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In all the illustrations including this one, the ascent to paradise video on Square Circles, and the drawings Bill has shared, the seven superuniverses are depicted as individual galaxies in the same plane as they revolve around Havona and Paradise. Notice each superuniverse is depicted as being aproximately equal in size.
Joer, do you remember your description of circumference we discussed on another thread?
TUB tells us that the inhabited portion of Orvonton is about 500,000 light years across. If we follow the illustrations and assume that Orvonton's 500,000 light years is one-seventh the circumference of the entire grand universe, we arrive at an answer of about 3,500,000 light years for the total circumference of the grand universe depending on the eccentricity of the elipse. ( TUB does not give the eccentricity as far as I know.) Even so, dividing 3,500,000 by Pi gives an answer of a little over 1,000,000 light years.
If we were only 1,000,000 light years from the Isle of Paradise, we should be able to easily see with our telescopes something quite similar to the illustrations drawn in accordance with the purported cosmology of TUB.
Problem is that we don't see anything remotely similar to these diagrams with all the pictures collected from Hubble or any other telescope. Hence, observed reality does not match the cosmology of the Urantia Papers. No matter where we look with our modern telescopes we simply do not see seven galaxies all lined up like pretty maids all in a row on the same plane.
The Andromeda Galaxy, which happens to be mentioned by name in the Uantia Papers, is the closest neighboring galaxy and is about 2,500,000 light years distant according to modern science. Yet, the Urantia Papers do not seem to include it with Orvonton or any other superuniverse for that matter. And there most certainly are not anything similar to the major sectors as depicted in this illustration when we observe the Milky Way, Andromeda, or any other galaxy.
If the Dark Gravity Bodies hide Havona and Paradise AND if all the superuniverse galaxies are in the same plane, then these same Dark Gravity Bodies would also hide the galaxies on the other side from us creating a huge dark void where no stars appear to be and no visible light shines. Telescopes do show some voids in between long strings of galaxies called superclusters, but superclusters are not in the same plane. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be any evidence to indicate Dark Gravity Bodies hiding anything.
This specific diagram which Tasneem has shared doesn't even depict an eliptical orbit. It shows a circular one. It also shows an arrow pointing "North". Such a direction must be relative to something else or it has no meaning. Another discrepancy.
As I have attempted to show on other threads using quotes from TUB describing this illustrated cosmology as compared with observed reality, the quotes are oftimes ambiguous, contradictory, mathematically inaccurate, and subject to interpretation. Other students of the Urantia Papers have attempted to correlate the Urantia Book information with observed reality. So far each attempt yields a different conclusion. One would think that a textbook of Truth which TUB is purported to be would be more consistent in its revelation and that all students of the Urantia Paper could easily arrive at the same conclusions based on the same information. This apparently is not the case. I, for one, remain a partial skeptic of the Urantia Papers.
Perhaps if the so-called "revelators" saw fit to include diagrams or illustrations of this cosmology making clear their meaning without any ambiguosity, inconsistency, or misinterpretation there would be no confusion.
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Last edited by rhermen on Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:26 am +0000, edited 4 times in total.
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This suggests to me with my tiny intellect.. that there would be other Supreme beings out there too with other Super universes... etc .... Can anyone draw a 3D diagram of this maltese cross thingy universe coz im not getting it... 
