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Hello, it's my second topic.

I read a lot about spirituality, end of the times, prophecies, esoteric domain.
Throught my readings, I red that the reincarnation would be effective.

A legend tells that before being incarnated celestial entities offer us life choices as human beings. For example to be easy in a bourgeois family but with health concerns. Being a worker with a medium intelligence, born in a Catholic family then called at a time of his life and seeking plots of truth about our origins, the universe, ...

That's why we'd have what's called cupid's bow to our lips. an angel of a certain status in touching us in this place would seal us which causes an amnesia of our previous existences.

Do you believe this concept is true ?

And if so, why did not Christ speak about it explicitly in his teaching?

I know that there are many types of people on Urantia (Earth):

abductees, descenders, fallen angels, loyals angels, Melchizédek, people who are serving their sentences on Urantia for earlier lives characterized by sin

example of abductees : Enoch, Elie, future Christians during the rapture, the two witnesses (coming up few years)
example of descenders : the two angels who warned Lot and his family

Thanks for your answers !

Note : do you know Internet sites or books that have been inspired by Melchizedeks or loyal angels.
I know the site "MEZZAVERDE" and others but it is not easy to find reliable sources.

For example, some sites talk about the ASHTAR commando, the galactic federation, ...
Are these sites where knowledge is false?


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Truthseeker,
I saw in the other thread that you started reading the Urantia Book in 2017. Have you gotten to paper 46 yet? The Urantia Book teaches that there is only one type of creature that experiences reincarnation. Humans do not reincarnate.

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46:7.4 (528.2) Although spornagia neither possess nor evolve survival souls, though they do not have personality, nevertheless, they do evolve an individuality which can experience reincarnation. When, with the passing of time, the physical bodies of these unique creatures deteriorate from usage and age, their creators, in collaboration with the Life Carriers, fabricate new bodies in which the old spornagia re-establish their residences.

46:7.5 (528.3) Spornagia are the only creatures in all the universe of Nebadon who experience this or any other sort of reincarnation. They are only reactive to the first five of the adjutant mind-spirits; they are not responsive to the spirits of worship and wisdom. But the five-adjutant mind equivalates to a totality or sixth reality level, and it is this factor which persists as an experiential identity.


As to your statements below, there is no support for them in the Urantia Book. You must be getting these ideas from some other source.

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I know that there are many types of people on Urantia (Earth):

abductees, descenders, fallen angels, loyals angels, Melchizédek, people who are serving their sentences on Urantia for earlier lives characterized by sin

example of abductees : Enoch, Elie, future Christians during the rapture, the two witnesses (coming up few years)
example of descenders : the two angels who warned Lot and his family


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I suggest you hit the "Search" button at the upper right of any page here and enter - reincarnation - for 28 pages and 10 years of discussion here at TruthBook. There is no pre-existence or reincarnation as Agon says. I see you have a wide scope of prior readings and inquiry. I did too as do many long time UB readers. Lots to discover in the UB...some confirmations and some things which conflict with our preconceptions.

TruthBook discussions and poster comments (not UB quotes) about reincarnation - 28 pages, newest first and oldest last (page 28), 413 poster comments:

search.php?keywords=reincarnation&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

A specific topic on TB:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5082&start=0

A specific topic: Reincarnation and Other Beliefs -

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3137

Also, you may enjoy the Frequently Asked Questions resource compiled by TruthBook staff which may include many of the questions you have related to specific beliefs and teachings from other sources and how those relate to the Urantia Book teachings:

https://truthbook.com/urantia-book-faq/ ... -say-about

I spent several years deeply engaged in religious and philosophy studies of many forms and from many sources. Once I began to read and then study the Uranita Papers, I spent more and more of time discovering the detailed, comprehensive, exhaustive, unified, and holistic presentation of universe realities there. I found this book so much more satisfying, rational, believable, and superior in content, writing style, flow, redundancy, integration, integrity, and in its perspective of life - its origin, purpose, and destiny. It seemed to confirm the best of all my prior studies and beliefs and so gently and logically corrected my misconceptions and to so eloquently fill the voids and gaps, so often bringing me joyful Ah-Ha! moments and total paradigm shifts that realigned my entire philosophy for living and inspired my personal religious experience to BE and to BECOME. It infused me with confidence in God's friendly universe and my faith child standing as a beloved member of he universe family - a wonderful reiteration of the Jesusonian Gospel - the good news of Jesus from 2000 years ago brilliantly restated with so much detail and verification.

Let me suggest that you consider a full reading of the UB without attempting to verify or disprove any particular teachings or beliefs first. Topical studies are an important method of learning from the teachings, but a straight through reading or two will definitely help deliver the overall majesty and deliver a tapestry and symphony of truth and fact that is critical to future topical studies. Just some unasked for advice! This takes discipline, and work, and time, and critical analysis/thinking, and prayerful consideration and discernment, and the suspension of disbelief and cynical prejudice, and real curiousity, and the real pursuit of knowledge and understanding....all tools and attributes of the truthseeker!

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Truthseeker888...

Reincarnation is not supported by the teachings of The Urantia Book, nor the teachings of Jesus.

Likewise, the idea that we mortals have had some prior consciousness to our birth here on earth is not a subject that is supported in the book.

There is really not much point in discussing theories and concepts that are not supported in The Urantia Book. Reincarnation is an old subject and in my opinion, thoroughly wrung out. You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but hoping to turn the tide to your opinion is unlikely here on this forum.

If you are sincerely interested in finding out more about what The Urantia Book teaches or does not teach about these things, please do that research on your own before you bring the topics here. FanofVan has given you some good guidelines.


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A brief visit to the Mezza Verde site reveals it as a branch of deceivers who believe they are in personal contact with gods and celestials. Such a twisted fantasy of self importance and self delusion defies and contradicts the URANTIA Book. They believe themselves to be the mouthpieces of the gods and seek out anyone as audience who may be weak minded enough to join and follow them.

Not serious students of the UB. Merely pretentious and wanna-be priests. You should not be deceived nor submit your personal sovereignty to such charlatans. Best wishes.


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Hello I am familiar with the date 19 May 1780 because the Preacher Jemima Wilkinson actually quoted the same Bible Verse to her congregation in America on this date.

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Thank you for your comment SEIA_Kelly.

In soul and conscience perhaps you will choose to go further and not to stick to the urantia booklets as the only truth revealed the most current to date. Courage searcher of truth!

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"Truthseeker",

I don't think anyone here believes the Urantia Book to be "the only truth revealed". In fact, the Urantia Book itself describes the types of revelation, other than the book itself.

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101:4.3 (1109.4) Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.


And as to to the Urantia Book:

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5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia. (1007.4) 92:4.4


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To Truthseeker888 who writes:

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In soul and conscience perhaps you will choose to go further and not to stick to the urantia booklets as the only truth revealed the most current to date. Courage searcher of truth!


We are all truthseekers here. And while it is true that there are many sources of truth on this planet, on THIS Forum, the discussion is limited to the teachings of The Urantia Book. If you are here to introduce/discuss other truths contained elsewhere, you are expected to do so in the context of The Urantia Book, and not as a repudiation of its teachings, nor as a means of promoting your own "personal belief system."

Please review the guidelines for posting here:

https://truthbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3582 wherein we read:

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We welcome individuals of all faiths to participate on this board and to share their beliefs; however; this discussion board is about The Urantia Book. If - for example - you feel inspired by religion/philosophy/idea "X", it would be advisable that you discuss "X" as it relates to The Urantia Book. As a Urantia Book discussion board it is the place to ask questions, but not the place for promoting or proselytizing one's own personal belief system.


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Sorry but I'm a truthseeker.

Any religions, any religious group, anything that appeals to narrow dogmas represents a confinement.

All denominations ending in -isme (catholiscism - islamism- hindouism - bouddhism - ... represent a control over individuals to prevent them from being free.

My goal is to open eyes of all humans on this earth and more particularly those who have had access to the most complete revelation to date - the Urantia Papers.

I thank the celestial entities and those who have hierarchical status because they have done us the honor to reveal to us the truth about our origins and our destiny.

On the other hand, I am insulting myself against the humans who close any discussions on the pretext that what I am trying to pass is not part of the LU.

By doing so, you put yourself in a censor and you do not allow a democratic exchange with other conceptions.

Try to relax your ROI (regulation forum order).


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Truthseeker888 wrote:

My goal is to open eyes of all humans on this earth and more particularly those who have had access to the most complete revelation to date - the Urantia Papers.



Thanks, but we are reading the studying the Urantia Book here so our eyes are plenty open. If you have something to contribute to the studies of the book we are all gathered here to discuss, please do so, using qotes from the Urantia Book and your thoughts about them.


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But even though you use the same date to proof that in this Revelation has already transpired upon Urantia, just as she does, I believe that the conclusions you are drawing and the implications that she gave are very different. If you are climbing into this discussion to say that well you believe there is this instigation of civil violence, that pits the Muslims against the Jews, the sowing of dischord. Have you failed to consider that instead, the Beaurocratic District of Palestine has enough power to know not to sow dischord of such nature, but instead it has turned such heinous ploys against the caucasian people, the originators of such theory, before it could happen in the way you believe it has.

What you have failed to acknowledge is this fact which is easily verified in the Urantia Papers that there is no ruler such as Lucifer in the district of Satania, however administration has been reinstated to Lanaforge and a slightly modified council of governance.

What a horried idea, that loyalty could be rendered to aught but the Universal Father.

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Sorry but I'm a truthseeker.

Any religions, any religious group, anything that appeals to narrow dogmas represents a confinement.

All denominations ending in -isme (catholiscism - islamism- hindouism - bouddhism - ... represent a control over individuals to prevent them from being free.

My goal is to open eyes of all humans on this earth and more particularly those who have had access to the most complete revelation to date - the Urantia Papers.

I thank the celestial entities and those who have hierarchical status because they have done us the honor to reveal to us the truth about our origins and our destiny.

On the other hand, I am insulting myself against the humans who close any discussions on the pretext that what I am trying to pass is not part of the LU.

By doing so, you put yourself in a censor and you do not allow a democratic exchange with other conceptions.

Try to relax your ROI (regulation forum order).


Sorry, but the rules of posting have been developed over years of experience, and will not be modified for one individual who finds them difficult. The fact is that the management of this Forum DOES moderate, and at times, does censor posts or counsel those who do not adhere to the rules of posting; nevertheless, there is great latitude in the rules, if you will bother to read them.

Again, this is a forum that discusses The Urantia Book. If you have some topic/theory/belief that relates to The Urantia Book, or that you can tie to it in some way, that topic will be entertained. However, you will not be permitted to repudiate, or otherwise malign the book or its teachings, which is what I noted in my previous note to you. I am not sure that that is what you have in mind, but I am just giving you fair warning that it won't be permitted.

Your role is not as an appointed enlightener who will open all of our eyes to your brand of truth. That is not how this works, so please reconsider that idea. Everyone has the capacity for the comprehension of truth - all it takes is a sincere desire, and The Urantia Book is probably the greatest repository of truth that many of us have ever known. I think you'll find that most people here consider themselves truthseekers the same as you. While you may have some grand comprehensions about truth, beauty, goodness, or any of the other sterling qualities that make life worth living, here in this Forum you are one of many of your spiritual peers who are here to discuss those comprehensions as they relate to The Urantia Book - the commonality that we all share.

This is not a democratic forum. It is a free service provided by TruthBook to those who agree to its guidelines. It is not a free-for-all. You have been welcomed as a guest/member. There are rules that must be adhered to, or chaos ensues. Now you come asking me to "relax." I am asking you to simply adhere to the guidelines here. If you find these guidelines as a "confinement," then you are free to join any number of other groups that are Urantia Book-related and whose rules may be more to your liking.

Above all, members are asked to conduct themselves in Jesusonian fashion, i.e, with a sincere spirit of brotherhood and with the Golden Rule as the standard. Truthseeker888, you are as welcomed here and as valued as any other member. I hope that we can reach a friendly agreement going forward without further dispute on the simple guidelines of posting.

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