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The short answer to this question is yes. I would wager countries like Saudi Arabia ban it for religious reasons. Believers of the book in these countries would also be persecuted for competing with the Qur'an and Islam.

But is the book banned in secular autocracies like Russia and China? Christianity is heavily regulated (building churches, distributing Bibles etc.) in secular autocracies because their membership within an organized religion could sometimes be at odds with their loyalty to the state. But is the Urantia Book looked at with equal suspicion? I think not simply because belief in the book does not require anyone to be a member of any organized group. On top of the the Urantia Book is simply not well known enough for such a spotlight of attention.

On a similar note, is the Urantia Book frowned upon in many cultures? There is the issue of lack of interest which many of us here have covered extensively, but could the book get you in trouble not with the state, but with your community making you an outcast? I know some Christians for example might invoke Satan if you bring up the book.

I ask this question because I live in Indonesia which is an interesting case. Here the state law says that you are free to practice your religion as you choose provided you believe in just one God. It stems from our national ideology called Pancasilla. Atheism is not allowed. While nobody monitors my church attendance and atheists can confide their lack of belief to people they trust, you are not allowed to express lack of belief to government officials or you will be put in jail.

Anyway, belief in the Urantia Book means you believe in God so I wouldn't get in trouble with the state for that. But religious people in my community could frown at me for holding a heretical document. I like to sometimes carry my UB to public places (I know, a big bulky book is not easy to carry everywhere) like cafes in the hopes of getting people to ask me questions about the book. My family has warned me that could get me negative attention.

So besides countries governed by Sharia and North Korea, is there anywhere else the Urantia Book best be kept hidden and not spoken of?


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i doubt it's banned in saudi arabia since it's legal to own and read the bible there but distributing it, proseletyzing or converting from islam is a big no-no. the papers are freely available on the internet now and the saudi government controls the gateways to the internet but it sounds like pornography and shia stuff is the main things they censor from the outside and internal activist blogs from the inside.


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Even when it is acceptible to speak about the Urantia Papers publicly, you should consider the wisdom thereof. A declaration of faith by the human individual, is a powerful document that others can measure your discipline by, even Freudian analysis. Such information is like reconnaissance in the Art of War. Even the things you publish which are true, can be used distorted into tools of psychological warfare by cartoonists and mendicants.

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Your worst enemy could be your best friend, and your best friend your worst enemy." - Whom the Cap Fit
Does the State support your goal to spread the teachings of the Urantia Book to all ears capable of hearing? I believe we are past the era of data-collection via the internet, and entered into an era where the information algorithm actually "ranks" philosophy, social movements, and religion communities based on the benefits (or potential risks of loyalty) to the State.

But what is more is the admonitions against the dangers of technology found in the Urantia Papers. Whereas the fourth industrial estate counts and rates and categorises the world religions, the Urantia Book warns how governors such as Herod, maybe would have used the modern technology to gather the views of his citizens-subjects. If we put more 360 cameras on the corner of the city-block, to increase the scrutiny and analysis of personal communications, it would go against civil progress, the zealous willingness to pay taxes and do good by the individual standard of the State. So, how can we as Urantia Book Readers love to obey the laws of the land.

The question "banned" but should include "subvercion". And you are dealing in an environment where the truth may be incorporated but then used against you, whereas inconsistencies between the view you espouse and the actuality of the text are analysed, and there is no way essentially to gauge whether your words have been heeded, taken to heart by the other human individual whom with you communicate.

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The one thing that the information algorithms, the writers thereof, seem to understand and codify into the framework of an information-publication hierarchy, is how the Urantia Book teaches family relationships as essential scaffolding prerelationships, analogically, is similar to the way the human individual identifies Deity. My own father was the example of discipline and love that I base my own concept of the Universal Father, and now it is for I to use the concepts of the Urantia Papers to become a Universal Father, a fragment of God the Universal Father.

This is one thing well understood: that a stable nuclear family, a household with a hearth environment where to rear children, is like in itself a Church congregation. A Family Religion forms natural traditions based on love and these kinds of family relationships, and even are the mother and fathers of households like the male-priest and female-priest of the family.
72:3.4 "the home as the basic institution of their civilization"
81:6.23 "the home will ever be the basic institution"
82:0.3 "The family as an educational institution must be maintained."
83:0.1 "the union of one man and one woman to establish a home of the highest social order."
83:8.1 "Marriage which culminates in the home is indeed man's most exalted institution"
84:0.1 "And home building should be the center and essence of all educational effort."
89:3.6 "the home, society's veritable foundation and the basic institution of human progress."


I think rather than actually promote the teachings of the Urantia Book, we should try to defend the rights of households and prove that our households only do better to obey the laws after incorporating the philosophy of the Urantia Papers into the means of the household. In the Urantia Book, households are the basic institutions, rather than organised religious communities, which represent the basic freedoms and civil liberties of the human individual in a world-state, or a world-federal order.

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Here in Kenya, a few things would not bode well with the long-established beliefs taught in the bible but contradicted (and well-so) by the Urantia Book.
-Jesus of Nazareth is not a part of the Trinity
-Jesus was born like any other child (no miracle)
-There are other worlds out there (this highly contradicts the Genesis account of creation which fails to mention other worlds)
...and many more. Such are enough to make the church ban and burn the book.


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well perhaps "the church" there would like to ban and burn the koran and the book of mormon for the three reasons you listed but they've not and they can't


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well perhaps "the church" there would like to ban and burn the koran and the book of mormon for the three reasons you listed but they've not and they can't


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The Constitution of Kenya provides for the freedom of religion in public and private life, the separation of church and state, and the equal treatment of all religions under the law. The Constitution prohibits any discrimination on the basis of religion and, most directly in its Preamble, outlines a vision for a unified nation of diverse religious practices.


Perhaps so Makalu, but- they CAN.


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In societies and among nations that consider banning or regulating what we read or think or believe it Seems to me there is little difference between religions and governments. What is curious is why it appears that the latter would be savored over the former.
At one time people craved and even demanded liberty at any cost.
Who would burn their book if an authority demanded they do so? Or think what they are told to think by the PC police?
It’s those authorities that need to be banned.


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Actually, the government would not be bothered, and neither would be the big churches. It is the small establishments that keep cropping up on a daily basis- they discourage education, seeking medical care and some even tell their adherents what to eat and/or wear. Very small and insignificant buildings- but with massive followings. Some time back they burned the movie 'Da Vinci Code', and some destroyed windows from colonial churches... after claiming that the mosaics within were demonic.
The same who are now discouraging others from registering with the Kenyan version of Social Security Number, Huduma Number.

So yeah, burning of the book is a real reality.


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I know of two readers who had to be "extracted" from a middle eastern country under Taliban control after getting UB's smuggled in about 5 years ago. About the time Malala was "illegally" shot on a public bus. They are now exiled immigrants here in the States.

Laws don't prevent such outcomes as wiffinzebe discusses here. No matter what a law book might say, there are places that are very dangerous to be different than the majority. Primitive? Yes. Real? Yes indeed.

Makes one consider the meaning of being a martyr....and the associated risks too.

It's easy here in the States to be blind and naïve to the realities that still rule many other parts of our world.

Keep your head down wiffinzebe!!!!

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Amazing topic! Thanks to all who have taken part.
Here is the American Deep South, while nothing is banned, the prudent often hold their tongues in order to live peaceably with their fellows. Espousing extremist Christian positions is in vogue in many of the locals I frequent, and the presentation of facts, or hints of revelation, are rarely met with pleasantries. Actions, however, speak much louder than words… I am often accosted by the overtly religious who commend me on my “Christian” attitude. I smile and keep my thoughts to myself.


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Hey Al!! We are Jesusonians!! We do belong to this sect of Christianity. The Paulinians can become quite uncomfortable around Jesusonians...but I've not been stoned yet! Hahahaha. It is not so difficult I have found to out-Christian the fundamentalist hard liners...just lean on Jesus and his teachings and contrast them to Paul's primitivisms and give them something to think about. Christians should follow Christ...not Paul...or the local or TV preacher when they conflict and contradict Jesus. It's amazing to me how little of the Bible and the actual words and teachings of Jesus most radical fundamentalists even know.

Pick a lane brothers and sisters! Easier for us protestants of course...no Pope to contend with, defining the "lane" for everyone.

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well burning a copy of a stupid movie is a long way from banning a work period and that happened in italy so maybe it would help to keep your fears in proper perspective


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Makalu wrote:
well burning a copy of a stupid movie is a long way from banning a work period and that happened in italy so maybe it would help to keep your fears in proper perspective


I believe he is speaking of real acts well known in Kenya, his homeland, that happened in Kenya. Why be so disagreeable about something you do not know anything about?

Not long ago, a hater here in the USA burned 3 Christian churches to the ground because the congregation was primarily black. And a boy named Dylan murdered black Christians in their own church....because they were black. And 4 years ago, locally, a Jew hater shot 6 Christians, murdering 3 who were entering a Jewish Community Center because he mistakenly thought they were Jews and later defended himself by saying they were obviously Jew-lovers who also deserved to be murdered.

What's up dude? Hate and fear are alive and well right here in good ole America too. And around the world. Laws do not change people or attitudes or behaviors. How many free blacks were hung in America the 100 years after their legal emancipation? Get real!


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laws or controlled regulations are required to ban the papers in any country which is what the discussion was about and his original proposition and i feel no need to justify my position. and you have no idea what i know or dont know about kenya...where you can still watch the stupid movie.


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