(160:2.4) Symbolic communication between human beings predetermines the bringing into existence of social groups. The most effective of all social groups is the family, more particularly the two parents. Personal affection is the spiritual bond which holds together these material associations. Such an effective relationship is also possible between two persons of the same sex, as is so abundantly illustrated in the devotions of genuine friendships.

good comments here!

Formerly of the rank and file of gay-basher conservative christianity, I had a "heart-opening"experience that changed my personal attitude. I sincerely prayed and asked for direction in this matter because frankly I was tired of my own knee-jerk reaction every time the subject came up. The answer that came to me was: "Gay love is better than no love".

For those with an interest in the topic, here's a link to another lengthy and thoughtful discussion on the matter:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4822&hilit=gay


Related to the UB, the issue to me is simply that we are presented with so many ideals and norms which are so distorted or absent on our world at this point in history that it seems a little silly and primitive to let such an irrelevancy or trivial matter to take much time or energy. We are all God's children, beloved and cherished. All of us are able to respond to love and to give love to others....and to forgive one another. We are each measured by our forgiveness of others and our love of others - regardless of their choices. So who is in jeopardy here? I would suggest it is the knee jerkers and the haters and those who might condemn others that are in jeopardy based on the teachings of the UB.

And that, so far as I can tell, is the only relevant teaching related to the matter. I've not read anyone here seeking to validate such a choice but, rather, to verify that such choices do not prevent nor preclude God's love and mercy and our family obligation to embrace those making such choices in love and in forgiveness of whatever we might perceive to be someone else's failures or faults or errors or sins. The point is not the error but the forgiveness and love which prevails despite all such human errors in choice and relationship. To generalize and stereotype others is always error. To think gays do not love and forgive and strive and serve and embrace God, truth, beauty, and goodness is simple ignorance and to say such a belief demonstrates such ignorance.


Know any? Love any? If so one soon discovers the depth of humanity and potential and the spiritual nature inherent in all people. Or so is my experience and perspective.

Well said and I tend to agree. As God knows the end from the beginning it don’t seem there is much we can do that would offend him.
Having grown up in San Francisco most gays I knew were always trying to take advantage of me from as early in my childhood as I can remember. It’s not somerhing I can learn to love and appreciate but I try to live with it.
My knees jerk for other reasons too and they are not preconceived or unfounded prejudices. But thats another story and it don’t stop me from doing my best to practice brotherly love.
When a man proposed to me at a time in my past, a man I held as a dear friend, who knew I was happily married to a woman, with children, I was deeply offended but who gives a **** about that,
I exercised my coping skills and retained friendship.
But one thing for certain, leave the Urantia book out of this except for what van points out.