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By Liz Austin Peterson
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1:33 a.m. February 3, 2007

AUSTIN, Texas – Some conservatives and parents' rights groups worry that requiring girls to get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way they raise their children. …

The executive order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it, said Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody. Moody said the Texas Constitution permits the governor, as head of the executive branch, to order other members of the executive branch to adopt rules like this one.

The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

Merck could generate billions in sales if Gardasil – at $360 for the three-shot regimen – were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

The New Jersey-based drug company is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Perry has ties to Merck and Women in Government. One of the drug company's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government.
The governor also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.

A top official from Merck's vaccine division sits on Women in Government's business council, and many of the bills around the country have been introduced by members of Women in Government.
Merck spokeswoman Janet Skidmore would not say how much the company is spending on lobbyists or how much it has donated to Women in Government. Susan Crosby, the group's president, also declined to specify how much the drug company gave.


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Does this give anyone else the absolute creeps?

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Does this give anyone else the absolute creeps?


Absolutely, yes, it does.


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From Your Neighbor.

Perhaps there are some things going on behind closed doors which Americans really need to know...

This letter is being passed out across the nation:

http://www.secretangel.tv/Genesis.html

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Nice try, Rye Man...ain't gonna happen...based on what you "believe" about material reality that you post here, the only thing that such "noise" serves to make transparent is that there are a lot of people who WISH they could do such things....

As for MY post about who is in charge - parents or a politician - I can only imagine how dismayed you all are that things aren't going your way...gosh darn it....so let's zap their brains with our super secret weapons...

This is like watching the 5 year old brats in the neighborhood (probably no TA yet) attack the girls from their private club tree house with their plastic toy ray guns...the plastic in those guns is the most toxic "weapon"...carry on, Dude....


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I read the link and quite frankly it came across as some type of Racist, contractor for hire. Quite frankly as far as I am concerned there ARE NO ILLEGAL HUMAN BEINGS!

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I scanned it and raging FEAR jumped out at me...so nothing REAL there...

And then the "science" - well that was a real fishing expedition for wannabees...was there something about the vaccine in that link?

But look how well we have been distracted from my original post... :roll:


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Your right Fetish, there is no reason to let Wile Coyote type links to distract us from your original post, which by the way, I did find informing. Some threads like the one you started here completely scare me and I truly have no response to the scary facts that are at hand. And then others, like the link I followed make me realize that real problems that we as humans are facing, are problems because we are getting so much ficticious garbage that at times our vision becomes blurry.Some times the truth is truly stranger than fiction.

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The Occidental religions suffer from centuries of "priestcrafting". The NOISE of fictitious garbage is increasingly meaningless, thank god. Even calling them "secondary works" won't help :wink:

It is noted in the UB that the violet children did not mate with certain indigenous humans who had, by the violet standards, repulsive "religious" practices.

Personally, I can't get over the repulsion I feel from certain "religious" practices today. Which makes it all the more imperative that we get serious about protecting the most important and cherished FREEDOM we still have in the USA and that is freedom from insane, profit cum eugenics, "scientific" priestcrafting trumping the authority of the family unit. Watching thy neighbor's crotch is not a "religion" that anyone needs to tolerate as a STATE sponsored religion. I SO do not need these people to preach to me...everyone keeps bringing up that line in the UB about forcing a superior culture on an inferior one AS IF what is happening is not the exact opposite - they are trying to force an INFERIOR culture on a superior one. That's why we are getting all this BRUTE force and hysterical law-breaking priestcrafting shoved at us - imho.

The day anyone tolerates a state governor issuing edicts about 11 year old girls that he claims rise above congressional reach to "stop" him is the day we need to throw that governor in a loony bin for containment.

Does anyone believe that Jesus would NOT get out a "woe to you..." flame speech to these new priestcrafters?

These are our CHILDREN they are after.

I have no fear. I bet you won't, either, when push comes to shove.


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Quite strange, it won't stand.

Whats an even more unspoken "creep" phenomenon is the almost exclusive hold that the secular totalitarian propagandist have on American teaching institutions.
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Hi All,

I don't know how many of you are women, but speaking as a woman, I have to say that I am grateful that there is a vaccine against HPV. If I was a young woman, or if I had a young daughter, I would most definitely look into it...

Having said that, I will add that I am NOT in favor of it being a required vaccination. That IS going too far.

The truth is that even women with HPV can mitigate its effects with proper diet, should signs appear that it is causing some cervical abnormalities. Cervical abnormality caused by HPV is NOT a slam-dunk for developing cancer.

BUT - one can carry the virus for many years, be asymptomatic, and spread it to others without ever having knowledge of it...and your average person will likely not be interested in natural, or simple dietary remedies for curing it, or putting it into a remission state. And that person will definitely be at risk for cervical cancer, and may put others at risk as well. So, the vaccine, which would eliminate the chance of even getting it in the first place, seems to have its place, and could be valuable...

It behooves all parents of young girls to think carefully about this virus and this vaccination, and all vaccinations.

My grandchildren have been vaccinated against all the usual suspects (NOT HPV) , hut my daughter-in-law told me that there are some vaccinations that a parent can refuse for a child. Does anyone know about this?

I would think that this should be one of those optional ones.

MaryJo


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Quite strange, it won't stand.

Whats an even more unspoken "creep" phenomenon is the almost exclusive hold that the secular totalitarian propagandist have on American teaching institutions.


Colter


Let's hope it "won't stand". Can't help but notice how it is a trend in government these days "The executive order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it, said Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody."

I seriously doubt that if we replaced (and I have to be honest, I don't know YOUR definition of "secular totalitarian propagandist") the propagandist with the priest that the new "Watch over thy neighbor's crotch" state-sponsored religion would be any different.

Once a woman decides to have sex with a man - and that very well could be after she is 13 years old and maybe even never - if both man and woman are responsible and committed, they would have tests for ALL STDs before they had sex and get treatment for the curable ones if needed and be informed about HIV

The Governor seems to have made an ASSUMPTION that ALL women are going to have sex....maybe he needs to issue another edict? ALL women MUST have sex and babies...? Oh right, that edict was issued by "priests" - women MUST have sex and babies....never mind....

Funny how the most PERSONAL choice one can ever make - who to have sex with - is now publically controlled by an "executive" branch of government...

One can look up the official FDA approved side effects and efficacy of the vaccine on the internet from the FDA site - including how many people have been given the vaccine so far. Very interesting....maybe it should be made mandatory first in those countries in the world where children as young as 5 years old are made available for sex as a routine "business" in that country...collect a little more data on the vaccine before it becomes "mandatory" here in USA. I'm sure Merck has the data on which countries sell kids for sex....

It's all about the money - always is always will be.

THE "creep" factor...


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Hi All,

I don't know how many of you are women, but speaking as a woman, I have to say that I am grateful that there is a vaccine against HPV.
MaryJo


Yes, thank god our glorious system works!

I still have the book “DOS for Dummies” with its eye-catching black and yellow graphics. Who knew that humility and mirth could start a whole new book genre – the “For Dummies” genre…?

I guess internet medical "info" and pornography is really an “Anatomy For Dummies” spin-off. And it could be a useful test to figure out who does not need to use a daily anatomy cheat-sheet and move that group of people on to medical research. Who knows, we might need to import fewer MDs into the USA in the future...?

In the meantime, we are all doing what we can to fund medical research in our own “dummy” way – through things such as taxes on condoms, women’s monthly supplies and toilet paper. Once a cash cow, always a cash cow….too bad there are no stem cells to be harvested from sperm, huh? It certainly would be easier to “harvest” as sperm donations are plentiful from the “For Dummies” crowd.

Speculation is never ending when it comes to the “supermortal design” (interesting word search in the UB) of the human body…


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It behooves all parents of young girls to think carefully about this virus and this vaccination, and all vaccinations.

My grandchildren have been vaccinated against all the usual suspects (NOT HPV) , hut my daughter-in-law told me that there are some vaccinations that a parent can refuse for a child. Does anyone know about this?

I would think that this should be one of those optional ones.

MaryJo


Hi Mary Jo,

ALL vaccinations are optional in that parents have the choice of signing a waiver based on either physical, religious, or personal reasons.

Very few parents are informed of their right to responsibly choose what vaccines their children receive or not.

btw, VERY nice to see you here. I have missed you since our shared times in Colorado. Blessings to you and yours.

Susan


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Nice try, Rye Man...ain't gonna happen...based on what you "believe" about material reality that you post here, the only thing that such "noise" serves to make transparent is that there are a lot of people who WISH they could do such things....

Well, for starters, I don't believe I gave you permission to call me "Rye Man." And you clearly have no clue what I believe. But I forgive you anyway.

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"Quite frankly as far as I am concerned there ARE NO ILLEGAL HUMAN BEINGS!"

I believe this as well.

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"These are our CHILDREN they are after."

When you grock the fact that your birth certificate is legal proof the state owns you and your children, you will realize "they" have no need to go after something "they" already own. "They" have no need to gain your appoval to experiment on you or your children. Even as you did not seek my approval to call me "Rye Man."
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Which makes it all the more imperative that we get serious about protecting the most important and cherished FREEDOM we still have in the USA and that is freedom from insane, profit cum eugenics, "scientific" priestcrafting trumping the authority of the family unit.

If you would have read the link more carefully, you would see that it is also about protecting our freedoms which have been slowly eroded since the civil war. The so-called wiley coyote link is an attempt to stand on your shoulders by bringing greater understanding of just how far our freedoms have been eroded without our knowledge or consent.

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"Whats an even more unspoken "creep" phenomenon is the almost exclusive hold that the secular totalitarian propagandist have on American teaching institutions."

This is but one of the reasons I've decided against becoming a public school teacher at this time. This exclusive hold isn't limited to just teaching institutions, however.

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"My grandchildren have been vaccinated against all the usual suspects (NOT HPV) , hut my daughter-in-law told me that there are some vaccinations that a parent can refuse for a child. Does anyone know about this?"

It depends on the state you live in because the state claims legal sovereignty over its citizens even as the fed claims sovereignty over the state. For example: when people get a marriage license from the state, this license gives the state authority to educate your children. If a parent refuses to vaccinate their children, then these kids will most likely not be allowed to enter the public school system because they will be seen as a health risk to the other children who have been vaccinated. This is merely one way our rights have become a priviledge granted by the state.

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"It's all about the money - always is always will be."

No. It's about control.

1) Money, finance, and economic institutions;
2) government, politics, and military institutions;
3) science, education, and mass media institutions;
4) tv evangelism, the Church, and religious institutions.

All these human institutions started out with the best of intentions to serve humanity for the common good. But that is no longer the case. Our willingness to allow our freedoms to be eroded is taken as implied consent.

I believe there are Spirit-led scientists and educators who have long understood the social need to seek harmony and understanding with nature. Even as there are financial and economic forces upon our world who understand that it is no longer tenable to exploit the citizen in the name of profit or hide the true cause of our health problems. There are even some politicians who understand that the excuse of national security cannot justify building more and more weapons of mass destruction. Just as there are true faithists who understand that it is wrong to profit from selling "God" to the masses by exploiting fear of death.

From Safeguard USA:
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"Without your looking into this, finding out the truth, taking action; there will be little chance that this will come out in the media, because as we say they themselves are controlled to remain silent and the genocide will continue indefinitely without massive numbers of the U.S. public knowing about this activity and then taking action to stop it."

It is not my intention to promote fear. I seek to promote understanding by speading the good news that great change for the better is underway in all these aforementioned institutions because of spirit led individuals who have let go of the need to rule over those they claim to serve.

But we the masses have got to do our part as well because for a long time now we have allowed others to do it for us. By allowing others to do it for us we have also empowered them to do it to us and this is the reason the world has reached this level of social ills we see at this time.

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