pethuel wrote:Excellent points from everyone, thanks! So just to help clear this up in my mind, establish a milestone, so to speak:
So what is the experience of salvation then? There is the emotional side which as we know can not be trusted, but there is also that sublime feeling of knowing something has happened, there has been an unexplainable and undeniable change in your innermost being.
What exactly happens there?
The UB teaches that for some of us it is not dramatic or sudden but is gradual and natural, like the growth of a plant....we simply grow in the Spirit by responding to the Spirit in a very symbiotic responsiveness. For others, there are great moments of conflict and conversion delivered in passion and drama. Can work either way.
We are taught that the TA creates a yearn within...a hunger and a thirst. The TA also reveals truth and provides truth assurance which pleases, nourishes, and satisfies the yearn, hunger, and thirst. Doing right for right's sake becomes addictive in a way...there is immediate gratification and fruit. Over time such religious experience yields more and more fruit including happiness. There is a great and innate desire for happiness. Materialisms fail to satisfy and bring happiness. But the Spirit can and does deliver happiness and contentment and joy and peace of mind and patience and kindness and all the wonderful bounty of the Spirit. The gifts of God to the children of time.
We are also given curiosity and an adventurous spirit of discovery and learning. Progress is itself satisfying. As is learning new things and new skills and the improvement of skills and understanding. All very positive and in our nature. We are built to quest and to learn!
There are positive emotions we are taught...which are reliable. The emotions of love and service.
107:0.5 (1176.5) It is the Adjuster who creates within man that unquenchable yearning and incessant longing to be like God, to attain Paradise, and there before the actual person of Deity to worship the infinite source of the divine gift. The Adjuster is the living presence which actually links the mortal son with his Paradise Father and draws him nearer and nearer to the Father. The Adjuster is our compensatory equalization of the enormous universe tension which is created by the distance of man’s removal from God and by the degree of his partiality in contrast with the universality of the eternal Father.
103:2.1 (1130.6) Religion is functional in the human mind and has been realized in experience prior to its appearance in human consciousness. A child has been in existence about nine months before it experiences birth. But the “birth” of religion is not sudden; it is rather a gradual emergence. Nevertheless, sooner or later there is a “birth day.” You do not enter the kingdom of heaven unless you have been “born again”—born of the Spirit. Many spiritual births are accompanied by much anguish of spirit and marked psychological perturbations, as many physical births are characterized by a “stormy labor” and other abnormalities of “delivery.” Other spiritual births are a natural and normal growth of the recognition of supreme values with an enhancement of spiritual experience, albeit no religious development occurs without conscious effort and positive and individual determinations. Religion is never a passive experience, a negative attitude. What is termed the “birth of religion” is not directly associated with so-called conversion experiences which usually characterize religious episodes occurring later in life as a result of mental conflict, emotional repression, and temperamental upheavals.
14:5.10 (159.6) Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony—these traits inherent in evolving human nature—were not put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you that death is only the beginning of an endless career of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal voyage of discovery.
14:5.11 (160.1) Curiosity—the spirit of investigation, the urge of discovery, the drive of exploration—is a part of the inborn and divine endowment of evolutionary space creatures. These natural impulses were not given you merely to be frustrated and repressed. True, these ambitious urges must frequently be restrained during your short life on earth, disappointment must be often experienced, but they are to be fully realized and gloriously gratified during the long ages to come.
44:6.5 (506.6) 3. The emotion designers. These enhancers and conservators of feeling are those who preserve the sentiments of morontia and the emotions of divinity for the study and edification of the children of time and for the inspiration and beautification of morontia progressors and advancing spirits.
101:5.9 (1110.12) Scientists assemble facts, philosophers co-ordinate ideas, while prophets exalt ideals. Feeling and emotion are invariable concomitants of religion, but they are not religion. Religion may be the feeling of experience, but it is hardly the experience of feeling. Neither logic (rationalization) nor emotion (feeling) is essentially a part of religious experience, although both may variously be associated with the exercise of faith in the furtherance of spiritual insight into reality, all according to the status and temperamental tendency of the individual mind.