One of the best ways to become more... is to have a group gathering of like minded people. People that Foster and Augment the best in you, as well you them, if that be a church so be it, or a conference, or what ever... it aids greatly to have a consistent place to fellowship and challenge each other to grow in a common pursuit of goals.

p1739:06 You are destined to live a narrow and mean life if you learn to love only those who love you. Human love may indeed be reciprocal, but divine love is outgoing in all its satisfaction-seeking. The less of love in any creature's nature, the greater the love need, and the more does divine love seek to satisfy such need. Love is never self-seeking, and it cannot be self-bestowed. Divine love cannot be self-contained; it must be unselfishly bestowed.

p1739:06 You are destined to live a narrow and mean life if you learn to love only those who love you. Human love may indeed be reciprocal, but divine love is outgoing in all its satisfaction-seeking. The less of love in any creature's nature, the greater the love need, and the more does divine love seek to satisfy such need. Love is never self-seeking, and it cannot be self-bestowed. Divine love cannot be self-contained; it must be unselfishly bestowed.

(1467.2) 132:7.6 Then exclaimed Ganid: “Teacher, let’s you and I make a new religion, one good enough for India and big enough for Rome, and maybe we can trade it to the Jews for Yahweh.” And Jesus replied: “Ganid, religions are not made. The religions of men grow up over long periods of time, while the revelations of God flash upon earth in the lives of the men who reveal God to their fellows.” But they did not comprehend the meaning of these prophetic words.

evolution and revelation do not exist apart from each other. period.

u r in the middle of a church whether it be here, there, everywhere or nowhere.

Perhaps we are making a church now but do not know it.

130:4.3 Always must the desire to do the Father's will be supreme in the soul and dominant over the mind of an ascending son of God.

111:2.2 The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings—a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

so much to learn from/with one another

to be w/ "like minded" ones, imho, is meant to mean those who have been graced and gifted w/ the FER. if so, isn't it ever so evident that even we like minded brethren are so very different so as to foster abundant opportunities to learn and grow, even within our chosen circles? what, then, is truthbook? why do we come here where it is closely monitored (pun intended) as to who says what, when ? what could possibly be "wrong" with UB readers coming together to worship/fellowship/serve in a place that is more or less deemed UB focused and inspired?

smm

But consider, if you will, the track record of all past revelations… even the revelation of the living god, given to humanity by the Son of Man:

Each of these revelations radically lifted certain segments of human society… gave to its lucky recipients a new and higher spirituality… and each of these revelations in turn sank to the evolutionary level where it could be assimilated by the rest of humanity.

KP, I applaud your keen insight. Your ability to realize what a travesty the formulization of the UB into a religion for the masses will be. However, I say that for this revelation to succeed, this travesty is not only inevitable, it is desirable, and even mandatory.

[1] Wouldn't it be great if there was a place where persons could learn what that statement meant and how best to live it, thus going out into the world and spreading the love that only comes from the Father.

[2] The teaching of El Elyon where not individual persons studying on there own, they were all pulled to gather by Mel... and taught what and how, and filled with the inspiration to do what has never been done before. Have you read how they went out in to the world and influence every know faith on this planet. that has to be a great example of how to get things started.

[3] I for one am bombarded by so many negative in this life, that just to have a sanctuary to go to would be a soul settling thing all on it own.

[4] I would never support a new church of dogmas and tradition ..so unyielding as the ones we now have all over this planet. but i wholeheartedly support a spirit lead and open door love for life, want to teach and never stop growing place of spiritual feeding.

Gee, kreneep, I didn't take JB's post to be anything more than a general summary of his thoughts on this topic...not for or against anyone, not really pro or con. He'll have to respond (or not) for himself but I didn't read anything about you or anything about what you have posted in what he wrote. This thread has been running quite a few months and multiple people have been popping in and out with a variety of comments/thoughts.

Peace
Jo


NOt sure why I would even bother to comment back to this.... but....

I said "Awaken out of your unconsciousness people... become ...."

JBarry said: "One of the best ways to become more... is to have a group gathering of like minded people. People that Foster and Augment the best in you, as well you them, if that be a church so be it..."

I also have talked about not forming a "church" out of the Urantia Book revelations and JBarry said: "if some one is great at the solo thing more power to them, but the majority of people learn best from those around them."

Jak, I don't just read with my eyes, I read with intuitive and cognitive understanding behind what people are saying on the surface. I don't "read into" what someone says, as you are suggesting... but think as you will.

Kp...what I posted was meant only as a clarification...not a criticism. Maybe it is only that you are not aware that those you are putting down with your "!!!" and "_____" and "[b]bold"[/b] are the very one's who are intimately involved with their Creator and actively living out that belief in their daily lives, they are very actively involved with others as they go about their days. They calmly post a thought or reflection or personal point of view and your response is anything but calm, and seems to hold an underlying anger. They are living exactly what you are saying.

Just clarifying a little more, that's all.

Peace
Jo

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Kp...what I posted was meant only as a clarification...not a criticism. Maybe it is only that you are not aware that those you are putting down with your "!!!" and "_____" and "bold" are the very one's who are intimately involved with their Creator and actively living out that belief in their daily lives, they are very actively involved with others as they go about their days. They calmly post a thought or reflection or personal point of view and your response is anything but calm, and seems to hold an underlying anger. They are living exactly what you are saying.




Jak
First of all, why are you always misreading, misinterpreting what I write. I put things in bold or CAPITALIZE the word and use !!! to emphasize something I am writing. That is an acceptable and usual way of expression among those who like to be sure whomever is reading will "get the point" or know that particular word or part is more emphasized in my mind. If you don't understand that, or accept that, oh well!!!

But, please stop criticizing what is not meant for you. I am NOT putting anyone down. I also calmly put my posts on here. I am not angry and have no agenda and have no underlying anger. I am just expressing myself differently than you or others. So cool it!!!