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Further, in Paper 111 we're cautioned that "The inner and the outer worlds have a different set of values. Any civilization is in jeopardy when three quarters of its youth enter materialistic professions and devote themselves to the pursuit of the sensory activities of the outer world. Civilization is in danger when youth neglect to interest themselves in ethics, sociology, eugenics, philosophy, the fine arts, religion, and cosmology." What does this indicate about the state of evolution of our culture?


Larry, when you say “our culture”, in my comments I will define “our culture” as “planetary” – not “American” unless so designated.

To me, it indicates the following:

1) That, for some reason, we – as citizens of the planet - currently need a sharp contrast between good and evil, right and wrong, in order to make forward progress toward light and life.
2) That technology has evolved our ability to communicate events, opinions, ideas, errors, enlightenments, etc., faster than most individuals are able to assimilate, sort, embrace and discard information in an effective manner.
3) That these sharp contrasts are no longer effectively contained or organized within older political and organizational framewords [Republican vs. Democrats in America; conservative vs. liberal; traditional vs. progressive; religious vs. secular.]
4) That these sharp contrasts are highlighting our parental neglects – roles for child rearing have oviated parental obligations in favor of others –states, schools, nations, media, internet, TV programming, etc.
5) That the “FAMILY OF GOD” is evoling – slowly. That some adjustments are necessary – done slowly. That effective leadership in government, education, and media is absent – and needs immediate attention.

IMHO, Ray


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Hi Ray & Larry,

Ray, Larry did use the word "American" in one of his sentences in his last post.

I agree with your wanting to include everyone is such a consideration and make it "planetary", but the problem is that there is no single culture on our world anywhere right now. Even in the United States, there is no one singular group of united culture.

Perhaps these considerations need to be broken down further into subgroups. What is (any-thing) currently prevalent in one cultural group, may have little resemblance to what is currently prevalent in the next-door neighboring group. Even within the same state, city, or even neighborhood.

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Hi Vann, I started geographical threads under the heading "LRP -Long Range Plan" in the Open Forum but it did not take hold. While different cultures do exist around the globe. we are becoming more and more interdependent. The distinctive considerations you suggest might be beyond our ability at this point. What do your think?

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Hi Ray,

Well I dunno. I only had an observation that it is very difficult to say anything much under such general catagories as "our" culture. Who is "our?"

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I used American in the context that it's the only culture I have any experience with for making observations -- although it is diverse I feel I'm well enough versed in it to comment. Anyone having experience in other cultures is welcome to make their own observations.


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It is no wonder to me that cultures that value tradition are rebelling against the indiscriminate and seemingly immoral Western cultures. There is much security in holding onto set rules and laws of conduct that clearly define the difference between right and wrong. In the long run, learning how to differentiate between what is truly right and wrong will result in the growth of wisdom. I think what we are going through in terms of flaunting individualism is the price we may have to pay for that.


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Hi Iris,

Great insights. I find your final comment about cultures that value tradition rebelling against what the west has to offer especially thought provoking since the most tradition bound cultures I believe are mid-Eastern ones, which are still living with tribal-like mores and customs. In that sense, western culture is considerably more advanced along the path toward more enlightened social interaction but we've gone there at the expense of losing sight of the traditions that are most necessary and valuable. Perhaps that's where the massive infusion of Latino social and family values will have an improving impact on the culture of the USA. As much as tradition bound cultures may rebel, western technology along with instant access to information are pulling the rest of the underdeveloped nations along with it -- it's not going to go away but we can hope that our spiritual and social values eventually catch up with our scientific development.


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Perhaps that's where the massive infusion of Latino social and family values will have an improving impact on the culture of the USA.


That's a new and interesting perspective for me since I've always considered the Latino family values to be moored primarily to a Christian ethos. TUB certainly stresses the importance of family. But what about Latino gangs and the menacing subculture that we are also inheriting?

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That's a new and interesting perspective for me since I've always considered the Latino family values to be moored primarily to a Christian ethos. TUB certainly stresses the importance of family. But what about Latino gangs and the menacing subculture that we are also inheriting?
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I would assume that they will blend/fight for survival just as our own ancestors have done/are doing.

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If our Material Son and Daughter were still here, they would have established schools for members of all the races to attend in order to take back to their people what they learned, thus influencing the world. Isn't that what we are doing, but in a less perfect way? I think that TUB would not have given us the example of a similar nation on a nearby planet which is doing the same thing, if they were not trying to encourage us to continue influencing the world through education. Therefore, I think it behooves us to do it right and clean up some of the problems in our society, if only we could all agree on what they are. But, I think it would be a good start to begin with families and young people.

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Hi Iris,

Your comment about war brings to mind that in many countries it is expected that youth provide several years of military service. I like that idea -- especially at this time. So many young people arrive at "adulthood" with an irresponsible attitude, no discipline, no sense of self-worth, nothing to offer society or another person or themselves. Military discipline is perhaps the best cure for all of these afflictions. If military service were made compulsory for one generation, for just the next 20 years, I think American society would see a dramatic improvement.


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I agree Larry, provided military service makes room for those individuals who want to serve in ways that don't involve shooting and killing. It would be a wonderful way for young people to learn other skills as well. There's plenty of need for cooks, mechanics, medics, technicians of all flavors, padres, clerks, the list goes on. And mandatory military service should also include the National Guard which responds to natural disasters, perhaps even expanding into the FEMA end of government service, rebuilding homes and towns. There's plenty of constructive things for young people to do.

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Ray said that we need a sharp contrast between good and evil, right and wrong. I don't completely agree with that, but that is precisely how primitive cultures held things together.


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We had to break up the family in order to fully emancipate woman, but we will eventually go back to it once woman feels more secure that her place in the world won't be taken away if she chooses to tend to the home and children for a while. Likewise, multigenerational families need to have a comeback as well. This just might happen now that all the boomers are getting old. We'll have to wait and see.


Iris, my point was that perhaps humanity needs a contrast from time to time in order to compare what they have with what they have abandoned. Your insight into the emancipation of women via conflicts within the long-established family structure is exactly the type of contrast I had in mind. Now that they are liberated – at least in America and many Western cultures – I would hope most men and women can reembrace the old established nuclear family where men and women are co-equals and co-responsible in all aspects of family life and child rearing.

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my point was that perhaps humanity needs a contrast from time to time in order to compare what they have with what they have abandoned.


I can agree with that. Maybe that is what we are going through now. The problem that I see is that mankind has such a limited outlook. The lines are blurred between right and wrong and the wisdom needed to know the difference is just not being developed.

I think we're essentially on the same page.

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