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Well....I don't want you to wonder. This is from a prior post of mine on another topic where you wondered the same.....

"The UB claims it includes over 1000 of humanity's highest concepts originated by humanity and contains over 2000 direct, if unattributed, quotes from human sources. The UB is itself a witness and gives its own testimony to the fact that truth may be found everywhere and anywhere in mortal experience....the UB claims no exclusivity to truth and I've not read a single poster here who makes such a claim either. I still read the Tao, and study Zen koans, and read the Dali Lama, Gibran, and the Bible and poetry (especially cowboy poetry) and biblical apocrypha, etc. There is obviously great scholarship diversity here with many regular contributors who quote other books as we discuss the wide spectrum of knowledge articulated in the UB."

A truth seeker and Paradise Pilgrim, even a tadpole like me, finds wonder and delight and truth in many places. Such was true before the UB came to hand....and since....thanks for asking.

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It is easy to see the appeal about this issue. Men in society are not as interested in a interplanetary communication as we are space colonisation. It is one thing to recognise a plethora of extraphysical beings who come from other worlds, but what about other humanoids, or physically oriented intelligent beings, whom we may encounter on earth or beyond the atmosphere? We want to know what we stand against as equals in the universe.

As far as the Urantia Papers are concerned, there is no mention that extraterrestrials built the pyramids. There is very scant reference to any ancient structures: the tower of Dilmun, the Wall of Dalamatia; these were built by human efforts. Further. When ascending creatures were commissioned to the Urantia they assumed our human forms, bodies were reserved for them out of our own likeness.

The challenge is to treat spiritual encounters as real, receiving momentary guidance from such creatures as would hail from distant worlds but be home here on Urantia. Perhaps it is just a game, or perhaps too sublime for noticable perception, but I would wager that such encounters happen more often than we could guess.

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I think when we finally confirm that life exist elsewhere in the universe, the fear of being invaded by aliens will force us Urantians (earthlings) to unite and be as one and finally form a truly global government and set aside our racial and religious differences to prepare for that feared alien invasion. That is if by that time the UB has not become the bible of this world.


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Life has already been confirmed elsewhere in the universe. That was confirmed when its Sovereign appeared among us 2K years ago.

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd"
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The "alien" who visited this planet was it's loving Father.

Oh yeah, some feared what he said so they killed him.


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And another thing:

Now some more insist this killing occurred so that their spiritual indolence can be circumvented by a fools notion of the "atonement" of blood.

His blood.


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mutant wrote:
Is there any confirmation or debunking of extraterrestrial contact to be found within TUB?

The Urantia Book IS an alien visitation to this planet.

The question I keep asking is, how long before we as a planet start heeding what it says. In particular, notwithstanding all that it says for real spiritual progress individually, what it says and suggests (without revealing too much information which would be "unearned") about how we as a race can better administer our planet.

For example, Paper 72 is an astounding outline for immediately improving everything. Yet, in my experience with other readers, the practical application of what is revealed in Paper 72 is ignored. No discussion. It seems nobody cares or is aware of its value as a template for planetary improvement. Paper 72 is included in the Urantia Book for a specific reason, don't ya think?

Given the state of the many terrible and regrettable turn of current events in the world, isn't it time for the world's leadership to take the instruction of Paper 72 seriously?

There is no way those who are in positions of power aren't aware of the Urantia Book. At least some who can make a difference that is.


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So many wait for the second alien coming, to straighten things out.

He already came. We killed him.

Now, since we can read, we have a book he sent that tells us what to do instead.

So far, not many care.

It's not enough.


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nodAmanaV wrote:
Now, since we can read, we have a book he sent that tells us what to do instead.


Are you sure that Michael had a hand in sending us The Urantia Book?

Gabriel definitely had a part in sponsoring TUB, but I have not read anything about Michael having an active part in bringing about this revelation.

Do you have evidence otherwise? We can only assume that TUB had Michael's blessing but we really do not know.


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33.4.3
This supernal personality embraces the divine will of the Son combined with the creative imagination of the Spirit. The thoughts and acts of the Bright and Morning Star will ever be fully representative of both the Creator Son and the Creative Spirit. 


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SEla_Kelly wrote:

It is easy to see the appeal about this issue. Men in society are not as interested in a interplanetary communication as we are space colonisation. It is one thing to recognise a plethora of extraphysical beings who come from other worlds, but what about other humanoids, or physically oriented intelligent beings, whom we may encounter on earth or beyond the atmosphere? We want to know what we stand against as equals in the universe.

As far as the Urantia Papers are concerned, there is no mention that extraterrestrials built the pyramids. There is very scant reference to any ancient structures: the tower of Dilmun, the Wall of Dalamatia; these were built by human efforts. Further. When ascending creatures were commissioned to the Urantia they assumed our human forms, bodies were reserved for them out of our own likeness.

The challenge is to treat spiritual encounters as real, receiving momentary guidance from such creatures as would hail from distant worlds but be home here on Urantia. Perhaps it is just a game, or perhaps too sublime for noticable perception, but I would wager that such encounters happen more often than we could guess.


Me here: I appreciate your perspective on the ancient engineering capabilities and the Prince's staff. In keeping with the mandate here at TruthBook to study the actual contents of the text related to fact, I am confused by your last paragraph however. I would appreciate any quotes you might provide related to "spiritual encounters" and "receiving momentary guidance" from creatures "as would hail from distant worlds". According to my understanding and reading of the Papers, only the spirits of the Mother, Son, and Father (which are indistinguishable from one another in mortal mind) bring "guidance" to the individual mortals of time and space...meaning there are no "spirit guides" or mortal or celestial "teachers" that one might "encounter"...but I am eager to read otherwise if you would reference the UB accordingly. Thank you.


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So many wait for the second alien coming, to straighten things out.

He already came. We killed him.

Now, since we can read, we have a book he sent that tells us what to do instead.

So far, not many care.

It's not enough.



Me here: While I appreciate your attempted levity and irony here, I think you are truly confusing terms and definitions already established here. Celestials and Divinity and Creators are NOT aliens which are other mortal beings who reside on their original planet of mortal birth and travel via mortal designed and built space craft. The UB is not an alien, Michael is not an alien, and certainly are Midwayers NOT aliens (or angels, etc.)

Also, the UB does not "tell us what to do". It tells us how things are and work and came to be and will become and our potential place within that reality. The UB does give guidance as to proper motives and responses and priorities and the obstacles to success...but not WHAT to do. One may do many different things and live very unique and personalized lives. The commandments of what to do and what not to do are the old and primitive method which Jesus set the world free of. The UB takes up the Good News; it does not revert to the old ways at all.

So I find two issues here - your befuddlements related to what/who is an "alien" at all according to the definition given by mutant who began this topic; and the second is that the UB is a rule book. Both issues muddle the conversation.

Thanks to Jim George for the on-spot quote....Michael indeed rules Nebadon and nothing is done without Him on this Shrine of Nebadon.

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I will respond, but first I emphasize that the topic is more closely related to humans socialisation with other humanoids, either in this world or in the morontia spheres to come. The curiousity and wonderment that we have towards other physical and intelligent beings is something that brings tolerance and discovery when approached appropriately.


Guidance as from extracorporeal beings besides the Father, the Son or the Creative spirit. Firstly, I declare that this is through mostly the indwelling of the individuated Thought Adjuster (Father), or through the Creative Spirit's circuits (the holy spirit & the spirit of truth). The latter, the spirit of truth or holy spirit presence, I regard as an endowment rather than an interaction.

But intercommnication involves an act of socialisation distinct from the differentials (i.e. the reception of Holy Spirit or Spirit or Truth) that are posed within the human mind. In the previous post, I said it is perhaps possible. You do not want me to explain my view but only insomuch that the Urantia Papers verify this actuality.

I will begin: Jesus "lived as if in the presence of the Eternal"; The truth of man's intercommunication with other spiritual beings consists in the psychic connotation of "socialisation" which is a main topic of Urantia Papers as well as Wm. Sadler's own view. UB 56:10.14 "Cosmic socialization constitutes the highest form of personality unification." UB 74:7.2 "The entire purpose of the western school system of the Garden was socialization." (The circumstance in prior quotation is the socialisation of evolutionary & nonevolutionary human.)

The bulk of cosmic adjustments pertaining to humanity's interactions with other sentient creatures is in the Urantia Paper 113: Seraphic Planetary Government: learning to live tolerably with others, learning to accept cherub and other angelic corps members as teachers, guides. I do not wish to overstep the guidelines of quorum in this discussion, but as is pertinent to this topic I am suggesting that the subject itself relates to these types of social adjustments. It is not that we will encounter "aliens" as visitations to this planet, but surely we shall meet others who are like us in the worlds to come.

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Jim George wrote:
33.4.3
This supernal personality embraces the divine will of the Son combined with the creative imagination of the Spirit. The thoughts and acts of the Bright and Morning Star will ever be fully representative of both the Creator Son and the Creative Spirit. 



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Thanks to Jim George for the on-spot quote....Michael indeed rules Nebadon and nothing is done without Him on this Shrine of Nebadon.


Thanks to Jim and Bradly. However, how do you explain the deeds of Lucifer and the other rebels? Bradly, you stated that "nothing is done without Him on this Shrine of Nebadon? How do you explain why Gabriel wanted decisive action against the rebels and Michael chose not to intervene for so long? Is there never a time when Fathers (Creator Sons as Fathers) and their Sons can have honest disagreements and differences in opinions on strategies and tactics?

I think that the key word in the quote Jim gave is "representative". My Senator is my representative in the Congress and he does not always follow my wishes. How much free-will and autonomy does a "representative" wield. Obviously the rebels were allowed to rebel. It is true that Michael had not yet earned full sovereignty of Nebadon at the time of the rebellion and should this has made a difference?

Was TUB a revelation of the willing? Were there some that were unwilling to get involved in this revelation?

Just some honest inquiry for discussion.


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Could it be that compared to Gabriel, Lucifer's pay grade was a bit more than minimum wage?

Feel the burn.


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Thank you SEla for the clarification. I heartily agree that one of the experiences that we are tasked with is socialization with one another as fellow mortals and in time to come, with every form of mortal-born and celestial and Divine person. This is our destiny...to learn to love one another and serve one another as family members in a friendly universe. We are taught by the Master that we are to embrace those of other traditions, evolutionary religions, creeds, beliefs, etc. for the experience and wisdom that is potential thereby. Well said.

To Manny - perhaps you could explore your suspicions of Gabriel and other celestial conspiracies on another thread? Your prior claims against Gabriel are legendary here on multiple topics and posts...as misguided as they may be. The Most Highs rule this world Manny....are they, like Gabriel, rogues in the Nebadon gallery too?! Do you think any epochal revelation is without adequate planning and supervision and authority....or just this one? You have prior claimed you know the faults and frailties of this first born son of Nebadon and doubt his wisdom and his position of authority and knowledge of Michael's will during the rebellion. Doubt and suspect all you wish Manny.

Gabriel is not an elected position and his form of "representation" is described well enough. Read the quote again -
"....The thoughts and acts of the Bright and Morning Star will ever be fully representative of both the Creator Son and the Creative Spirit."

The very thoughts and the acts of Gabriel are ever "fully" representative....you find something ambiquous about that statement?

33:4.1 (369.4) The Bright and Morning Star is the personalization of the first concept of identity and ideal of personality conceived by the Creator Son and the local universe manifestation of the Infinite Spirit. Going back to the early days of the local universe, before the union of the Creator Son and the Mother Spirit in the bonds of creative association, back to the times before the beginning of the creation of their versatile family of sons and daughters, the first conjoint act of this early and free association of these two divine persons results in the creation of the highest spirit personality of the Son and the Spirit, the Bright and Morning Star.

33:4.2 (369.5) Only one such being of wisdom and majesty is brought forth in each local universe. The Universal Father and the Eternal Son can, in fact do, create an unlimited number of Sons in divinity equal to themselves; but such Sons, in union with the Daughters of the Infinite Spirit, can create only one Bright and Morning Star in each universe, a being like themselves and partaking freely of their combined natures but not of their creative prerogatives. Gabriel of Salvington is like the Universe Son in divinity of nature though considerably limited in the attributes of Deity.




43:3.6 (489.1) Although the constellation regime stands between you and the universe administration, as individuals you would ordinarily be little concerned with the constellation government. Your great interest would normally center in the local system, Satania; but temporarily, Urantia is closely related to the constellation rulers because of certain system and planetary conditions growing out of the Lucifer rebellion.

43:3.7 (489.2) The Edentia Most Highs seized certain phases of planetary authority on the rebellious worlds at the time of the Lucifer secession. They have continued to exercise this power, and the Ancients of Days long since confirmed this assumption of control over these wayward worlds. They will no doubt continue to exercise this assumed jurisdiction as long as Lucifer lives. Much of this authority would ordinarily, in a loyal system, be invested in the System Sovereign.

43:3.8 (489.3) But there is still another way in which Urantia became peculiarly related to the Most Highs. When Michael, the Creator Son, was on his terminal bestowal mission, since the successor of Lucifer was not in full authority in the local system, all Urantia affairs which concerned the Michael bestowal were immediately supervised by the Most Highs of Norlatiadek.

Me: This Shrine of Nebadon is fully attended to and in Michael's full control and his beloved agents of divine ministry Mannie. Are you now claiming the UB is a falsified record by a group of conspirators whose mission is against the wishes of Michael and the Most Highs??? Good Grief!

Let's not forget about the four and twenty counselors related to Urantia's affairs:

45:4.1 (513.4) At the center of the seven angelic residential circles on Jerusem is located the headquarters of the Urantia advisory council, the four and twenty counselors. John the Revelator called them the four and twenty elders: “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats, and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment.” The throne in the center of this group is the judgment seat of the presiding archangel, the throne of the resurrection roll call of mercy and justice for all Satania. This judgment seat has always been on Jerusem, but the twenty-four surrounding seats were placed in position no more than nineteen hundred years ago, soon after Christ Michael was elevated to the full sovereignty of Nebadon. These four and twenty counselors are his personal agents on Jerusem, and they have authority to represent the Master Son in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system. They are the designated agents for executing the special requests of Gabriel and the unusual mandates of Michael.

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