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I was what would be catagorized as Atheist or Agnostic... truth is, I was never exposed to any religion really, people in my area are mostly Christian. I had the opportunity to go to church 3 times with a childhood friend growing up, but we were kids, we just played. I've been to a few funerals and thats about all my experiences with religion. I've always had a scientific mind and have always been skeptical of anything that could not be proven. That all changed through some experiences over the last couple years which led me to finding God within myself. The Urantia Book has helped me understand what has happened to me and helped me understand the answers to alot of questions I have been asking myself my entire life. And it has helped me become a better person, and it keeps helping me.


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new age metaphysical studier of all sorts of books in that genre and groups, etc. of such activity. raised catholic but never did much with it. i can call myself a christian, no reason to go into jesus being a universal ruler and not the second person of deity. 8. TAOISM 131:8.2 “How pure and tranquil is the Supreme One and yet how powerful and mighty, how deep and unfathomable! This God of heaven is the honored ancestor of all things. If you know the Eternal, you are enlightened and wise. If you know not the Eternal, then does ignorance manifest itself as evil, and thus do the passions of sin arise. This wondrous Being existed before the heavens and the earth were. He is truly spiritual; he stands alone and changes not. He is indeed the world’s mother, and all creation moves around him. This Great One imparts himself to men and thereby enables them to excel and to survive. Even if one has but a little knowledge, he can still walk in the ways of the Supreme; he can conform to the will of heaven." sounds good to me, even got the name of the supreme being in there.

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Hey there everyone. I was just wondering what your religion was or your beliefs before finding the Urantia book. I ask this because the Ub focuses on many aspects of what beliefs should be and because its interesting ! :smile:

What I was : I was ( and still consider My self) a Christian. I aspired (and still do) to some aspects of Taoism.

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I am a Jew. But my family was entirely Non-Observant, and I started studying religion in the Roman Catholic and Church of England traditions. I studied many religions (Mormonism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam), but ultimately decided to go with the Faith of my fathers.

I still consider myself a Traditional Jew. The UB has enriched my Faith life, rather than changed it. It has added depth and challenge to it. I still keep kosher and attend Synagogue each week.


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My earliest recollection of religious involvement was attending a protestant Sunday School lecture at about the age of 7.

The woman teacher presented a quick, simplified version of the Genesis story and said that Eve sinned by eating an apple. I very, very clearly could already "see" what Adam and Eve had contributed to my own makeup that was so very different from what most mothers and fathers of our day contribute to their children. That included a powerful spiritual insight that instinctively knew what Eve had really done. So I said to her in no uncertain terms "That was no apple that Eve ate!".

She got visibly angry at me for that which made me lose all respect for her ability to teach and lead. My parents were very reasonable and gave me the choice of whether to continue in that or any other Sunday School. I declined henceforth to participate and knew from then on that independent study and search was going to be needed to find uncorrupted truth in life. Twelve years later I discovered TUB in the local library after several weeks of intense searching and knew right away its value and what it would mean for continued development and adjustment in life.


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Good for you and your thinking mind and to question. I was the same way... Raised Catholic and never encouraged to think or question... Sit quietly and listen and believe every word spoken from the pulpit... but I had so many questions that I had to leave and go on my own journey to find some answers. I studied most major religions and read a lot... and not until I found the big blue book sitting on a coffee table at the house I was staying at in Hawaii... In the middle of the night with the rain pouring down I opened the pages and started reading.... I found myself shaking and then crying and knew that I was home. that was in 1974 and I am still home but with much understanding... Aloha to all... and have a wonderfully blessed year. <3

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Methodist (K-5th grade), Christian & Missionary Alliance (6th-12th grade). Hutterian Society of Brothers. Benedictine monastery resident. Fellowship Mennonite (think black cars). Then nothing. Twelve Tribes communal society sect/cult. Dowsing society. Simple witchcraft, spells, talismans, and divination with resulting negative experiences and entities. AMORC Rosicrucian. Zen. Eckankar. MeditationGuru.com simple meditation. Islam member (now technically under the death penalty for leaving and sharing with others what is not commonly known), Seventh-day Adventist church. And finally at age 50, a happy member of a Southern Missionary black Baptist church with pentecostal leanings and a reader of the Bible, Kenneth Hagin (father & son), and the Urantia Papers. Though i deeply benefit from the UB, i have not rejected Jesus death on the cross for my sins, which some UB readers may find repulsive or a type of heresy. I guess i remain somewhat mithraic in this sense, but honestly so of my own choosing. The final blood atonement sacrifice is very meaningful and special to me. I thought for a couple years i would need to choose between Christianity and the Urantia Papers, but i can now see that is not necessary and will not likely occur, even though there are honest differences/contradictions between the two. Our Gospel church has the friendships, music, preaching, testimonies, charity outreach, personal prayer together, and moral values we believe in, but the UB has many insights and details that are a treasure.
I decided to share the above to show that UB readers can be anyone and we are all free to come to our own conclusions, not the conclusions of other Christians or the conclusions of other UB readers, as we make this journey through life. Some people will not 100% accept the Bible or the UB, but that can be okay. I want to be completely honest with God, Christ Michael/Yahshua and myself, and this is where i'm at so far. It's not like i went through all these other experiences and now i finally found what i've always wanted in the UB. Because i didn't and haven't. I don't believe the the inerrancy/infallibility of the Bible or the UB, but i treasure each. Thanks for asking.


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Thank you for sharing you journey... and yes I am a Truthseeker and truth is everywhere and I have a good baseline now to discern. :wink:

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Thank you for sharing you journey... and yes I am a Truthseeker and truth is everywhere and I have a good baseline now to discern. :wink:


I very much appreciated your story of how you came to the Urantia Papers. It is beautiful. And, i wish it could be the same way for me, and maybe in time it will be. One thing that has perplexed me somewhat is that if truth is everywhere, why does much of the truth contradict each other in different ways. I'm not asking this to be argumentative, but to try to get a better handle on it all. I see good common denominators in the various religions i've been in, but also very major differences/contradictions. I feel like i need to pick one to mostly focus upon for my own well-being and to cut down on the inner turmoil and confusion due to significant contradictions. At the same time, i feel like i'm not scientific and otherwise knowledgeable enough to know who's got all or most of the truth for me. I can say i never receive anything negative from the Urantia Book, and that to me is a good sign.


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Greetings, ERIC:

I am going to be bluntly honest with you. Kind, I hope, but bluntly honest. I am enjoying the UB. I find it fascinating. HOWEVER, and that is the key word, I have the same problem you do. I am a Traditional Observant Jew.

Now, if you're not a Jew, you may not get that. So, let me break it down for you. There are 15 million Jews in the world. About half of us are non-religious. The other half are religious, 80% of those being Orthodox, and the remainder being Conservative or Reform. Within the Orthodox community you get everything from Chasidim to Heredim to Modern Orthodox. Those are just three different ways of being Orthodox. If I tried to break that down, we'd be here all night.

Now, in my city, I attend a Synagogue on Friday night that is Reform, and on Saturday either Orthodox or Conservative. My personal Prayers are either out of an Orthodox or Reform book, depending on what I have time for (Orthodox is much longer).

So I don't tell people that I am "Orthodox" or "Conservative". Instead I say that I am Traditional and Observant.

Now, what is the point of all that? Well, ultimately, it comes down to this: Judaism is either a Divinely Revealed Religion or it is not. If it is not, then fine. But if it is, then it makes certain Truth Claims for itself. And those Truth Claims are incompatible with the claims that other religions make. For example: Either Jesus is the Messiah or he is not. He can't be both. Either Mohammed is a Prophet or he is not. He can't be both. It does us all a disservice to claim that we are all right. We might all be wrong, but we can't all be right. If Judaism is right, then Jesus is NOT the Messiah. If Christianity is right, then he is the Messiah, and we are full of crap.

So, while I find the UB interesting, and definitely worth reading, I can only accept the parts of it that are compatible with Judaism. When it diverges from Judaism, then I must respectfully part ways with the book. Now, that doesn't mean that I have to be nasty. My wife is a Lutheran. I am not nasty to her about our differences. We have agreed to disagree about things, and we each do our own thing. We are not having children, so that is no problem.

But ultimately, yes, you do have to choose. If you choose the UB, that is certainly your right and prerogative, and I respect you for that. If you choose Shinto, hey, go for it. But choose. You can't sit on the fence. You have to ultimately make a choice. For me, Judaism is Divinely Revealed, and that is where I draw the line in the sand.

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Greetings, ERIC:

I am going to be bluntly honest with you. Kind, I hope, but bluntly honest. I am enjoying the UB. I find it fascinating. HOWEVER, and that is the key word, I have the same problem you do. I am a Traditional Observant Jew.

Now, if you're not a Jew, you may not get that. So, let me break it down for you. There are 15 million Jews in the world. About half of us are non-religious. The other half are religious, 80% of those being Orthodox, and the remainder being Conservative or Reform. Within the Orthodox community you get everything from Chasidim to Heredim to Modern Orthodox. Those are just three different ways of being Orthodox. If I tried to break that down, we'd be here all night.

Now, in my city, I attend a Synagogue on Friday night that is Reform, and on Saturday either Orthodox or Conservative. My personal Prayers are either out of an Orthodox or Reform book, depending on what I have time for (Orthodox is much longer).

So I don't tell people that I am "Orthodox" or "Conservative". Instead I say that I am Traditional and Observant.

Now, what is the point of all that? Well, ultimately, it comes down to this: Judaism is either a Divinely Revealed Religion or it is not. If it is not, then fine. But if it is, then it makes certain Truth Claims for itself. And those Truth Claims are incompatible with the claims that other religions make. For example: Either Jesus is the Messiah or he is not. He can't be both. Either Mohammed is a Prophet or he is not. He can't be both. It does us all a disservice to claim that we are all right. We might all be wrong, but we can't all be right. If Judaism is right, then Jesus is NOT the Messiah. If Christianity is right, then he is the Messiah, and we are full of crap.

So, while I find the UB interesting, and definitely worth reading, I can only accept the parts of it that are compatible with Judaism. When it diverges from Judaism, then I must respectfully part ways with the book. Now, that doesn't mean that I have to be nasty. My wife is a Lutheran. I am not nasty to her about our differences. We have agreed to disagree about things, and we each do our own thing. We are not having children, so that is no problem.

But ultimately, yes, you do have to choose. If you choose the UB, that is certainly your right and prerogative, and I respect you for that. If you choose Shinto, hey, go for it. But choose. You can't sit on the fence. You have to ultimately make a choice. For me, Judaism is Divinely Revealed, and that is where I draw the line in the sand.

With respect,
Ya'akov


I appreciate your articulation of this. You really nailed it in a number of ways. Well, i guess i honestly just don't know yet for myself. I have strong leanings toward the UB. Sometimes i think life won't be long enough for me to find out, or i'm not intelligent or educated enough within the remaining years to know for sure, but am trying to be optimistic and honest about it all. Thanks for your reply. Some times i hope somebody somewhere, watching humans, can get some humor about watching some of us down here try to figure out what the truth/reality really is. Hopefully it is a kind Creator.


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I appreciate your articulation of this. You really nailed it in a number of ways. Well, i guess i honestly just don't know yet for myself. I have strong leanings toward the UB. Sometimes i think life won't be long enough for me to find out, or i'm not intelligent or educated enough within the remaining years to know for sure, but am trying to be optimistic and honest about it all. Thanks for your reply. Some times i hope somebody somewhere, watching humans, can get some humor about watching some of us down here try to figure out what the truth/reality really is. Hopefully it is a kind Creator.

You are welcome. I don't think I would worry about your intelligence level. If you were as stupid as all that, you would not be here asking the questions! As far as the education, that can always be remedied. Many Community Colleges offer courses in Religion or Philosophy. If you are unable to fit something like that into a schedule, you can always read good books on the subject. In fact, I can probably recommend a few good ones myself for you, and not just on Judaism.

As far as Someone having a sense of humour out there after we die, I'm inclined to agree. I suspect that G-d probably laughs His ass off at the incredibly stupid crap that people do. I know that when I get to my Eden, the first request I am going to make of G-d is to watch of a video of my life, just so I can see all the stupid, incredibly ridiculous felgerkarb I pulled or was involved in and managed to live through. I mean, hell, that will be the funniest effing comedy in the world for me to watch!

Let me think for a few days, and then send me a post here or in PM land, and I shall try to have a short reading list ready for you. Take care.


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TRUTH IS TRUTH

Regardless of ITs Source

And NO ONE So called Holy Book
contains ALL OF THE TRUTH .

ALL CONTAIN ERRORS

Yet the Urantia Book IS NOT A HOLY Book

Its A New Fifth Epocal ... REVELATION
To Mankind .

IT, The UB Reveals many NEW TRUTHS
AND IT Corrects an explains the errors
and falsehoods of mankinds former past
misunderstandings of our past history
an our evolutionary religions an those errors
that they contain .

The Urantia Book IS A NEW Revelation
To Mankind . Not a so called Inspired Holy Book
From man .

And IMO Whats more important than any book
Is to have a personal religious revelation,
experience , ...

Does GOD Our Father care What Religion
or What you believe in really matter
as long as you LOVE HIM And have FAITH
AS Far as our own personal relationship
with him ? IMO I Dont think So,

FAITH IS THE KEY , And Sincerity ...

WE Can sit on the fence an wait to decide
WHAT WE Believe . Yet WE can Choose
NOW OR Later to follow His Plan Or NOT .

ITs NOW And always Will BE Our
Freewill Choice to Choose His Plan or NOT .

(435.7) 39:4.14 The keys of the kingdom of heaven are: sincerity, more sincerity, and more sincerity. All men have these keys. Men use them — advance in spirit status — by decisions, by more decisions, and by more decisions. The highest moral choice is the choice of the highest possible value, and always — in any sphere, in all of them — this is to choose to do the will of God. If man thus chooses, he is great, though he be the humblest citizen of Jerusem or even the least of mortals on Urantia.


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Eric,

While I agree with coop that TRUTH is TRUTH, I also contend that there are different types of truth in our practical daily experience. There are verifiable, material temporal factual truths, and then there are personal philosophical and religious truths.

A key concept is that Truth is relative. I tend to think of Truth as layered, like an onion. Take the phrase: "God made the heavens and the earth." Now, did God The Father literally come from Paradise, snap His fingers, and voila instantly from nothing came everything-- the galaxies, the stars, the sun, earth and moon, the plants and animals? If we listen to modern science, the answer is plainly no. We see evolution, we see time. Hence an apparent contradiction between our religious texts and factual "truths."

But did God create the conditions in which matter exists, personalities were eventuated and created, such that ultimately the universe as we have it today emerged? Yes! So, in that sense, God did make the heavens and the earth. Thus an apparent contradiction is resolved when you recognize that truths are contradictory only when you make them so.

I find that more often than not, such contradictions can be resolved. But a necessary condition for such a resolution is a more enlightened and broader perspective. This can only come with experience and, in many cases, revelation.

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I must have patience as all will be revealed in time. The main thing is what I do today. and I pray...it is my will that thy will be done. Get up, suit up and put one foot in front of the other and have faith that the leading of the Spirit will shine the light on my path. and... Jesus went about doing good :) Aloha

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