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Is Religious Equality Feasible & Should It Be Practiced
Yes, A UB On Religious Equality May Work 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
No, The UB Is Strictly For Christians 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No, The Urantia Book Should Not Be Edited 85%  85%  [ 17 ]
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Well, it really doesn't matter when and where Jesus spoke those words. The incident only afforded him an opportunity to expand on a universal truth as so many other unprovoked events allow similar opportunities.

Ok, so he doesn't at this moment believe Jesus was a creator son, a lot of people don't believe that but nevertheless all roads lead to God don't they?

Kurt has plenty of opportunity to get his fine details correct and perhaps you can help him with that without all the strident cast-in-stone character attacks and proclamations of blasphemy or attempts to shut him up and prevent him from worshipping God in the manner which seems fit for where he is today.
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Readers of Kurts book will not get this in that he edited out the whole life and teachings of Jesus

Well, IIRC our moderator Mr. Watkins edited out the whole first 3 parts of the book in his attempt of service to God. I hope he will correct me if I am wrong, I have a copy of his book right here. But, that is neither here nor there in this discussion.

Kurt is doing a service for God and indirectly for the Urantia book. How can you judge him and by what standards? Some non-existent copyright?
Plagerism? Errors in judgement? A text that perhaps only 1 in 50,000 people would even look at twice and then the majority of them use it for a door stop or dust collector?


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'' Readers of Kurts book will not get this in that he edited out the whole life and teachings of Jesus because in Kurts mind Jesus is just a man like the rest of us. Help me, what am I missing? ''

My Brother Colter , YOU Are NOT Missing A Thing , IT IS KK / Kurt THAT IS , ... Missing JESUS THEE CHRIST MICHAEL , And HIS Simple ... GOOD NEWS , That HE IS ''THE WAY ''< THE TRUTH & THE LIGHT / LIFE .

NO Man Comes Before the Father , But Thru HIM , The Paths Are Wide
Yet His Door Is Narrow . If Yeah Shall Deny Him , He Will Deny You Before Father .

His So Called Edited BOOK , Will Only Create Confusion , ...

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I'll wait until either you edit your own filthy comments or the administration does it for you.

You need a vacation.


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Kurt has plenty of opportunity to get his fine details correct and perhaps you can help him with that without all the strident cast-in-stone character attacks and proclamations of blasphemy or attempts to shut him up and prevent him from worshipping God in the manner which seems fit for where he is today.


Until he gets his details correct he should keep his thoughts to himself. This looks like a blatant attempt to draw followers to a wrong cause.

Understanding who Michael is is critically important in understanding reality. Kurt is just propogating another 'religion". We need more unity of conceptualization, not diversity, when it comes to basic truth.

Part IV brings it all home. How can one omit it and still have the teaching tool the Papers are?

If you have been in this study for as long as you imply, you should have seen many Kurts passing out their confusion then fading into the night. Some of us feel that it is our duty to point out these pretenders to those who may pass by to minimize misunderstanding.

Majeston is a bit pretentious choice of screen name, don't you think?

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Respected Bill,

Isn't that a little bit like the old saying children should be seen and not heard?

I liked the name Majeston, it seemed quite unique and there was only 1, now there are 2. :)
Is that a problem?

IIRC part 4, the Jesus papers came a year later. In fact there seemed to be a lot of disagreement between the angels of progress and the angels of the churches, about even including it in the revelation.


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In Kurts mind Jesus is just a man like the rest of us.

Help me, what am I missing?


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Incorrect Analysis by Paul.

The apostle Paul said: "And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable."
-1 Corinthians 15:14-19

1. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

(A) Jesus spirit has risen to God and is now a part of God. Our faith is reinforced.

2. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise.

(A) The dead do not rise; this is a scientific fact. The mind is gullible. Perceptions often trick the mind into believing visual events have taken place when this is not necessarily so. Mass hypnosis is a common occurrence. One testifies what one has visualized. This does not constitute a false witness before man or God.

3. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

(A) Jesus has been appropriately called the "Son of God" and "Prince of Peace". We are often reminded of the teachings of Jesus whose words have survived two millennia. His disciples kept him alive in the memories of all who heard and believed his words. They, as well as other "Men of God" who contributed to the compilation of the scriptures of the Bible, were inspired by God to give us guidelines to live by.

Faith is never futile. Sins were invented by man.

4. Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable."

(A) Those who have fallen asleep (died) with a clear conscience, their spirit, they are now with Jesus and God. Hope is never pitiable.

Sorry, but dead men rising by supernatural means is inconsistent with science and against God's infallible laws of nature. Even if Jesus were God living physically on earth, God's laws would be violated...sorry, but it cannot and did not happen.

It is true that under philosophic naturalism, physical events are the only events and what we observe physically are the only physical things that exist. Under philosophical naturalism there may be no such thing as the immaterial soul because the soul is not physical and exists in the spiritual dimension, yet it is within a space contained within the physical body, the mind. If we represent thought and emotion which is not physical, as existing in space, we must then accept also the existence of another, a fourth dimension where these processes thrive. Our Mind, Thought, Truth, Intuition, Intelligence, Appreciation and Awareness are all aspects of another dimension. The fourth dimension is often referred to as time but this is also widely disputed and also considered by many as the spiritual dimension. The spiritual dimension or God may indirectly have an effect on our mind or body via our spirit, but it never has and never will "directly" effect anything in the physical universe.

I do not dispute or doubt that many people had their spirit interacted with the spirit of Jesus after his physical death and that they thereby visualized or envisioned his physical appearance and departure from earth. The profound effect that such an experience has on the mind is mind-boggling.


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From our finite reality we dare postulate final values, from our near infinite ignorance we draw conclusions in time about the possibilities of eternity. If in him we have our being then how can you conclude that the "mathematician" cannot enter his own material creation, as one of his own co-created beings, live, die and proceed along the ordained paths of mota? Science isn't the creation of material reality but rather an observation and further discovery of the reality that already exists. Science will never be finished.

7. SCIENCE AND RELIGION
Science is sustained by reason, religion by faith. Faith, though not predicated on reason, is reasonable; though independent of logic, it is nonetheless encouraged by sound logic. Faith cannot be nourished even by an ideal philosophy; indeed, it is, with science, the very source of such a philosophy. Faith, human religious insight, can be surely instructed only by revelation, can be surely elevated only by personal mortal experience with the spiritual Adjuster presence of the God who is spirit.

True salvation is the technique of the divine evolution of the mortal mind from matter identification through the realms of morontia liaison to the high
universe status of spiritual correlation. And as material intuitive instinct precedes the appearance of reasoned knowledge in terrestrial evolution, so does the manifestation of spiritual intuitive insight presage the later appearance of morontia and spirit reason and experience in the supernal program of celestial evolution, the business of transmuting the potentials of man the temporal into the actuality and divinity of man the eternal, a Paradise finaliter.



But as ascending man reaches inward and Paradiseward for the God experience, he will likewise be reaching outward and spaceward for an energy understanding of the material cosmos. The progression of science is not limited to the terrestrial life of man; his universe and superuniverse ascension experience will to no small degree be the study of energy transmutation and material metamorphosis. God is spirit, but Deity is unity, and the unity of Deity not only embraces the spiritual values of the Universal Father and the Eternal Son but is also cognizant of the energy facts of the Universal Controller and the Isle of Paradise, while these two phases of universal reality are perfectly correlated in the mind relationships of the Conjoint Actor and unified on the finite level in the emerging Deity of the Supreme Being.

The union of the scientific attitude and the religious insight by the mediation of experiential philosophy is part of man's long Paradise-ascension experience. The approximations of mathematics and the certainties of insight will always require the harmonizing function of mind logic on all levels of experience short of the maximum attainment of the Supreme.

But logic can never succeed in harmonizing the findings of science and the insights of religion unless both the scientific and the religious aspects of a personality are truth dominated, sincerely desirous of following the truth wherever it may lead regardless of the conclusions which it may reach.

Logic is the technique of philosophy, its method of expression. Within the domain of true science, reason is always amenable to genuine logic; within the domain of true religion, faith is always logical from the basis of an inner viewpoint, even though such faith may appear to be quite unfounded from the inlooking viewpoint of the scientific approach. From outward, looking within, the universe may appear to be material; from within, looking out, the same universe appears to be wholly spiritual. Reason grows out of material awareness, faith out of spiritual awareness, but through the mediation of a philosophy strengthened by revelation, logic may confirm both the inward and the outward view, thereby effecting the stabilization of both science and religion. Thus, through common contact with the logic of philosophy, may both science and religion become increasingly tolerant of each other, less and less skeptical.

What both developing science and religion need is more searching and fearless self-criticism, a greater awareness of incompleteness in evolutionary status. The teachers of both science and religion are often altogether too self-confident and dogmatic. Science and religion can only be self-critical of their facts. The moment departure is made from the stage of facts, reason abdicates or else rapidly degenerates into a consort of false logic.

The truth--an understanding of cosmic relationships, universe facts, and spiritual values--can best be had through the ministry of the Spirit of Truth and can best be criticized by revelation. But revelation originates neither a science nor a religion; its function is to co-ordinate both science and religion with the truth of reality. Always, in the absence of revelation or in the failure to accept or grasp it, has mortal man resorted to his futile gesture of metaphysics, that being the only human substitute for the revelation of truth or for the mota of morontia personality.


The science of the material world enables man to control, and to some extent dominate, his physical environment. The religion of the spiritual experience is the source of the fraternity impulse which enables men to live together in the complexities of the civilization of a scientific age. Metaphysics, but more certainly revelation, affords a common meeting ground for the discoveries of both science and religion and makes possible the human attempt logically to correlate these separate but interdependent domains of thought into a well-balanced philosophy of scientific stability and religious certainty.

In the mortal state, nothing can be absolutely proved; both science and religion are predicated on assumptions. On the morontia level, the postulates of both science and religion are capable of partial proof by mota logic. On the spiritual level of maximum status, the need for finite proof gradually vanishes before the actual experience of and with reality; but even then there is much beyond the finite that remains unproved.

All divisions of human thought are predicated on certain assumptions which are accepted, though unproved, by the constitutive reality sensitivity of the mind endowment of man. Science starts out on its vaunted career of reasoning by assuming the reality of three things: matter, motion, and life. Religion starts out with the assumption of the validity of three things: mind, spirit, and the universe--the Supreme Being.

Science becomes the thought domain of mathematics, of the energy and material of time in space. Religion assumes to deal not only with finite and temporal spirit but also with the spirit of eternity and supremacy. Only through a long experience in mota can these two extremes of universe perception be made to yield analogous interpretations of origins, functions, relations, realities, and destinies. The maximum harmonization of the energy-spirit divergence is in the encircuitment of the Seven Master Spirits; the first unification thereof, in the Deity of the Supreme; the finality unity thereof, in the infinity of the First Source and Center, the I AM.

Reason is the act of recognizing the conclusions of consciousness with regard to the experience in and with the physical world of energy and matter. Faith is the act of recognizing the validity of spiritual consciousness--something which is incapable of other mortal proof. Logic is the synthetic truth-seeking progression of the unity of faith and reason and is founded on the constitutive mind endowments of mortal beings, the innate recognition of things, meanings, and values.

There is a real proof of spiritual reality in the presence of the Thought Adjuster, but the validity of this presence is not demonstrable to the external world, only to the one who thus experiences the indwelling of God. The consciousness of the Adjuster is based on the intellectual reception of truth, the supermind perception of goodness, and the personality motivation to love.

Science discovers the material world, religion evaluates it, and philosophy endeavors to interpret its meanings while co-ordinating the scientific material viewpoint with the religious spiritual concept. But history is a realm in which science and religion may never fully agree.

We all care about you Kurt O:)

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Majeston,

Firstly, I do believe for the most part children should be seen and not heard in a case such as this. Listen and learn prevents foot-in-mouthosis.

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IIRC part 4, the Jesus papers came a year later. In fact there seemed to be a lot of disagreement between the angels of progress and the angels of the churches, about even including it in the revelation.


This is evidence of politics in the Spirit world. The Angels of Progress were forced to allow the Angels of the Church one more chance. The real problem was that the Midwayers felt inadequate to portray the earth life of Michael.

Do you deny the import of this information? (pt.IV)

Yes, I still consider Majeston presumptious. I am Bill. Colter is Colter, Coop is Coop, Joer is Joer. Etc.

I once knew a man who spent a great deal of his time in jail. He had large tattoos all over his body defaming everyone he could think of. When I asked him why he stated that "it assured him that everyone would leave him alone". A screen name can serve a similar purpose.

I say that if a person does not understand the revelation they have no business rewriting it to suit their ignorance. You seem to be of the PC school. PC is a Caligastian tool. This is not a street corner. It is a Urantia Book forum. Kurt's error is not new. Bill Jr. got his knuckles rapped for a similar project.

Here is my Cliff's Notes version of the UB: GOD IS. Did I leave something out?

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I perused Kurt’s transcendentalists.org web site and felt it mainly promoted a Manifesto familiar to many who study the UB….so…..I edited and condensed it into the following which I call Manifesto Edited – Tapping into the Transcended Mind – for Equality of the Shoe’s on the Other Foot Now.

MANIFESTO EDITED - Tapping into the Transcended Mind
Transcendentalists throughout history have been known as individuals who have attempted to correct what they saw as misperceptions within societies.

A Transcendentalist is often a spiritually enlightened individual whose ultimate goal is to unite and strengthen communities or religious organization.

Religious differences are acceptable by the majority as long as fanaticism does not cause physical confrontations.

God, the Ultimate Spirit consists of Supreme Purity, Pure Intelligence, Pure Logic, etc., is not encumbered by human attributes and has no needs, or a desire to be worshiped, prayed to, exalted, venerated, deified, or anything else that we have to offer.

God, the Ultimate Spirit consists of Supreme Purity, Pure Intelligence, Pure Logic, etc., is not encumbered by human attributes and has no needs, or a desire to be worshiped, prayed to, exalted, venerated, deified, or anything else that we have to offer.

God, exists in a spiritual realm and never has and never will interfere with anything on earth or in the universe. God is interested in and is involved in humanity, but does not interfere in any way in our physical lives.

Spiritual transcendence of a person's spirit into a Dimensional Beyondness was achieved by most well known religious leaders.

Transcendentalists have their own self attained or learned knowledge or deep religious convictions on spirituality and they know that God is the rational Purity that does not require servitude, ritualistic prayers or a forced slavery in order for the soul to be a part of that Purity for eternity.

God does not and never has meddled in the tangible universe. It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses.

Was the spiritual realm where God exists in another dimension ever breached by a man named Jesus ?

Does the devil or Satan exist or were they invented by man to frighten people to believe that the devil would claim the soul of those who did not believe in God ?

Did God always exist or did God possibly come into existence with the first soul striving to merge and coexist with other souls; combining their knowledge and expanding their intelligence with the addition of each soul into an eternal existence ?

The spirit is spirit and not a religious force and is neither heaven sent, nor heaven inspired, though some people via deep meditation can have their spirit interact with God’s spirit.

The universe is not being controlled on a spiritual plane. There is nothing in the universe or on the physical plane that is "controlled" by the spiritual; any development thereof is being guided, often via inspiration from the spirit.

There are several levels of consciousness:
A. On a scale of 1 to 10 rating, with consciousness being level 1 where the spirit accumulates data and triggers emotions.

B. The upper level of subconsciousness is at level 2; involuntary subconscious reactions are sometimes manifested.

C. The dream level at 3; a series of thoughts and visions are introduced.

Level 4 is deeper sleep.

D. Hibernation or very deep sleep is at level 5.

E. At level 6 unconsciousness sets in.

F. Spiritual data is stored between levels 6 and 9.

G.At 10 the subconscious is at a point of physical imminent death.

The "deserving" spirit that has established lines of communications with Spirit of God is transmitted to the spiritual realm, filtered and cleansed of all negative emotions; then it bonds with the Supreme Spirit, (God) Pure Intelligence, Pure Logic, The Ultimate or Supreme Spirit.

When a personality disorder affects the data input process, data is filtered. Brain injury does not supersede the soul, at that point data input simply ceases.


Feel free to opine on these random edited thoughts of a transcended mind.


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Thanks for your reply Mr. Bill :)

Ok so you think children should be seen and not heard "in this instance"...listen & learn. Do you suppose that that is how God has treated you when you have attempted to worship him; ask him questions; tell him how you feel? Were all your "ignorant" questions ignored?

Really Bill you can only get just so much mileage out of that. Of course your mileage may vary. :) Isn't it more like father and child communication which is interactive communication even if the child asks ignorant questions? Isn't that how we all really learn? From interactive communication.
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This is evidence of politics in the Spirit world. The Angels of Progress were forced to allow the Angels of the Church one more chance. The real problem was that the Midwayers felt inadequate to portray the earth life of Michael.

Well, I don't know where you got the forced and one more chance thing from, but John Hay recently remarked that the Angels of Progress have taken over the ball. I think there was also mentioned a period of time before the transition. You seem to appear to know a bit about it, perhaps you would elaborate more on the topic.

I don't doubt the import of part !V but it was certainly possible that 1-3 would have just as easily been considered epochal revelation.
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Yes, I still consider Majeston presumptious. I am Bill. Colter is Colter, Coop is Coop, Joer is Joer. Etc.


presumptious, from Late Latin praesumptuosus, irregular from praesumption: overstepping due bounds (as of propriety or courtesy) : taking liberties

We both know that your name is not Bill. It has been revealed to you that you will receive your real name later. It is a name. It is not blasphemy. Should everyone with the name Jesus or Michael be considered presumptuous? Were your parents presumptuous when they named you after King William?

I'm quite sure that you know the difference between me and Majeston; you're not really confused are you? I would say that recently I have been exhibiting signs of reflectivity wouldn't you? :)

I have not heard any objections recently from Majeston. I'm quite sure that If Majeston were asked he'd reply with something like, Hey, it's a cool name, if you like it ....great!!!!!! Go for it. More power to you. Just try not to associate it with too much evil.
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A screen name can serve a similar purpose.

Lots of things can do lots of things Bill, if you don't want to talk to me because of that excuse that I'm using an internet handle of Majeston then don't talk to me. I certainly have no intention of changing it right now.
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You seem to be of the PC school. PC is a Caligastian tool.

Bill how can I be of the PC school and also be presumptuous at the same time? You must have someone else in mind.
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Bill Jr. got his knuckles rapped for a similar project.

How is it that I have A Study Of The Master Universe and the Appendix as well on my bookshelf? Apparently the knuckle rapping didn't hold and IIRC there are at least 50 books out now that in one way or another tell the story in their own words. Need I quote the Forbid Him Not thing again?

I certainly don't want to be contentious with you Bill, but you have not left much slack and appear quite judgemental and opinionated in your old age.
It's not necessarily negative, but there really are other opinions besides yours.


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[Post edited by admin -- coop, you'll require a time out if you wander any farther down that road. Reread the posting guidelines and then leave the personal insults alone.
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Forgive Me Father Fer Sometimes I Know Not What I Do . OkayDoaky Brother Larry

OK , I'LL BeeHave , & Watch My P;s & Q;s . Thanks For Just The Reminder . Your Dah Man , Regardless Of What Maj Sez About You .

Namastae Cooper
Hail Mary , ..

Our life is an apprenticeship to the truth that around every circle another can be drawn; that there is no end in nature, but every end is a beginning, and under every deep a lower deep opens.
Ralph Waldo Emerson:

To ALL : Forgive My Errors , As I AM Still Yet In My apprenticeship,
As Brother Tramp Swan , Has Still NOT Yet sent me My Self Mastery
Certification , yet , ... He Keeps Sayin , Its In The Mail . 8)

Sorry Maj ~ Fer Callin You A ... Before ,

Maj Sez :arrow:
''I have not heard any objections recently from Majeston. I'm quite sure that If Majeston were asked he'd reply with something like, Hey, it's a cool name, if you like it ....great!!!!!! Go for it. More power to you. Just try not to associate it with too much evil.''

''Just try not to associate it with too much evil.''

Exactly My Point Before , .. :? Stand UP For the Light Of Truth , Stand UP For Our Brother Lord & Master Teacher Jesus Christ Michael , & Rubuke The Sin & Error & The Evil , That DO & WILL Deny HIM . Those Like KK Kurt , NEED To Be Rebuked , And Shown , As What & Who they Really Are

Maj ~ Watch & Beware Of Your Own reflectivity .

& Keep Your Ego Balanced .

It Is Recorded .

To KK Kurt ~ I Simply Rebuke You & Your Present Path Of Thot & Beliefs .
I Pray that Fathers Grace & Michaels Spirit of Truth , Will >> Show You
... " The WAY '' .

Namastae



p200:1 17:2.3
Majeston is a true person, the personal and infallible center of reflectivity phenomena in all seven superuniverses of time and space.

For those Who May Not Be Aware Of MAJESTON—CHIEF OF REFLECTIVITY

2. MAJESTON—CHIEF OF REFLECTIVITY

p199:5 17:2.1 The Reflective Spirits are of divine Trinity origin. There are fifty of these unique and somewhat mysterious beings. Seven of these extraordinary personalities were created at a time, and each such creative episode was effected by a liaison of the Paradise Trinity and one of the Seven Master Spirits.
p199:6 17:2.2 This momentous transaction, occurring in the dawn of time, represents the initial effort of the Supreme Creator Personalities, represented by the Master Spirits, to function as cocreators with the Paradise Trinity. This union of the creative power of the Supreme Creators with the creative potentials of the Trinity is the very source of the actuality of the Supreme Being. Therefore, when the cycle of reflective creation had run its course, when each of the Seven Master Spirits had found perfect creative synchrony with the Paradise Trinity, when the forty-ninth Reflective Spirit had personalized, then a new and far-reaching reaction occurred in the Deity Absolute which imparted new personality prerogatives to the Supreme Being and culminated in the personalization of Majeston, the reflectivity chief and Paradise center of all the work of the forty-nine Reflective Spirits and their associates throughout the universe of universes.
p200:1 17:2.3 Majeston is a true person, the personal and infallible center of reflectivity phenomena in all seven superuniverses of time and space. He maintains permanent Paradise headquarters near the center of all things at the rendezvous of the Seven Master Spirits. He is concerned solely with the co-ordination and maintenance of the reflectivity service in the far-flung creation; he is not otherwise involved in the administration of universe affairs.
p200:2 17:2.4 Majeston is not included in our catalogue of Paradise personalities because he is the only existing personality of divinity created by the Supreme Being in functional liaison with the Deity Absolute. He is a person, but he is exclusively and apparently automatically concerned with this one phase of universe economy; he does not now function in any personal capacity with relation to other (nonreflective) orders of universe personalities.

p200:3 17:2.5 The creation of Majeston signalized the first supreme creative act of the Supreme Being. This will to action was volitional in the Supreme Being, but the stupendous reaction of the Deity Absolute was not foreknown. Not since the eternity-appearance of Havona had the universe witnessed such a tremendous factualization of such a gigantic and far-flung alignment of power and co-ordination of functional spirit activities. The Deity response to the creative wills of the Supreme Being and his associates was vastly beyond their purposeful intent and greatly in excess of their conceptual forecasts.
p200:4 17:2.6 We stand in awe of the possibility of what the future ages, wherein the Supreme and the Ultimate may attain new levels of divinity and ascend to new domains of personality function, may witness in the realms of the deitization of still other unexpected and undreamed-of beings who will possess unimagined powers of enhanced universe co-ordination. There would seem to be no limit to the Deity Absolute's potential of response to such unification of relationships between experiential Deity and the existential Paradise Trinity.


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I perused Kurt’s transcendentalists.org web site and felt it mainly promoted a Manifesto familiar to many who study the UB….so…..I edited and condensed it into the following which I call Manifesto Edited – Tapping into the Transcended Mind – for Equality of the Shoe’s on the Other Foot Now.

[color=blue]MANIFESTO EDITED - Tapping into the Transcended Mind
Transcendentalists throughout history have been known as individuals who have attempted to correct what they saw as misperceptions within societies.

Feel free to opine on these random edited thoughts of a transcended mind.

Pray tell...what do YOU disagree with?
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coop, I am surprised that you quote RWE...isn't that too logical for you?


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Bertrand Russell:
Everything is vague to a degree you do not realize till you have tried to make it precise.

"The Philosophy of Logical Atomism"
David Borenstein:
Feelings are not supposed to be logical. Dangerous is the man who has rationalized his emotions.

Dorothy Thompson:
The kind of intelligence a genius has is a different sort of intelligence. The thinking of a genius does not proceed logically. It leaps with great ellipses. It pulls knowledge from God knows where.

Edward Abbey:
There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California.

Gloria Steinem:
If women are supposed to be less rational and more emotional at the beginning of our menstrual cycle when the female hormone is at its lowest level, then why isn't it logical to say that, in those few days, women behave the most like the way men behave all month long?

My Brother kkawohl 8)
Wow ~ You Made Me Smile . :shock: :mrgreen:
''coop, I am surprised that you quote RWE...isn't that too logical for you?''
Logic Gots Nuttin To Do Wit It , Er , Sorta , ..

My Very 1st Mentor Was a Vulcan Named Spock , He Was My Uncle ,
So I Do have Logic Vulcan Jeans , But Logic Is Not Allways Logical. :idea:

Oliver Goldsmith:
Logicians have but ill defined
As rational the human mind.
Logic, they say, belongs to man,
But let them prove it if they can.

Rita Mae Brown:
If the world were a logical place, men would ride side saddle.

My My Brother kkawohl
May God Bless You On Your Path , Whatever It Is Or Will Lead You .
Coop


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Majeston,

We are getting of topic, but I choose to reply to your questions.
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Thanks for your reply Mr. Bill
Ok so you think children should be seen and not heard "in this instance"...listen & learn.

Do you suppose that is how God has treated you when you have attempted to worship him; ask him questions; tell him how you feel?
Were all your "ignorant" questions ignored?


Frankly, God has treated me much better than I deserve. He knows my questions, therefore I do not ask directly. He knows how I feel, therefore I do not waste his "time" telling Him. As to worship, I am sure He accepts what is sincere.
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Really Bill you can only get just so much mileage out of that. Of course your mileage may vary.

Isn't it more like father and child communication which is interactive communication even if the child asks ignorant questions? Isn't that how we all really learn? From interactive communication.

We learn from experience and the wisdom to learn from the experience of others. My TA acts like Rodney Dangerfield.
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This is evidence of politics in the Spirit world. The Angels of Progress were forced to allow the Angels of the Church one more chance. The real problem was that the Midwayers felt inadequate to portray the earth life of Michael.

Well, I don't know where you got the forced and one more chance thing from, but John Hay recently remarked that the Angels of Progress have taken over the ball. I think there was also mentioned a period of time before the transition. You seem to appear to know a bit about it, perhaps you would elaborate more on the topic.

I believe the time was 500 years for the Churches to produce. The text tells us there are no churches on some worlds, but progress is expected on all. So I would conclude that the Angels of Progress have more status. If the Angels of Progress are in control, there has been a change in the plan.
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I don't doubt the import of part !V but it was certainly possible that 1-3 would have just as easily been considered epochal revelation.

No contest here. However the addition of part IV expands the revelation and demonstrates that man is capable of knowing God as a Father.
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Yes, I still consider Majeston presumptuous. I am Bill. Colter is Colter, Coop is Coop, Joer is Joer. Etc.
presumptuous, from Late Latin praesumptuosus, irregular from praesumptio : overstepping due bounds (as of propriety or courtesy) : taking liberties

We both know that your name is not Bill. It has been revealed to you that you will receive your real name later.
It is a name. It is not blasphemy. Should everyone with the name Jesus or Michael be considered presumptuous? Were your parents presumptuous when they named you after King William?

Actually, William the Conqueror. At the moment I am Bill. If my eventual name were called in a crowd, I would fail to respond. I think you got my point. Your name will never be Majeston. Majeston stands alone.
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I'm quite sure that you know the difference between me and Majeston; you're not really confused are you?
I would say that recently I have been exhibiting signs of reflectivity wouldn't you?

I have not heard any objections recently from Majeston. I'm quite sure that If Majeston were asked he'd reply with something like, Hey, it's a cool name, if you like it ....great!!!!!! Go for it. More power to you. Just try not to associate it with too much evil.

Dream on. There is much in a name.
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A screen name can serve a similar purpose.

Lots of things can do lots of things Bill, if you don't want to talk to me because of that excuse that I'm using an Internet handle of Majeston then don't talk to me. I certainly have no intention of changing it right now.

Am I not talking to you?
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You seem to be of the PC school. PC is a Caligastian tool.

Bill how can I be of the PC school and also be presumptuous at the same time? You must have someone else in mind.

The perfect example of PC in action. You can steal a name, but I can't point that out to anyone.
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Bill Jr. got his knuckles rapped for a similar project.
How is it that I have A Study Of The Master Universe and the Appendix as well on my bookshelf? Apparently the knuckle rapping didn't hold and IIRC there are at least 50 books out now that in one way or another tell the story in their own words. Need I quote the Forbid Him Not thing again?

And only those authors know if they have had their knuckles rapped.
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I certainly don't want to be contentious with you Bill, but you have not left much slack and appear quite judgmental and opinionated in your old age. It's not necessarily negative, but there really are other opinions besides yours.

Of course there are other opinions. The question is are they valid as expressions of truth? Is there such a thing as seeking vague perfection?
Bill,
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