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I realize that there is much more to life plasm than just DNA, but I was wondering about the connection between the two.

Is DNA manipulation (a technological shortcut) a legitimate means of improving the race or is it part of Lucifer's vision?


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Interesting question pethuel. I suppose the answer will depend on who you ask. Some on this planet seem to think that mankind should never tamper with genetic material. Don't the revelators clearly indicate that mankind will not only be allowed such possibilities but that they may be quite necessary to advance in some ways?

I think I'd interpret your characterization of DNA manipulation as a "shortcut" as meaning that we don't currently really understand the mechanics and processes involved in either the translation of DNA into various proteins which then work together in certain ways to produce physical things like arms and legs, nor the processes by which DNA is modified by any other means than pure chance. We don't even begin the understand any possible "design" underlying those facilities and have no leads on how DNA may lay the foundation for mental or spiritual capabilities.

Certainly there are some very basic things biologists or geneticists know so that curing certain diseases is now a possibility. But large scale changes to a genome is currently like playing with fire.


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"Don't the revelators clearly indicate that mankind will not only be allowed such possibilities but that they may be quite necessary to advance in some ways?" From what I've read it seems to indicate that, although I can't give you chapter and verse. It's sort of like GMO, the same people protesting GMO food think their GMO pot is the best thing since sliced bread!

But I shudder to think of who would control such activity--- would it be military purposed?

The current crop of visible world leaders don't inspire much confidence.


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pethuel wrote:
"Don't the revelators clearly indicate that mankind will not only be allowed such possibilities but that they may be quite necessary to advance in some ways?" From what I've read it seems to indicate that, although I can't give you chapter and verse. It's sort of like GMO, the same people protesting GMO food think their GMO pot is the best thing since sliced bread!

But I shudder to think of who would control such activity--- would it be military purposed?

The current crop of visible world leaders don't inspire much confidence.


Being curious about the intelligence it takes to engineer the initial life plasma consider that the designers knew at the time that life was first bedtowed on their first single cell here on Urantia these beings knew what would develop on the evolutionary stage over many millions of years. They did not predict the dinosaurs or the many variations of prokaryotes or ukaryotes that would evolve from this single cell, they knew what would develop.
This is science, biology on a level that humans cannot even imagine.
Do you trust human geneticists? It’s a very risky gamble.


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considering how the Life Carriers expressed that their biggest disappointment with the experiment here was the devolution of bacteria and the failure of the adamic plan for genetic improvements that has resulted in us having to fight so many diseases, it seems to me that they would support the intelligent manipulation of DNA to cure diseases.


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considering how the Life Carriers expressed that their biggest disappointment with the experiment here was the devolution of bacteria and the failure of the adamic plan for genetic improvements that has resulted in us having to fight so many diseases, it seems to me that they would support the intelligent manipulation of DNA to cure diseases.


Exactly, which is what prompted my question. Big Pharma is scary right now, and Bill and Melinda are attacked regularly in the alt news world for their "sinister" activities. The only news we get is what we are fed, so it is difficult to know what is going on when we are so flooded with both information and disinformation. If there is intelligent manipulation of DNA going on, and I am sure there are key researchers out there somewhere sincerely seeking the right answers, then we must trust that correctly motivated scientists will be able to preserve and protect their discoveries from nefarious scoundrels, perhaps aided by those who watch over Urantia. When I see people like Nigel sharing his posts and videos that collaborate new scientific discoveries with facts and statements from TUB theni it stands to believe there are likeminded scientists in every field seeking to do the same. But it appears that there is a darker side to the current picture and the new world order does not seem to adhere to godly principles, and if they are Luciferian they could be trying to take a shortcut to Luciferian goals. Thanks for the enlightening answers!


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Exactly, which is what prompted my question. Big Pharma is scary right now, and Bill and Melinda are attacked regularly in the alt news world for their "sinister" activities. The only news we get is what we are fed, so it is difficult to know what is going on when we are so flooded with both information and disinformation. If there is intelligent manipulation of DNA going on, and I am sure there are key researchers out there somewhere sincerely seeking the right answers, then we must trust that correctly motivated scientists will be able to preserve and protect their discoveries from nefarious scoundrels, perhaps aided by those who watch over Urantia. When I see people like Nigel sharing his posts and videos that collaborate new scientific discoveries with facts and statements from TUB theni it stands to believe there are likeminded scientists in every field seeking to do the same. But it appears that there is a darker side to the current picture and the new world order does not seem to adhere to godly principles, and if they are Luciferian they could be trying to take a shortcut to Luciferian goals. Thanks for the enlightening answers!



well i had to google "bill and melinda" and not sure what sort of genetic engineering would achieve any Loserferian goals, but i'm not very informed on either subject. there's always been a lot of "buzz" about the ethics and misuse of it on humans and continues to be so...but i dont think the CRISPR applications to edit out diseases is a danger. those crazy transhumanists would probably abuse the technology if it was available but it's still years away as this article points out:

Those designer babies everyone is freaking out about – it’s not likely to happen

the "th's" also think they're gonna download the mind to a computer and live forever which will never happen lol


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Seems like every baby on the planet should have a right to a disease free set of genes to start life. And it's possible now with CRISPR technology. What is missing is discussion, debate, and more research. That Chinese doctor who removed the AIDS gene from the baby's embryo, if nothing else, he started the grand debate, an alarm has been rung. The research and trials will go on, it's too tempting not to. But it's critically important that rules be set in place BEFORE broad-based experimentation continues. Doubt not that some nations will experiment, therefore it will do no good to say; don't go there.


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If there is Gene Addition/Subtraction, then it is because the noticable traits of microcellular chemistry evidences that the particular DNA Set (Composing said Gene) is correlated as per its function. This is thanks to the "end sequence" whereby the encoding of proteins is finalised for each one. Thus, it is very convenient, given the fourth industrial estate's processing capacity, to identify all DNA sequence correlated with protein.

This is the realm of differentials where scientists operate. Every year, we say there is a smaller % of "junk" DNA within the Urantia Genome.

What is the great anxiety of genetic alterration? It is fact of how a gene is not something particular to a specie, but might be assimilable (assimilateable) unto ANY specie, whether plant-nature or animal-nature.

The quest of the fourth industrial estate to create "the new census", is hallmarked by "ancestry.com" & "23andme.com"'s rapid analysis of diasporetic information contained by the human's genome. You are talking about how "diseases are eliminated" from vulnerable groups, but what is neglected is the more obvious probability, that scientists are focused on the enhancement of already preexistantly dominant traits, a more complicated protocol.

It is not simple to "trust the scientist" as often enough we must question the funding of research-programs. I am not really going to say anything about the ethics here except that experts should truly be humbled by the information-sets brought on by such research, and strive to take a more fatherly or parental guidance approach towards those/that populations. In fact, there is some minor aspect of custody, in the sense of knowledge gained.

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Aren’t we told in the revelation that science is missing out big time by failing to study the healing process?
Isn’t messing with DNA kind of after the fact?


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Aren’t we told in the revelation that science is missing out big time by failing to study the healing process?
Isn’t messing with DNA kind of after the fact?


Hmm...good question. There's also this in Paper 74:

...heredity lies at the bottom of all character.... 76:2.6 (848.6)

Source: https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-76-second-garden


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Well it is important for Urantia Book Readers to declare the new responsibilities (via socialisation unto the scientific community) that come from knowledge that human beings is representative of all genome of every species, now that we understand genetic alterration intellectually. The implications is that there will be people who must register with the world-government. What are they registering, the variety and specimen of specie they experiment upon. The inevitability is there: just as the 100 spiritually-modified Andonites of the Dalamatia experiemented with every permutation of sexual-cosmic untion, you will see the "Garage-Laboratory experimentation", forays into science of this scary type of amalgamations. That startles indigenous life on Urantia.

This is why we must remember the story of evolution, why we must account and preserve every indigenous variety of species, whether wheats or tares basically, in order to preserve them as the basis for pre-experimentation. I do not believe that progress should occur before this is taken as the legitimate obligation of scientists. Just as in Noah of old, a catalogue of the "seed bank", the greatest possible selection of information, before amalgamation or combinence is even considered.

With all of our intellectual understanding, you might overlook the cosmic-spiritual possibility, that when you eat a "fresh" bean, a "living" sea creature, that you may be absorbing its own DNA sequences into your own genome. Maybe not. But the greater your own relaxation technique, the greater your spiritual receptivity capacity, they better your own Cholesterols are at directing your own genome's access to the proper enzymatic sequences.

Whereas the scientific community of the fourth industrial estate may be concerned only with the actual summation of every productive protein, from every animal and plant, Urantian Book Readers also bear in mind the potential for evolution, open to eventuational possibilities within the amagamation set and status for Urantian Genome in the age of Light & Life.

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