a member of a "civilization," and what choices we can make today to ensure a prosperous future for all the world's people.

At present we are left with very few alternatives. The answers of yesterday are no longer relevant. Either we continue as we have been with our outmoded social customs and habits of thought, in which case our future will be threatened, or we can apply a more appropriate set of values that are relevant to an emergent society.

Experience tells us that human behavior can be modified, either toward constructive or destructive activity. This is what The Venus Project is all about - directing our technology and resources toward the positive, for the maximum benefit of people and planet and seeking out new ways of thinking and living that emphasize and celebrate the vast potential of the human spirit. We have the tools at hand to design - and build - a future that is worthy of the human potential. The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. What follows is not an attempt to predict what will be done - only what could be done. The responsibility for our future is in our hands, and depends on the decisions that we make today. The greatest resource that is available today is our own ingenuity.

While social reformers and think tanks formulate strategies that treat only superficial symptoms, without touching the basic social operation, The Venus Project approaches these problems somewhat differently. We feel we cannot eliminate these problems within the framework of the present political and monetary establishment. It would take too many years to accomplish any significant change. Most likely they would be watered down and thinned out to such an extent that the changes would be indistinguishable

The Venus Project advocates an alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any social system that has gone before. Although this description is highly condensed, it is based upon years of study and experimental research by many, many people from many scientific disciplines.

The Venus Project proposes a fresh approach--one that is dedicated to human and environmental concerns. It is an attainable vision of a bright and better future, one that is appropriate to the times in which we live, and both practical and feasible for a positive future for all the world's people.

The Venus Project calls for a straightforward approach to the redesign of a culture, in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt, environmental degradation and unnecessary human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but totally unacceptable.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.

Throughout history, change has been slow. Successive groups of incompetent leaders have replaced those that preceded them, but the underlying social and economic problems remain because the basic value systems have gone unaltered. The problems we are faced with today cannot be solved politically or financially because they are highly technical in nature. There may not even be enough money available to pay for the required changes, but there are more than enough resources. This is why The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.

We realize to make the transition from our present culture, which is politically incompetent, scarcity-oriented and obsolete, to this new, more humane society will require a quantum leap in both thought and action.

An Obsolete Monetary System

The money-based system evolved centuries ago. All of the world's economic systems - socialism, communism, fascism, and even the vaunted free enterprise system - perpetuate social stratification, elitism, nationalism, and racism, primarily based on economic disparity. As long as a social system uses money or barter, people and nations will seek to maintain the economic competitive edge or, if they cannot do so by means of commerce they will by military intervention. We still utilize these same outmoded methods.

Our current monetary system is not capable of providing a high standard of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the environment because the major motive is profit. Strategies such as downsizing and toxic dumping increase the profit margin. With the advent of automation, cybernation, artificial intelligence and out sourcing, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by machines. As a result, fewer people will be able to purchase goods and services even though our capability to produce an abundance will continue to exist.

Our present, outmoded political and economic systems are unable to apply the real benefits of today's innovative technology to achieve the greatest good for all people, and to overcome the inequities imposed upon so many. Our technology is racing forward yet our social designs have remained relatively static. In other words cultural change has not kept pace with technological change. We now have the means to produce goods and services in abundance for everyone.

Unfortunately, today science and technology have been diverted from achieving the greatest good for reasons of self-interest and monetary gain through planned obsolescence sometimes referred to as the conscious withdrawal of efficiency. For example, the U. S. Department of Agriculture, whose function is presumed to be conducting research into ways of achieving higher crop yields per acre, actually pays farmers not to produce at full-capacity. The monetary system tends to hold back the application of these methods that we know would best serve the interests of people and the environment.

In a monetary system purchasing power is not related to our capacity to produce goods and services. For example, during a depression, there are computers and DVD's on store shelves and automobiles in car lots, but most people do not have the purchasing power to buy them. The earth is still the same place; it is just the rules of the game that are obsolete and create strife, deprivation and unnecessary human suffering.

A monetary system developed years ago as a device to control human behavior in an environment with limited resources. Today money is used to regulate the economy not for the benefit of the general populace, but for those who control the financial wealth of nations.

All social systems, regardless of political philosophy, religious beliefs, or social customs, ultimately depend upon natural resources, i.e. clean air and water, arable land and the necessary technology and personnel to maintain a high standard of living.

Simply stated, a Resource-Based Economy utilizes existing resources rather than money and provides an equitable method of distributing these resources in the most efficient manner for the entire population. It is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude.

Earth is abundant with plentiful resources; today our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival. Modern society has access to highly advanced technologies and can make available food, clothing, housing, medical care, a relevant educational system, and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy such as geothermal, solar, wind, tidal, etc. It is now possible to have everyone enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities that a prosperous civilization can provide. This can be accomplished through the intelligent and humane application of science and technology.

A Resource-Based Economy would make it possible to use technology to overcome scarce resources by applying renewable sources of energy, computerizing and automating manufacturing and inventory, designing safe energy-efficient cities and advanced transportation systems, providing universal health care and more relevant education, and most of all by generating a new incentive system based on human and environmental concern.

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Randy I looked at TVP link and noticed they were asking for a monetary donation. What's up with that? It seems inconsistent with their mission to abandon the monetary system.
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You'll have to ask them, Ray. The Urantia Foundation solicits me for donations about twice a year which seems inconsistent with the teachings of the Urantia Book. Didn't you say earlier in this thread that "perhaps we should wait and see how Bernie advances before we "judge" his motives. The business of business has moral, immoral and amoral participants. The same is true of all other organizations of humans." Maybe like Haisch, the Venus Project (and the Urantia Foundation) must work within the current system and can't attempt great social and economic changes too suddenly. Abandoning the current monetary system is oh-so-necessary but can't be done over night. But, IMO it will happen.

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I agree. Slow, steady and measured progress is best.


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How do you suggest Urantia Foundation support itself Rheman? Do you believe UF shouldn't exist?

Fraternally, Rick



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I heard the money god is dying,
I heard the money god is dead.

And with him died the Banksters
who tried to rule the world.

Now let's close the banks
And open our hearts to LOVE

Whose sacred abundance we unfurl!

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I'm not asking for any donations, but I would like to respectfully ask members of this forum to consider signing the petition to abolish the Federal Reserve System. Perhaps, if we can do this, worthy inventors like Bernard Haisch, and worthy institutions like the Urantia Foundation and the Venus Project, will no longer need to ask for donations to support themselves...

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Hello friends,

As usual O:) We need look no further than our Urantia Books to find the answer to most of the problems brought up on our.....Urantia Book forum :wink:

Capitalism and materialism are only temporary systems which serves mankind for a while. Then it will be found that they no longer serve us and will be replaced by something better and more effective as civilization progresses. But we must await a time when substantially greater numbers of the world's peoples are more spiritualized before radical adjustments in the other segments of life are undertaken. A ready-made better way handed over on a silver platter cannot be forced upon a group that does not desire it.

I think capitalism and materialism shall only be found to be bankrupt when viewed by a spiritually advanced society. This will be the only way that the greed factor is removed from the profit motive. This will be the only way that altruism replaces personal gain perogatives.

Our coming planetary economic and material destiny, the immediate system that would replace our current capitalistic model, will probably look something like what the Mighty Messenger observed functioning on a first stage Light and Life world.

"Human government in the conduct of material affairs continues to function throughout this age of relative progress and perfection. The public activities of a world in the first stage of light and life which I recently visited were financed by the tithing technique. Every adult worker -- and all able-bodied citizens worked at something -- paid ten percent of his income or increase to the public treasury, and it was disbursed as follows:

1. Three per cent was expended in the promotion of truth--science, education and philosophy.
2. Three per cent was devoted to beauty--play, social leisure, and art.
3. Three per cent was dedicated to goodness--social service, altruism, and religion.
4. One per cent was assigned to the insurance reserves agianst the risk of incapacity for labor resultant from accident, disease, old age, or unpreventable disasters.

The natural resources of this planet were administered as social possessions, community property."

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That's a good solution Vann,

And here's praying a better system evolves, Rhermen. But nothing will shift until values shift from the profit motive to the service motive. The Fed, the IMF, WB, industry and military all reflect our average values. Changing the mode of planetary thinking is evolutionary, we need time to change.

This one sentence captures, encapsulates, so much wisdom, foresight and insight that I can only marvel at the authors and editors. It's another reason to believe this astonishing book.

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...At first life was a struggle for existence; now, for a standard of living; next it will be for quality of thinking, the coming earthly goal of human existence.... p910


There is emerging a model. A reader friend said a stock market for service motivated companies has been established. When people begin putting their cash in it, we will have upleveled our collective thinking. And the so called 'green' movement seems to be headed in a good direction, tho profiteering surely will assert itself there too, until humans adopt a higher motive.

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[I've done some pruning here rhermen. The topic you started on this same theme was deleted because it's political opinion -- maybe I should have instead deleted the content and left the post up saying explicitly to pay attention to posting guidelines rather than deleting the topic without comment and leaving you to wonder. Political discussion of any manner on these discussion boards has to fall within discussion of Urantia Book concepts. Personal political opinion is unacceptable.
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rhermen wrote:
"The natural resources of this planet were administered as social possessions, community property (625)."

This seems to be exactly what the Venus Project advocates. It is my position that if one person craves riches, wealth, and prosperity; that person must remember that all other people long for the same prosperity. Groups of such wealth loving mortals cannot live together in peace without becoming subservient to such wealth as will grant each person the same degree of riches while at the same time safeguarding an equal degree of prosperity for all of his fellow mortals. If one person is to be absolutely rich, then another must become absolutely poor. And the relative nature of wealth is true socially, economically, and politically. Wealth and prosperity is the gift of Our True Father made possible by the sacred abundance he has bestowed through unconditional LOVE. It has nothing to do with money. Money was created by those who wish to play god.



Yes yes Randy you state the obvious for us here. We all get it. What remains is what to do about it. How to attempt the spiritualization of the whole planet, spreading the real message of love....to get everyone on the new "same page." That would be the dissemination of The Urantia Book. Pointing out symptoms is useless without also proffering the cure to the underlying disease.

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Vann (or should I say Woody?)

The Venus Project is one potential solution and many people are doing something about it. This is also why I posted an essay which has been subsequently deleted.

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Hi Randy, you may call me Betsy if you like...just don't call me late for supper Image


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I apologize to all for failing to keep this thread on focus toward the original intent - that scientists with a spiritual foundation do exist and not all of them are atheists or agnostics. We should nurture them and encourage them to continue to speak courageously on behalf of a purposeful creator so that the fellowship within the scientific community is strengthened and enlarged.

I think we must be patient in this effort as the age of materialism makes way for a new age of spiritual rediscovery.

As has been noted in this thread, a few of us have shared parts of TUB with Dr. Haisch and I can't help but think this sharing is appreciated by him and he has taken note of the insights available in TUB.

Bro Dave has suggested elsewhere on these forums that we need to tend the garden of progress with faithful watering, weeding, and prayers of a future bountiful harvest. I agree with his thoughtful theme.

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rhermen wrote:
[I've done some pruning here rhermen. The topic you started on this same theme was deleted because it's political opinion -- maybe I should have instead deleted the content and left the post up saying explicitly to pay attention to posting guidelines rather than deleting the topic without comment and leaving you to wonder. Political discussion of any manner on these discussion boards has to fall within discussion of Urantia Book concepts. Personal political opinion is unacceptable.
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An erroneous opinion Larry. It is not about politics. The essay is about a current and ongoing injustice which admittedly is not framed within the context of the Urantia Book. The paper is intended to prove in academic terms that the FED is not actually part of our government at all. To put it within the context of TUB, I would state that Federal Reserve Notes have been created by the private owners of the Federal Reserve System franchise for the purpose of promoting and strengthening the virus of national sovereignty. Since paper 71 tells us that the power and authority of any government is derived by consent of the people, it is up to us to correct this injustice. Abolishing the FED would greatly reduce this injustice called "the virus of national sovereignty" by the Urantia Papers.

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Randy, why do you feel it necessary to walk all over others posts with your unrelated rants of discontent? Please, keep your comments on focus or start your rants elsewhere. This is not an unreasonable request. Ray


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