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Why do you think Eve lost patience after so much training and preparation?

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I thought both Adam and Eve suffered from impatience. They both lacked endurance.

(840.2) 75:1.6 Both of them, especially Eve, were altogether too impatient; they were not willing to settle down to the long, long endurance test.

Isn't impatience a sign of immaturity?

(1295.6) 118:1.6 Patience is exercised by those mortals whose time units are short; true maturity transcends patience by a forbearance born of real understanding.


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(840.2) 75:1.6 Both of them, especially Eve, were altogether too impatient; they were not willing to settle down to the long, long endurance test.


Thanks for that quote, had missed it. But, how was Adam impatient do you think, other than following his love into default, if that's even an impatient act?

Not trying to vindicate Adam, just don't get where he was hasty, he's out bustin' his hump 24/7 stomping out the fires the rebels relentlessly start. He did complain "many times", that had to be an influential factor in her being taken "unawares":

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...AFTER more than one hundred years of effort on Urantia, Adam was able to see very little progress outside the Garden; the world at large did not seem to be improving much. The realization of race betterment appeared to be a long way off, and the situation seemed so desperate as to demand something for relief not embraced in the original plans. At least that is what often passed through Adam’s mind, and he so expressed himself many times to Eve. Adam and his mate were loyal, but they were isolated from their kind, and they were sorely distressed by the sorry plight of their world.... 75:0.1 (839.1)

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Rick....your posted quote answers your question. Adam was very disappointed in the results. He measured progress by distance to the objective and felt overwhelmed. Disappointment is a close sibling to impatience.

"....the situation seemed so desperate as to demand something for relief not embraced in the original plans. At least that is what often passed through Adam’s mind, and he so expressed himself many times to Eve."

I think Adam's disappointment fed Eve's impatience. I'm sure the one time Prince fed both disappointment and impatience in both Adam and Eve.

51:3.4 (583.3) The plans for race upstepping are prepared by the Planetary Prince and his staff and are executed by Adam and Eve. And this was where your Material Son and his companion were placed at great disadvantage when they arrived on Urantia. Caligastia offered crafty and effective opposition to the Adamic mission; and notwithstanding that the Melchizedek receivers of Urantia had duly warned both Adam and Eve concerning the planetary dangers inherent in the presence of the rebellious Planetary Prince, this archrebel, by a wily stratagem, outmaneuvered the Edenic pair and entrapped them into a violation of the covenant of their trusteeship as the visible rulers of your world. The traitorous Planetary Prince did succeed in compromising your Adam and Eve, but he failed in his effort to involve them in the Lucifer rebellion.

Although given much training, still does experiential wisdom and the proper time unit perspective take much time and disappointment to master. Here, Adam and Eve were isolated from all support systems and counselors and began to feel as if THEY were failing and unable to succeed in the task given them.

Such disappointment often leads to belief in the lie that the ends justify the means...which is an evil that is never true but is always a temptation and justification...especially I think when one feels sufficiently isolated and facing imminent danger of failure.

Eve accepted a means or method of compromise she believed might relieve Adam's anguishing disappointment and did so out of a sense of duty and loyalty, if misplaced and immature and unwise, and Adam then returned and matched that loyalty to Eve over his duty to our world. Why would anyone find Adam the more noble of the pair? Adam knew of a certainty I think what Eve did not when Adam chose default.

Adam abandoned Urantia to share Eve's fate. Think about it....


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Women are built differently, according to the revelators. They are more susceptible to shortsightedness than men. It seems the particular revelator of the following suggests that women are, in that regard, genetically hardwired to behave in such a way.

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75:2.4 (840.6) It was farthest from Eve’s intention ever to do anything which would militate against Adam’s plans or jeopardize their planetary trust. Knowing the tendency of woman to look upon immediate results rather than to plan farsightedly for more remote effects, the Melchizedeks, before departing, had especially enjoined Eve as to the peculiar dangers besetting their isolated position on the planet and had in particular warned her never to stray from the side of her mate, that is, to attempt no personal or secret methods of furthering their mutual undertakings. Eve had most scrupulously carried out these instructions for more than one hundred years, and it did not occur to her that any danger would attach to the increasingly private and confidential visits she was enjoying with a certain Nodite leader named Serapatatia. The whole affair developed so gradually and naturally that she was taken unawares.




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I believe the loyalty and sincerity of Serapatatia were ultimately exploited. While these are good qualities to possess in an human effort, the ultimate wisdom of his proposal was not being considered when Cain was conceived. You cannot compare the beauty of Cano, the zealousness of Serapatatia, or the beauty of the Urantian Garden of Eden, to anything that we have today.

The goodness and beauty of the original Urantians who prepared the life to come for Adam and Eve, were simply too great, that for one moment the entire remembrance of the Adamic Regime, and the duty to parent 7 generations, before the regulation of intertribal marriage with the Violet Peoples could have been inaugurated.

There was a broken planetary government, and the former supervisors were already castigated, the planet Urantia had already quarantined and silenced from the usual broadcasts of system/local universe progress. This put a greater burden of loneliness upon Adam and Eve.

The rational request, for a prince of Urantian tribe who was taught by, and even born from, the Divine Race the Adamites, is something that for one moment took precedence over the perscribed regulations, that would otherwise apply to a planetary evolution. The story of a Urantian prince who was taught by Pharoahs and Mothers, is echoed even by Moses the Levite. And oh yeah: Jesus' life belongs to Christ Michael's experience as his seventh Incarnation/Bestowal, the Deliverer of the Urantian Peoples. One who is completely divine, who is born to the original people of Urantia. It is a theme born on Urantia as truly as Cain made the people of Nod his people, the Elamites.

However, the problematic notion when the Life Carriers tell us: "evolution, if carried forward without impediment on Urantia, could be achieved within 1,000,000 years," is so severe and problematic, these are the kinds of unbelievable miraculous thinking that cause children to act on impulse.

But you will have to remember that the spiritual administration adjusted according to the circumstances of default: Adam and Eve's immortality is vested in the potential of morontiality and in becoming ascenders, finalitors. Cain also received an individual Mystery Monitor, and he is like them. In this, I will always remember the great satisfaction, of Cano and of the father of Andon & Fonta, who are remembered only according to our planetary history but not as individual spirits.

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Women are built differently, according to the revelators. They are more susceptible to shortsightedness than men. It seems the particular revelator of the following suggests that women are, in that regard, genetically hardwired to behave in such a way.


Thanks for the reference brooklyn. I was looking for that and couldn't find it. I had the wrong keywords.

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Thanks for that quote, had missed it. But, how was Adam impatient do you think, other than following his love into default, if that's even an impatient act?


I think you answered that question with the reference you provided. Adam was desperate for relief and shared his thoughts with Eve. Of course her mate's angst would influence her decision.


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Appreciate the replies everyone. Have you wondered why and how their meetings became secret?

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75:4.5 (842.7) Eve had told Cano of this oft-repeated warning on the fateful occasion of their secret meeting, but Cano, not knowing the import or significance of such admonitions, had assured her that men and women with good motives and true intentions could do no evil; that she should surely not die but rather live anew in the person of their offspring, who would grow up to bless and stabilize the world.

75:3.7 (841.7) For more than five years these plans were secretly matured. At last they had developed to the point where Eve consented to have a secret conference with Cano...

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It makes me wonder more about the authenticity of assurances, at least interpersonal assurances, assurances that are not borne of faith, not gained through wisdom/worship.

Why should Eve has trusted Cano, knowing what she knows ahh, from her own perspective!!! We all know times such as this in our own lives, of course, when each of us did things "when we/you should have known better". I think we can paint ourselves into her situation, but by doing so we would only be examining the conducts of a hypothetical person, not Eve herself; perhaps we would only be examining ourselves, our personal temptations perhaps. Well but I do not know if I could have done anything differently, so go fish!

The absolute foundations of a God-created universe are what gives man the right to choose in the first place. In the progress throughout the Age of the Supreme Being, we see that in the modern day, man has less overall experience with the abundance in the life of Nature, such as in the Garden of Eden, but much more opportunity to choose as human individuals. You even would have to understand the spiritual experience of Eve, her thoughts and emotions, in order to know why. Our thoughts and emotions, well they work almost completely differently, don't they, now that everything has boiled down into literary symbolism, and economic quantification/statistics. Our human efforts and choices are measured in the quality of life within ourselves, rather than this standard of numbers and logic and nomenclature. So you would have to remember how this entire planet was offered to her, how even our entire society was amended according to the way of her people, how her role as a planetary redeemer has never faded, in spite of her own folly.

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Stephen says above: "So you would have to remember how this entire planet was offered to her, how even our entire society was amended according to the way of her people, how her role as a planetary redeemer has never faded, in spite of her own folly."

Sigh.....The Material Sons and Daughters are not redeemers but, rather, additives. There is no original sin requiring redemption...a primitive concept. Indeed, the UB spends considerable time condemning and refuting the very idea of redemption as contrary to and even contradictory of universe reality and the very nature of God and God's relationship to all of creation, including and even especially to us mortals, the lowest of the children of time!!

It is most unfortunate that you have now tainted the story and person of Eve with this superstitious fiction and falsehood imposed upon our world by priests and liars and fearmongers who claim God to be angry and wrathful and tell us the Jesus was a blood sacrifice and atonement for Adam and Eve's so called original sin of humanity By such words, you not only contradict the UB but you perpetuate evil and false mythologies. Enough already!! Jesus was not our redeemer and neither were Adam or Eve...or any other. Social and planetary and personal redemption by some other person is simply untrue.

I wonder if those who loath conflict and confrontation think this issue to also be "trivial"? No other objections here to such falsehoods? Just let them go, eh? Evil and falsehood in the name of "peace". What a joke! Such a pity!! The perpetuation, even endorsement by silence, of such lies and dark accusations toward our Lord. Planetary redeemer?? Poppycock!

Please tell us Stephen which "entire society" was "amended" and how. Do you mean before her arrival? Or during? Or afterward? Who are "her people"? And what is "the way of her people "?

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1. The Vanite/Amadonian culture was totally amended/shaped for the reception of Adam and Eve, their culture. It was the people of Amadon who wholeheartedly offered this world and our society to Adam and Eve.

2. Eve is a redeemer of Urantia because she is a presiding member of the four and twenty counselors. The role of that advisory body is to salvage souls of questionable status, to explain to the universe administration how such souls may be redeemed over the ultimate course of progress in the grand universe, how each of they still has (how some of they may still have) survival potential.

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1. The Vanite/Amadonian culture was totally amended/shaped for the reception of Adam and Eve, their culture. It was the people of Amadon who wholeheartedly offered this world and our society to Adam and Eve.

2. Eve is a redeemer of Urantia because she is a presiding member of the four and twenty counselors. The role of that advisory body is to salvage souls of questionable status, to explain to the universe administration how such souls may be redeemed over the ultimate course of progress in the grand universe, how each of they still has (how some of they may still have) survival potential.


You said "our entire society" was amended!! Not true. Not true at all. One small mountain tribe was already altered by thousands of generations of Van and Amadon's roles as chieftains in the mountains in present day Turkey. And that society was not amended nor were the nearby Nodites "amended" for Adam and Eve's arrival. Sorry. Just ain't so. Your simplifications and exaggerations are not helpful....nor are they true.

Please provide text quotes!! It is our purpose here to study the UB. Do you know what a redeemer is? Or what redemption is? Do you know the teachings of the UB related to redemption and atonement? Eve never was a redeemer and is not now a redeemer...and Urantia has no redeemer nor any need for a redeemer. Poppycock! More of your beliefs and proclamations which defy and contradict the UB.

Your claim about the purpose of the Counsel of Twenty Four is also inaccurate. They do not "salvage souls of questionable status"...another false claim and misrepresentation. Eve has no such role in representing or defending questionable souls. You are just making stuff up as you go along to suit your own fantasies Stephen...STILL!!!

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4. The Four and Twenty Counselors

45:4.1 (513.4) At the center of the seven angelic residential circles on Jerusem is located the headquarters of the Urantia advisory council, the four and twenty counselors. John the Revelator called them the four and twenty elders: “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats, and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment.” The throne in the center of this group is the judgment seat of the presiding archangel, the throne of the resurrection roll call of mercy and justice for all Satania. This judgment seat has always been on Jerusem, but the twenty-four surrounding seats were placed in position no more than nineteen hundred years ago, soon after Christ Michael was elevated to the full sovereignty of Nebadon. These four and twenty counselors are his personal agents on Jerusem, and they have authority to represent the Master Son in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system. They are the designated agents for executing the special requests of Gabriel and the unusual mandates of Michael.

45:4.2 (513.5) These twenty-four counselors have been recruited from the eight Urantia races, and the last of this group were assembled at the time of the resurrection roll call of Michael, nineteen hundred years ago.....

2. The Board of Planetary Supervisors

114:2.1 (1251.4) Since the times of Michael’s bestowal on your world the general management of Urantia has been intrusted to a special group on Jerusem of twenty-four onetime Urantians. Qualification for membership on this commission is unknown to us, but we have observed that those who have been thus commissioned have all been contributors to the enlarging sovereignty of the Supreme in the system of Satania. By nature they were all real leaders when they functioned on Urantia, and (excepting Machiventa Melchizedek) these qualities of leadership have been further augmented by mansion world experience and supplemented by the training of Jerusem citizenship. Members are nominated to the twenty-four by the cabinet of Lanaforge, seconded by the Most Highs of Edentia, approved by the Assigned Sentinel of Jerusem, and appointed by Gabriel of Salvington in accordance with the mandate of Michael. The temporary appointees function just as fully as do the permanent members of this commission of special supervisors.

114:2.2 (1251.5) This board of planetary directors is especially concerned with the supervision of those activities on this world which result from the fact that Michael here experienced his terminal bestowal. They are kept in close and immediate touch with Michael by the liaison activities of a certain Brilliant Evening Star, the identical being who attended upon Jesus throughout the mortal bestowal.

114:2.4 (1252.2) The members of this same commission of former Urantians also act as advisory supervisors of the thirty-six other rebellion-isolated worlds of the system; they perform a very valuable service in keeping Lanaforge, the System Sovereign, in close and sympathetic touch with the affairs of these planets, which still remain more or less under the overcontrol of the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek. These twenty-four counselors make frequent trips as individuals to each of the quarantined planets, especially to Urantia.

114:2.5 (1252.3) Each of the other isolated worlds is advised by similar and varying sized commissions of its onetime inhabitants, but these other commissions are subordinate to the Urantian group of twenty-four. While the members of the latter commission are thus actively interested in every phase of human progress on each quarantined world in Satania, they are especially and particularly concerned with the welfare and advancement of the mortal races of Urantia, for they immediately and directly supervise the affairs of none of the planets except Urantia, and even here their authority is not complete excepting in certain domains concerned with mortal survival.


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And that society was not amended nor were the nearby Nodites "amended" for Adam and Eve's arrival. Sorry. Just ain't so.


Okay we definetly disagree, or else you are just intentionally obfusticating thie conversation within this thread :cry: .

Well, it was the original Van who was the one who led our society towards the compatibility/amenability of our people (Urantian People) with Eve's people, the Violet People.
73:2.3 From their highland headquarters and from sixty-one far-scattered settlements, Van and Amadon recruited a corps of over three thousand willing and enthusiastic workers who, in solemn assembly, dedicated themselves to this mission of preparing for the promised - at least expected - Son.

The people who made that vow, followed Van and amended their and their descendents' ways in order to receive the Material Son and Daughter on Urantia.

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And that society was not amended nor were the nearby Nodites "amended" for Adam and Eve's arrival. Sorry. Just ain't so.


Okay we definetly disagree, or else you are just intentionally obfusticating thie conversation within this thread.

Well, it was the original Van who was the one who led our society towards the compatibility/amenability of our people (Urantian People) with Eve's people, the Violet People.


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What do you mean by "our society" Stephen? There was no and still is not any singular or central or preeminent society. The planet was widely populated with many cultures and societies. Still is.... Perhaps they tweeted a bulletin or made an announcement on the world wide web??? Carrier pigeons maybe?? Your claim is ridiculous.

And amended how? Did they become vegetarians? Nope. Cultured? Nope. Peaceful? Doubt it. Did they dress better? Stop belching and farting? Bathe more often? Become humorous and musical? Nope. Still to come. Amended??????

What are you talking about????? :roll:

Talk about obfuscation!! Just making stuff up which contradict the UB to suit your own fantasies is the obfuscation here Stephen.

The discussion is about Eve's impatience. It's source and result.


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