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This is my very 1st post. I believe everything written in TUB, while not fully understanding all of what I read. I've made an effort to confirm or disregard theories of extraterrestrial visitations to this planet based on TUB, unsuccessfully.
Here is my viewpoint: up until the day of Pentecost, entities disloyal to Michael still roamed this planet and much of what history/myth attributes to "the Gods" could well have been these. Someone other than evolving mortals built fabulous stone structures that humans of today could not build, "Gods"? Are the time lines interpreted correctly relating the age of these ruins to be within 8-12k years, or are they off and these are structures erected by Caligastia's staff many thousands of years earlier?
And what to make of modern sightings, contacts, abductions and such.
Is there any confirmation or debunking of extraterrestrial contact to be found within TUB?

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Greetings mutant...one odd and interesting moniker!! This should be most interesting. First, I've been a loyal Trekie since the first episode...I was 13...and a I've read every Heinlein ever written...just to set the stage here. I also watch Ancient Aliens occasionally and find it most interesting.

However....it would be important for discussion to define our terms here before we begin. According to the UB and IMO, celestials are NOT aliens and neither are midwayers, rebel or loyal. Aliens are other mortals from other mortal worlds!! ....or they are something and someone other than ALIENS! At least this is true of the common accepted definition and the terminology used by all and every science fiction writer and the claims/beliefs of those who believe in "alien" life forms.

The science fiction and UFO stereotype means, by definition IMO, mortal borns from evolutionary material worlds traveling by vehicles and propulsion designed and built by mortal mechanical technologies.

Urantia Book students MIGHT include the Prince's staff and visiting mansion world "students" who were born as mortals on material evolutionary worlds....and with some conjecture as to mode of transportation but definitely NOT adventuring, conquering, infiltrating, or experimenting upon other mortal races. Was Van an alien?

The fact is, according to text, there are 7 trillion inhabited planets now or in the "near" future. Do aliens exist? Silly question. Of course other mortals on other evolutionary worlds exist. Earth centric beliefs and dogmas are a most primitive form of exclusionary claims of a most silly form. Like God created only one inhabited world. Laughable indeed.

I come from a long line of Scots/Irish and I do think much of ancient fable and myth does have some connection to midwayers and the staff of the Prince but this is pure conjecture....middle Earth from Tolkien's tales and many others do have a source in history. But again, angels and midwayers, etc. are NOT aliens by any commonly accepted definition IMO. But we know there is plenty of suppositional inference in the UB that there were some strange things indeed before Pentacost that have not existed since.

I find alien "abductions" farcical and laughable and pure fantasy without any empirical evidence...Bigfoot is more credible IMO. The UB would not support any such belief IMO.

As far as ancient construction, etc.....a most interesting discussion to be sure. Thanks for the topic. Perhaps we could narrow the topic to reduce the fantastic and fanatical potential?

Please define "alien" in your opinion and "visitation" as well to guide us forward in discussion and the text itself.

Welcome and best wishes.

fanofVan (Van was an "alien" in that he was a one time mortal from another evolutionary, material world...or so one definition might conclude).

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When I get there, I'll have two main questions lol.

How did primitive men lift and place with precision blocks of stone that even today with state of the art equipment is close to impossible?

The other is did JFK really get shot by the secret service agent in the back seat of the following Cadillac as he turned with rifle in hand looking over his shoulder towards the sound of Oswald's muzzle report accidentally, by mistake?


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I choose to use the term alien in the benign sense: does not call this planet home. Visitations: implying some purpose or mission to be accomplished.
If I should encounter such a being, it would way heavy on my mind "what brings you to these parts / why are you here"? It is a common response when meeting an "outsider". Is it safe to assume that evolving beings, here and throughout the grand universe, are endowed with free will? Therefore extending the possibility of folly/error. Can we likewise assume that all beings at work on this planet have proven themselves loyal to Michael, so regardless of their methods, their mission is with His blessing? Simply put, I crave to know "what are you doing here".
If my comprehension is adequate; the First Source(Father), Second Source(Son), Third Source(Conjoint Creator) comprise the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is incomplete (evolving through experiential existence). As a mortal who longs to find God and be like Him, I somehow am a part of this (His) evolving. My angst arises from lack of knowledge as regards my role, if ministries are being carried out as we speak, toward what end?
I do accept that I must "live loyally as a tadpole" to become a frog. Nonetheless, I wish to know what "they" are up to.
If there was a break-away moment with my acceptance of the Bible, it came when I questioned "what if I had been born a Philistine in the times of the Old Testament" God would have sanctioned my annihilation and for what sin of mine? Whoa, they are not writing of my God.
Entities contributing papers to TUB occasionally admit they do not know the reality of a certain thing, if they can deal with ignorance, so can I. I rely on TUB, communion with my TA, our Creator Michael's grace and the Conjoint Creator's intercession to guide me. My posting of the question was do to the lack of resolve as regards missions being carried out by personalities not of this planet. Perhaps, it's none of my business and I should continue flapping around in my little tadpole pond. "Enquiring minds want to know".


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Greetings - if I understand your question, it's my opinion the UB makes no provisions for any mortals from other worlds walking upon this or any other mortal worlds not of their origin/birth. Mortals cannot be enseriphamed for angelic transport which leaves mechanical transport devised and constructed by mortals for such a journey. It is my opinion that each planet's mortal epochal progression is not affected by (or infected by) inter-galactic space voyeurs or voyagers or mortal on mortal influences of any kind.

But one might speculate otherwise I suppose. I've seen no evidence with any credibility of any such "visitations" except as a "solution" to inexplicable "mysteries"....

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well i've not seen any ancient ruins that just couldn't have possibly been made by humans. consider that humans had been working with stone for hundreds of thousands of years and the ub says the first labor specialists were stone workers and that "Primitive human beings early learned that groups are vastly greater and stronger than the mere sum of their individual units. One hundred men united and working in unison can move a great stone;"


dunno what ruins dated 8-12kya you had in mind but if it's Gobekli Tepe there are unfinished stone pillars in quarries nearby that show the primitive laborious technique they used and the fragments of stone tools they left. Gobekli Tepe is believed by UB readers to have been part of the second garden of eden and so constructed by Adamites, a center of teaching the arts of civilization (the neolithic revolution) and mass migrations but still human, not alien. The dating done at gobekli tepe gives the time the site was buried/abandoned and the site shows signs of having been occupied for thousands of years before that...these dates are in the ballpark for the demise of the second garden and the last of the andite migrations narrated in the UB

the most impressive ancient stonework quality wise would be the Incan (Andite origins) but that dates within the last 500 years (post bestowal)...the most impressive quantity/sizewise is the trilithons at baalbek, lebanon which i think might be the ruins of the Nodite "tower of babel" which would make it somewhere around 150,000 years old.


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Greetings All,

Don't forget that this planet is quarantined. As I understand it, we're essentially invisible to the rest of the local universe preventing so-called aliens from ever finding us in the first place. And even if flesh and blood creatures from other planets could travel through space, I doubt they'd be able to penetrate the quarantine. So don't get your knickers in a knot over alien invasions and abductions. It's all a bunch of hyped up media melodrama like the zombie apocalypse. It seems that human beings just love being scared to death. There must be some hormone released in the fight or flight reflex that has crippling addiction properties. How else could you explain it?

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It's always seemed to me that the scale of the general distances between inhabited worlds (light years) effectively prevents mortal to mortal world visitations. However, I've also wondered about situations where mortal inhabited worlds are in "close proximity".

(49:3.6) You would be more than interested in the planetary conduct of this type of mortal because such a race of beings inhabits a sphere in close proximity to Urantia.

Is that close enough?


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The Urantia Book is very clear that this is a vast populated universe. There is mortal life on millions of worlds. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if advanced civilizations had developed the technology to travel the vast distances of space and had observed, visited, or even interacted with Earth in the past. (People dwell far too much on the supposed light speed barrier. Big deal. It is only a barrier because of our limited understanding of the physics of creation. Humans once thought heavier-than-air flight was impossible too!) The idea of extra-terrestrials visiting the Earth and being worshiped as gods was first popularized by Erik Von Daniken's 1968 book Chariots of the Gods and can now be seen weekly on The History Channel's Ancient Aliens. I think any open-minded person has to at least consider the possibility.

Yes, a quarantine may exist but that doesn't mean it hasn't been broken. It just means that we have received far fewer visitors than worlds without the quarantine.

Another possibility is that the structures you mentioned belonged to earlier advanced human civilizations that have been wiped out. There is evidence of floods, pole shifts, meteors, and other natural disasters that could have wiped out earlier civilizations. The idea that human civilization has progressed in a straight line from the earliest hunter/gatherers to our current level of civilization is only one theory - and it may be erroneous.

Interestingly, I have come across the idea in commentary to the Urantia Book that the Midwayers were in fact worshiped as gods by the Greeks and Romans (Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon, etc.). They have since been removed by Christ. But I don't think they built anything.


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if you think citing fraudulent and fabricated sources like von daniken and the ancient alien tv show gives your argument more credibility you're mistaken...it only does the opposite.


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The history of our planet is quite detailed in the UB actually. The midwayers are not credited with building the Garden or any other material structure. Has anyone yet provided a single example of any structure with an unknown or unexplained or unduplicated form of construction? Love to see such posted for research and discussion.

I wonder if Big Al thinks anything written by anyone is credible because it is found in a book?

As alien visitations (mortals visiting other mortal worlds by mechanical contraption/contrivance) are not addressed in the UB and no credible evidence exists outside the UB, then we are left with pure speculation.

I speculate that on 99.99% of material worlds that before mortal science achieves such engineering capabilities that the epochal planetary progress in spiritualization intercedes and removes the "need" for such interstellar travel....the population primarily departs by seraphim from the seas of glass. I also presume in my speculation that local solar system exploration is far more common an experience. Resource mining, etc. has local, practical applications. Star chasing?? Not so much IMO...not for a truly "advanced" civilization on the march to Light and Life.....but hey, I'm just speculating too!



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i'll speculate that since planets not under quarantine are able to communicate with each other via the system circuits they have little incentive to engage in interplanetary travel technology.

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33:6.5 From Salvington, broadcasts are simultaneously directed to the constellation headquarters, the system headquarters, and to individual planets. All higher orders of celestial beings are able to utilize this service for communication with their fellows scattered throughout the universe. The universe broadcast is extended to all inhabited worlds regardless of their spiritual status. Planetary intercommunication is denied only those worlds under spiritual quarantine.


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46:8.3 But ere long, the adjudication of Lucifer and his associates will restore the Satania system to the Norlatiadek constellation, and subsequently, Urantia and the other isolated spheres will be restored to the Satania circuits, and again will such worlds enjoy the privileges of interplanetary communication and intersystem communion.


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52:7.6 ..........The planet is in close touch with universe affairs, and its people scan the latest broadcasts with the same keen interest you now manifest in the latest editions of your daily newspapers. These races are occupied with a thousand things of interest unknown on your world.


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''i'll speculate that since planets not under quarantine are able to communicate with each other via the system circuits they have little incentive to engage in interplanetary travel technology.''

I Agree that makes sense .

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33:6.5 From Salvington, broadcasts are simultaneously directed to the constellation headquarters, the system headquarters, and to individual planets. All higher orders of celestial beings are able to utilize this service for communication with their fellows scattered throughout the universe. The universe broadcast is extended to all inhabited worlds regardless of their spiritual status. Planetary intercommunication is denied only those worlds under spiritual quarantine.

For Now its A Spiritual Quarantine.

NOT A Mortal Material one tho


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intersystem communion.

46:8.3 But ere long, the adjudication of Lucifer and his associates will restore the Satania system to the Norlatiadek constellation, and subsequently, Urantia and the other isolated spheres will be restored to the Satania circuits, and again will such worlds enjoy the privileges of interplanetary communication and intersystem communion.


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I wonder if FanofVan thinks nothing is credible unless it is spelled out explicitly in the Urantia Book.


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