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Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 pm +0000
Agon D. Onter wrote:I see, above, that Bradly says he was NOT saying that. But I'd like to offer a different perspective. When I read that post of Bradly's I agreed with him that a suckling child is experiencing the very early glimmers of faith. The reason I say this is a baby has complete trust that her needs will be met by her loving parent. When she cries or roots for the breast, nourishment is soon forthcoming. The baby has, as Bradly put it, a "connection" with the parent and this connection is founded on trust and belief (reassurance) that the parent loves and cares for the needs of the child. To me, that is a very early, undeveloped form of faith. Faith and connection to the earthly parent, to be sure. But to a baby, their earthly caregivers are God, in a way. Their mind is too undeveloped to conceive of anything outside that physical and emotional connection.
katroofjebus wrote:The sixth adjutant initially experienced in human mind as fear.
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:08 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:Are you saying that it is universal for children to experience fear, that it could be an indication of the greater expansion of mind capacity for a person, but what do you actually teach about this adjustment from fear into an embrace of the rational possibilities that man is capable of doing?
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:09 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:katroofjebus wrote:Are you saying that it is universal for children to experience fear, that it could be an indication of the greater expansion of mind capacity for a person, but what do you actually teach about this adjustment from fear into an embrace of the rational possibilities that man is capable of doing?
All humans of all ages experience fear, and also anxiety. What matters is how a person reacts to fear. A mature person can examine and analyze its own fears. A child may not have developed the skills to do that and therefore relies on more mature people for assistance in developing courage to face them and the wisdom to see them from a new perspective. Wisdom grows. We may be born connected to the spirit of wisdom, but it needs time to evolve in function.
It is written that the hand that rocks the cradle fraternizes with destiny. The Revelation is referring to mothers with that adage, but fathers contribute mightily as well. The key to adjusting from fear to trust is love. The child learns to fear less and trust more initially from its tutors, hopefully both of its loving parents. After the birth of the soul, the child has additional parents, divine parents to learn from and find assurance in. The goal of parenting a child with a soul is actually more of a challenge to the earth parents because the tutoring demands that the adults have a mature relationship with their own souls in order to set an example by producing the spiritual fruit of that relationship.
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:52 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:Said Jesus:
(1950.3) 180:5.8 But the highest realization and the truest interpretation of the golden rule consists in the consciousness of the spirit of the truth of the enduring and living reality of such a divine declaration. The true cosmic meaning of this rule of universal relationship is revealed only in its spiritual realization, in the interpretation of the law of conduct by the spirit of the Son to the spirit of the Father that indwells the soul of mortal man. And when such spirit-led mortals realize the true meaning of this golden rule, they are filled to overflowing with the assurance of citizenship in a friendly universe, and their ideals of spirit reality are satisfied only when they love their fellows as Jesus loved us all, and that is the reality of the realization of the love of God.
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supermath wrote:You have not completely and accurately interpreted the quote.
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:24 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:supermath wrote:You have not completely and accurately interpreted the quote.
Do you like this one better? Remember that the mortal mind includes the soul.
(1176.2) 107:0.2 The Adjusters are the actuality of the Father's love incarnate in the souls of men; they are the veritable promise of man's eternal career imprisoned within the mortal mind; they are the essence of man's perfected finaliter personality, which he can foretaste in time as he progressively masters the divine technique of achieving the living of the Father's will, step by step, through the ascension of universe upon universe until he actually attains the divine presence of his Paradise Father.
31:3.7 (348.4) 3. The glorified mortals of the Paradise Corps of Finality are ascendant beings in possession of experiential knowledge of every step of the actuality and philosophy of the fullest possible life of intelligent existence, while during the ages of this ascent from the lowest material worlds to the spiritual heights of Paradise, these surviving creatures have been trained to the limits of their capacity respecting every detail of every divine principle of the just and efficient, as well as merciful and patient, administration of all the universal creation of time and space.
136:0.1 (1509.1) [...] Though Jesus spoke of John as the greatest of the prophets of the old order, he also said that the least of those who saw the great light of the new way and entered thereby into the kingdom of heaven was indeed greater than John.
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:35 am +0000
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:10 am +0000
fanofVan wrote:Perhaps you two would be polite enough to have a private conversation elsewhere....or start a new topic????
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:38 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:fanofVan wrote:Perhaps you two would be polite enough to have a private conversation elsewhere....or start a new topic????
The question is whether or not the Thought Adjuster indwells the soul. The references provided support that concept. The Adjusters are incarnate in the souls of men. The Adjusters are fragments of God, and God is Love. The Father's Love incarnates within the soul and the soul is within the mortal mind.
Soul indwelling is essential to understanding the concept of duality within the mortal mind, the strain caused by two masters, the ego and the Spirit. It is this very struggle that gives birth to evolutionary religion and religious experience, the topic at hand.
So NO I will not make this a private conversation, you will NOT silence me, trivialize me or demean me. I would appreciate it if you would immediately end your constant rude and offensive attacks directed at me and others throughout this forum. We're all very, very tired of it and it serves no spiritual purpose.
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:47 am +0000
fanofVan wrote: I thought I was rather polite.
fanofVan wrote:regarding the golden rule, what's its source, social origin, and effects on early social progress among primitive people?