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Hi As-Above. I fully agree. And many relevant TUB quotes may be found here: Relativity and TUB.As-Above-So-Below wrote:… the video was extremely well done. I think that there are many parallel UB quotes that can be applied with the video's view, especially in the inward look at the universe. These same principles will probably be applied to some universal constants, regardless of size. …
Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:18 am +0000
Bart: I really wonder how much longer the admins will tolerate your provocative, nonsensical disruptive posts and comments. I stated elsewhere that there should be a forum rule against proclaiming obvious nonsense.
Who do you actually think you are? I provided an excellent video illustrating some of the intriguing phenomena that are undisputedly going on in the microscopic (quantum) realm of reality for anyone who is interested, and you shamelessly suggest that it should be taken with a grain of salt because of what you think Chris Halvorson thinks.
Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:33 pm +0000
The video talks about quantum entanglement, quantum tunnelling, quantum non-locality, et cetera, all of which are NOT theories but observable phenomena. These are all empirical FACTS. No physicist in his right mind denies their reality and I’m sure Chris Halvorson doesn’t either.boomshuka wrote:@Bart the video talks about time travel, particle teleportation and the observer affecting particles by just observing them. How can we not take this with a grain of salt? This stuff is definitely not all fact. Most if it is theory, and a lot of this theory is not talked about in the urantia book. Quantum entanglement is observable but what exactly is happening is still considered theory.
For an extensive discussion about the eternal circle of reality see: Relativity and TUB. You didn’t respond to questions aked to you there, and bringing this topic on here is obviously an attempt to disrupt this discussion.boomshuka wrote:… I don't see those theories being supported by the u.b nor do I feel that an infinite oscillation is supported by the urantia book, and those are all theories not facts.
Again, if you don’t agree with anything, then please provide relevant arguments and/or references in support of your opinions.boomshuka wrote:The videos explanation of quantum tunnelling is that "particles are borrowing energy from the future". Thats rich. The video also suggests that "reality may be a figment of our imagination". This video is loaded with magical theories that are not supported by the u.b.
Again, if you don’t agree with anything, then please provide relevant arguments and/or references in support of your opinion.boomshuka wrote:… You take this stuff way to personally. Lighten up dude. I am not writing this stuff to attack you or anything like that. Its intriguing in many ways, I just don't think we should gobble it down as fact because its mesmerizing.
Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:59 pm +0000
boomshuka wrote:. . . . the video talks about time travel, particle teleportation and the observer affecting particles by just observing them. How can we not take this with a grain of salt? This stuff is definitely not all fact. Most if it is theory, and a lot of this theory is not talked about in the urantia book. Quantum entanglement is observable but what exactly is happening is still considered theory.
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I feel the same way about particles going back in time and particles teleportating. I don't see those theories being supported by the u.b nor do I feel that an infinite oscillation is supported by the urantia book, and those are all theories not facts. The videos explanation of quantum tunnelling is that "particles are borrowing energy from the future". Thats rich. The video also suggests that "reality may be a figment of our imagination". This video is loaded with magical theories that are not supported by the u.b.
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You take this stuff way to personally. Lighten up dude. I am not writing this stuff to attack you or anything like that. Its intriguing in many ways, I just don't think we should gobble it down as fact because its mesmerizing.
Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:23 pm +0000
By discarding anything I say without proper argumentation, YOU make this discussion a personal issue. I assume you know very well that if you just call other people liars or fools, they tend to take it personally.
Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:09 am +0000
And Boom, I agree that this is your opinion, and can you provide credentials so support your opinion?boomshuka wrote:@Above-so-below all I am saying is that much of (theoretical) side of quantum physics should be taken with a grain of salt. That is not in any way an attack on Bart, I am not inferring that he is a fool or anything like that. I am questioning the theories presented within this video and they are theories. Quantum entanglement, quantum tunnelling and quantum non-locality are observable phenomonon but this video takes those observations and uses them to form extravagant theories. "Particles borrowing energy from the future" is not a fact. "reality as a figment of our imagination" is not fact, these are not even widely considered theories. "Teleportation" of anything is not a fact.
Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:47 am +0000
boomshuka wrote:@Above-so-below all I am saying is that much of (theoretical) side of quantum physics should be taken with a grain of salt. That is not in any way an attack on Bart, I am not inferring that he is a fool or anything like that. I am questioning the theories presented within this video and they are theories. Quantum entanglement, quantum tunnelling and quantum non-locality are observable phenomonon but this video takes those observations and uses them to form extravagant theories. "Particles borrowing energy from the future" is not a fact. "reality as a figment of our imagination" is not fact, these are not even widely considered theories. "Teleportation" of anything is not a fact.All I said is that we should take this video with a grain of salt and you take it personally,-I don't see how you think I am infering you are a fool or liar?! This is simply a online debate, nothing needs to be taken personal.Bart wrote:By discarding anything I say without proper argumentation, YOU make this discussion a personal issue. I assume you know very well that if you just call other people liars or fools, they tend to take it personally.
Also its very difficult to debate a concept that has no basis in reality. Such as "reality is just a figment of our consciousness" as was brought up in this video. The u.b states that finite reality is very real, and that it is not a projectin of our consciousness. Also teleportation seems incredibly unlikely, there is no being in all the universe with powers of teleportation, the highest finite beings have the ability of incredible speeds of locomation but none can literaly teleport. Theoretically anything is possible though, all I am saying is that I wouldn't personally accept such theories until there is some verification. That is how I feel though, anyone can feel how they want about this.