Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:52 am +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:Compare the quality of the actual representations of distinct individual personalities found in tUB, to other channelled works, and you can see the the originality and the quality of counsel is not the same.
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:59 am +0000
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:43 am +0000
10. Criticism: The Urantia Book is a commonplace hodgepodge of verbiage, just such as numerous automatic writers have produced.
I can testify that the Urantia Papers were not the product of automatic writing or any other technique of psychic legerdemain known to me.
While we are not at liberty to tell you even the little we know about the technique of the production of the Urantia Papers, we are not forbidden to tell you how we did not get these documents.
Let me call your attention to the following outline of present-day psychologic and psychic phenomena.
UNUSUAL ACTIVITIES OF THE MARGINAL CONSCIOUSNESS: (The subconscious mind)
Speaking with "tongues"
Dream states--twilight meditation
Hallucinations (shifty "reality" feelings)
Automatic fearing--Anxiety neurosis
Automatic ideation--mental compulsions
automatic judgments - Intuition, "hunches"
Automatic Association of ideas--premonitions
Automatic guessing - ESP--extrasensory perception
Dominance by marginal consciousness--dreams and hypnosis
clairvoyance--automatic memory associations
Telepathy--mind reading (?)
Fortune telling (largely fraudulent)
Musical and mathematical marvels
Automatic behavior--(major hysteria; witchcraft)
Automatic motion--motor compulsions
Automatic overdrives--manic episodes
Automatic dissociation--double and multiple personality
Schizophrenia - split personality
9.Combined and associated psychic states
NOTE: The technique of the reception of The Urantia Book in English in no way parallels or impinges upon any of the above phenomena of the marginal consciousness.
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:46 am +0000
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:46 am +0000
The UB is not a channeled work. There is no such thing.
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:58 am +0000
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:04 pm +0000
fanofVan wrote:Sure I believe it....read the suggested material. The sleeping subject did not originate or channel the Papers. I was sure it was simply of human origin for several readings. Ultimately I realized the claims of the authors were far more believable than any presumption of human authorship or alternative. It is simply too well written and detailed and sweepingly comprehensive and integrated to be anything except what the authors claim.
I already knew channeling was a bunch of hooey parlor games for the gullible....been there and done that! No serious thinker or truth seeker could possibly take channeling seriously or not for long anyway...it doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny and examination. The UB will stand up to all such consideration.
As a new reader William, until you have actually read and studied the historical records of the Forumites and Sadler and related materials, your beliefs and opinions would be considered by me to be prematurely uninformed ....but you're welcome to them!
As Kat says above: the source and means remains secondary to the contents themselves! Interesting but not vital. Believe what you will! I haven't believed in channelers or mediums or oracles or witch doctors since I read Houdini's biography as a teenager. Then I met some self ordained so-called channelers of Seth and had some readings and knew I was right.
I've also listened to tapes and read transcripts of those who claim to speak to and for the gods to correct, complete, revise, and update the Revelation. I did so out of curiosity and courtesy to those who find it credible...it is not that. Nor even interesting or relevant or cohesive or consistant and so many failed predictions have been pronounced over the decades it is unimaginable how such frauds can still masquerade as readers of the UB. There is nothing credible in such claims.
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:52 pm +0000
Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:58 am +0000
Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:34 am +0000
William S. wrote:So... lighting incense and uttering an incantation to summon a spirit presence is a channeling. But spirit entities connecting with a physical mortal's thought adjuster as he sleeps in order to use his mouth to utter a message to the mortal physical realm isn't?
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:16 am +0000