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Re: How Much is Enough?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:03 pm +0000

nodAmanaV wrote:
fanofVan wrote:Salvation does not depend upon fusion.

If that's the case, what does salvation depend on?

Well....that is the question at hand!! What's your opinion? And supporting text? Thanks!


The fact is that fusion depends upon our salvation!! Not the other way around.

According to the UB, our salvation is an evolutionary process and journey that begins at our birth and connection to the 6th and 7th Adjutants (which simply means born human with normal brain function) and the ministry of the Holy Spirit. It continues as we begin to gain a moral perspective and has definitely progressed significantly upon the birth of soul and arrival of the Adjuster.

It (salvation) continues according to our spiritization by the TA ministry and as we make progress through the 7 Psychic Circles. Remember the quote above about the jubilees? Fusion is the third:

"The first jubilee marked the mortal agreement with the Thought Adjuster when the purpose to survive was sealed; the second was the awakening in the morontia life; the third was the fusion with the Thought Adjuster....."

And the original quote on "true salvation":

103:7.2 (1137.7) True salvation is the technique of the divine evolution of the mortal mind from matter identification through the realms of morontia liaison to the high universe status of spiritual correlation...

The divine evolution of the mortal mind....THAT is true salvation.

What delivers true salvation we might wonder? It is the relationship connection established by God and the ministries of the Holy Spirit, higher adjutants, the Spirit of Truth, and the Thought Adjuster!! The Divine connection of Deity to mortal mind IS SALVATION. The "finality" of human salvation might be fusion or might really only come as 6th stage spirits mustered into the Corps of Finality. I don't really know.

What I do know is that Jim's claims here on the matter are false and contradict the UB...again. True salvation is NOT a function or result of fusion but is, rather, a function of the Divine ministry and connection, creating the resulting faith experience, which begins as children on the world's of birth and origin and certainly long before fusion. And resurrection on the mansion worlds is but another step along this experience of spiritization.

Mortal salvation is a process of relationship and evolutionary growth in cooperation with the Divine ministry to mind. I think salvation is simply another term for personal religious experience and spiritization...

Or so I understand the UB to teach..... :wink:

107:6.2 (1182.4) The Adjuster is man’s eternity possibility; man is the Adjuster’s personality possibility. Your individual Adjusters work to spiritize you in the hope of eternalizing your temporal identity....

110:6.1 (1209.1) The sum total of personality realization on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality. Entrance upon the seventh circle marks the beginning of true human personality function. Completion of the first circle denotes the relative maturity of the mortal being. Though the traversal of the seven circles of cosmic growth does not equal fusion with the Adjuster, the mastery of these circles marks the attainment of those steps which are preliminary to Adjuster fusion.

110:6.2 (1209.2) The Adjuster is your equal partner in the attainment of the seven circles—the achievement of comparative mortal maturity. The Adjuster ascends the circles with you from the seventh to the first but progresses to the status of supremacy and self-activity quite independent of the active co-operation of the mortal mind.

110:6.3 (1209.3) The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement....

Re: How Much is Enough?

Fri May 07, 2021 8:08 am +0000

103:2.10 (1131.9) Man tends to identify the urge to be self-serving with his ego—himself. In contrast he is inclined to identify the will to be altruistic with some influence outside himself—God. And indeed is such a judgment right, for all such nonself desires do actually have their origin in the leadings of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, and this Adjuster is a fragment of God. The impulse of the spirit Monitor is realized in human consciousness as the urge to be altruistic, fellow-creature minded. At least this is the early and fundamental experience of the child mind. When the growing child fails of personality unification, the altruistic drive may become so overdeveloped as to work serious injury to the welfare of the self. A misguided conscience can become responsible for much conflict, worry, sorrow, and no end of human unhappiness.

Me here: Such important concepts here!! This is the very essence, truly, of the Jesusonian Gospel!!

God NEVER withdraws from the children and plilgrims of time! Not ever. Not for any reason whatsoever.

God NEVER withholds paternal love and the Divine Affection from the children and pilgrims of time! Not ever. Not for any reason whatsoever.

God NEVER requires anything for giving forgiveness or mercy to the children and pilgrims of time! Not ever. Not for any reason whatsoever.

But the disloyalty by and the guilt of those children of time can, and so often does, lead to a self-separation due to our feelings of guilt and our anxieties which are a result of fear - the fears of lost salvation, fears of unworthiness, fears of God's anger and wrath, fears of our own ignorance and sinfulness. "A misguided conscience can become responsible for much conflict, worry, sorrow, and no end of human unhappiness."

The Master taught us, and the UB reiterates, the universe reality fact that God loves all the children of time in all of creation. God loves us each personally and directly and God loves us all collectively and uniformly too.

But we can isolate ourselves from God by our own fears and guilt. Guilt can and does destroy human happiness and prevents the peace of mind that always comes to those children of time that do not fear God or the wrath of God but embrace the relationship of parent and child as taught by the Master. God's love and mercy must be received...not given. God's love and affection and mercy and forgiveness are ALWAYS given and cannot be deserved or earned or bargained for by sacrifice or gifts or bribes or pleas!! We receive love and mercy to the degree that we give love and mercy to others...according to the teachings of the Master and the Revelation we study here together.

89:10.2 (984.5) Sin must be redefined as deliberate disloyalty to Deity. There are degrees of disloyalty: the partial loyalty of indecision; the divided loyalty of confliction; the dying loyalty of indifference; and the death of loyalty exhibited in devotion to godless ideals.

89:10.3 (984.6) The sense or feeling of guilt is the consciousness of the violation of the mores; it is not necessarily sin. There is no real sin in the absence of conscious disloyalty to Deity.

89:10.4 (984.7) The possibility of the recognition of the sense of guilt is a badge of transcendent distinction for mankind. It does not mark man as mean but rather sets him apart as a creature of potential greatness and ever-ascending glory. Such a sense of unworthiness is the initial stimulus that should lead quickly and surely to those faith conquests which translate the mortal mind to the superb levels of moral nobility, cosmic insight, and spiritual living; thus are all the meanings of human existence changed from the temporal to the eternal, and all values are elevated from the human to the divine.

89:10.5 (984.8) The confession of sin is a manful repudiation of disloyalty, but it in no wise mitigates the time-space consequences of such disloyalty. But confession—sincere recognition of the nature of sin—is essential to religious growth and spiritual progress.

89:10.6 (985.1) The forgiveness of sin by Deity is the renewal of loyalty relations following a period of the human consciousness of the lapse of such relations as the consequence of conscious rebellion. The forgiveness does not have to be sought, only received as the consciousness of re-establishment of loyalty relations between the creature and the Creator. And all the loyal sons of God are happy, service-loving, and ever-progressive in the Paradise ascent.


2:4.2 (38.2) God is inherently kind, naturally compassionate, and everlastingly merciful. And never is it necessary that any influence be brought to bear upon the Father to call forth his loving-kindness. The creature’s need is wholly sufficient to insure the full flow of the Father’s tender mercies and his saving grace. Since God knows all about his children, it is easy for him to forgive. The better man understands his neighbor, the easier it will be to forgive him, even to love him.

2:4.4 (38.4) Mercy is the natural and inevitable offspring of goodness and love. The good nature of a loving Father could not possibly withhold the wise ministry of mercy to each member of every group of his universe children. Eternal justice and divine mercy together constitute what in human experience would be called fairness.

2:5.1 (38.6) “God is love”; therefore his only personal attitude towards the affairs of the universe is always a reaction of divine affection. The Father loves us sufficiently to bestow his life upon us. “He makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.”

2:5.2 (39.1) It is wrong to think of God as being coaxed into loving his children because of the sacrifices of his Sons or the intercession of his subordinate creatures, “for the Father himself loves you.” It is in response to this paternal affection that God sends the marvelous Adjusters to indwell the minds of men. God’s love is universal; “whosoever will may come.” He would “have all men be saved by coming into the knowledge of the truth.” He is “not willing that any should perish.”

2:6.6 (41.4) The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality—one of justice and one of mercy—neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.

2:6.9 (42.1) Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness—the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.

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