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I work as an English coach for executives and also handle translations. Yesterday I received a project for translation and as I began to do a revision of the English (a book that will be available in two languages) I was shocked by the implications of what I was reading. I don't know exactly how to present this but here goes:

The book is a collection of scholarly articles discussing the possibilities and potential of multiple identities existing by means of virtual reality, and the definition of "reality" in the light (or dark) of digital technology. I can't help but think that at least one group of people is supporting this idea of a sort of "master avatar" that is a digital entity. As a former Bible prophecy student I came to the conclusion that Satan ( I speak in traditional evangelical terms here) has no creative power and therefore attempts to imitate God's creation, therefore Satan's realm is a counterfeit of God's attributes and that the mark of the beast spoken of in Revelation is what gives access to the counterfeit virtual reality of Satan's kingdom. The ultimate "hard token" if you will. The beast and the false prophet of Revelation 11 -19 are (by the teaching I received) the counterfeit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and the image of the beast the ubiquitous computer or smart phone screen, the "Black Mirror". Anyway, I do not preach this stuff since the Papers don't dwell on it, but as I mentioned elsewhere, I lived in this stuff for 25 years and it is hard for me not to believe that the world is run by a group of people totally dedicated to a centralized digitally controlled reality. No matter what it is still a temporal existence, be it virtual or not.

Now perhaps this is not a bad thing, IF that is the next step to Urantia being settled in light and life. But I suspect otherwise, not in a negative doomsday sense, but in the sense that this counterfeit virtual reality is the darkest hour before a bright and glorious dawn!

My first examinations of the Urantia Book were a disappointment in one sense because I had hoped for a clearer explanation of Revelation and discovered the Urantia Book doesn't dwell on it, and barely mentions it. Yet learning that Urantia has loving caretakers and monitors such as Machiventa Melchizidek certainly alleviates concerns about a so called antichrist world government and coming great tribulation and other catastrophic events described in the visions of Revelation, yet I am still separating the wheat from the chaff of former teachings and learnings.

So much was about to happen when the Papers were given, mankind was on the brink of great and terrible discoveries with the potential to destroy everything, and considering the mentality of some of the earth's rulers it is amazing that they haven't done worse.
I can only credit the intervention of the Most Highs or their representatives in preventing the extinction of the light of life on Urantia.

Is this worth discussing here in the forum or is it unnecessary? Thanks!


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Several topics worthy of study and consideration presented here I think.

First, regarding the book of Revelation. I grew up a Southern Baptist and that church relies much upon Revelations for its creeds and doctrines regarding a good many issues. I too have studied the book exhaustively in my earlier days. The UB does explain the book in some detail. It explains that there are only two forms of revelation - personal and epochal. John wrote out his remembrance of a personal revelation. The UB explains what John actually saw in his vision/revelation. Unfortunately and as is so often the case, John had no reference or context for what he saw and his descriptions failed to adequately describe what he saw that he could not possibly understand or explain.

Did John write that his vision was like looking through dark glass? I remember that from somewhere way back. But it was like that whether I misremember or not. The UB says most of his book of revelation was lost or destroyed (2/3 as I recall) and the remnant we have was heavily edited and rewritten much later with very specific agendas and motives attached to the rewrite.

In my opinion, this is a primary reason for caution when sharing what we believe is personal revelation - and may very well BE that. Personal revelation is for the person who receives it. John's has become the bane and mill stone of Christianity IMO. Christians have looked for the second coming every day since its publication. Christianity expects the Anti-Christ and Armageddon and the Rapture primarily by this distortion and rewriting of a cloudy vision. So much of the doctrinal and theological energy of Christianity has been misdirected, even wasted by the false beliefs and teachings related to John's vision/revelation.

The UB also spends lots of time and text on the rebellion and the fall of Lucifer, Satan, the Planetary Prince, the rogue angels and all other followers of rebellion (including Beelzebub). It teaches us that none of these fallen ones has any power in heaven or on earth or in the minds of people and that they have been restrained, contained, and are now awaiting their justice in a state of mercy and patience and forbearance. But toothless!


The UB also spends a great deal of time and text on the future of our world which definitely does not include the rapture or Armageddon. Rather is our world and every inhabited world in the universe destined, inevitably so, to slowly progress by social evolution driven by personal religious experience over great periods of time to a destiny shared by ALL worlds of Light and Life!! The work of the Most Highs is an extraordinary subject for study!!!


Let us know where you want to begin! Have you read of the Apostles in Paper 139? As to the Book of Revelation:

139:4.10 (1555.3) John had a cool and daring courage which few of the other apostles possessed. He was the one apostle who followed right along with Jesus the night of his arrest and dared to accompany his Master into the very jaws of death. He was present and near at hand right up to the last earthly hour and was found faithfully carrying out his trust with regard to Jesus’ mother and ready to receive such additional instructions as might be given during the last moments of the Master’s mortal existence. One thing is certain, John was thoroughly dependable. John usually sat on Jesus’ right hand when the twelve were at meat. He was the first of the twelve really and fully to believe in the resurrection, and he was the first to recognize the Master when he came to them on the seashore after his resurrection.

139:4.11 (1555.4) This son of Zebedee was very closely associated with Peter in the early activities of the Christian movement, becoming one of the chief supporters of the Jerusalem church. He was the right-hand support of Peter on the day of Pentecost.

139:4.12 (1555.5) Several years after the martyrdom of James, John married his brother’s widow. The last twenty years of his life he was cared for by a loving granddaughter.

139:4.13 (1555.6) John was in prison several times and was banished to the Isle of Patmos for a period of four years until another emperor came to power in Rome. Had not John been tactful and sagacious, he would undoubtedly have been killed as was his more outspoken brother James. As the years passed, John, together with James the Lord’s brother, learned to practice wise conciliation when they appeared before the civil magistrates. They found that a “soft answer turns away wrath.” They also learned to represent the church as a “spiritual brotherhood devoted to the social service of mankind” rather than as “the kingdom of heaven.” They taught loving service rather than ruling power—kingdom and king.

139:4.14 (1555.7) When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.

139:4.15 (1555.8) John traveled much, labored incessantly, and after becoming bishop of the Asia churches, settled down at Ephesus. He directed his associate, Nathan, in the writing of the so-called “Gospel according to John,” at Ephesus, when he was ninety-nine years old. Of all the twelve apostles, John Zebedee eventually became the outstanding theologian. He died a natural death at Ephesus in A.D. 103 when he was one hundred and one years of age.

10. Jerusem Citizenship

47:10.1 (539.3) The reception of a new class of mansion world graduates is the signal for all Jerusem to assemble as a committee of welcome. Even the spornagia enjoy the arrival of these triumphant ascenders of evolutionary origin, those who have run the planetary race and finished the mansion world progression. Only the physical controllers and Morontia Power Supervisors are absent from these occasions of rejoicing.

47:10.2 (539.4) John the Revelator saw a vision of the arrival of a class of advancing mortals from the seventh mansion world to their first heaven, the glories of Jerusem. He recorded: “And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and those who had gained the victory over the beast that was originally in them and over the image that persisted through the mansion worlds and finally over the last mark and trace, standing on the sea of glass, having the harps of God, and singing the song of deliverance from mortal fear and death.” (Perfected space communication is to be had on all these worlds; and your anywhere reception of such communications is made possible by carrying the “harp of God,” a morontia contrivance compensating for the inability to directly adjust the immature morontia sensory mechanism to the reception of space communications.)

47:10.3 (539.5) Paul also had a view of the ascendant-citizen corps of perfecting mortals on Jerusem, for he wrote: “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the grand assembly of Michael, and to the spirits of just men being made perfect.”

45:4.1 (513.4) At the center of the seven angelic residential circles on Jerusem is located the headquarters of the Urantia advisory council, the four and twenty counselors. John the Revelator called them the four and twenty elders: “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats, and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment.” The throne in the center of this group is the judgment seat of the presiding archangel, the throne of the resurrection roll call of mercy and justice for all Satania. This judgment seat has always been on Jerusem, but the twenty-four surrounding seats were placed in position no more than nineteen hundred years ago, soon after Christ Michael was elevated to the full sovereignty of Nebadon. These four and twenty counselors are his personal agents on Jerusem, and they have authority to represent the Master Son in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system. They are the designated agents for executing the special requests of Gabriel and the unusual mandates of Michael.

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Several topics worthy of study and consideration presented here I think.

First, regarding the book of Revelation. I grew up a Southern Baptist and that church relies much upon Revelations for its creeds and doctrines regarding a good many issues. I too have studied the book exhaustively in my earlier days. The UB does explain the book in some detail. It explains that there are only two forms of revelation - personal and epochal. John wrote out his remembrance of a personal revelation. The UB explains what John actually saw in his vision/revelation. Unfortunately and as is so often the case, John had no reference or context for what he saw and his descriptions failed to adequately describe what he saw that he could not possibly understand or explain.

Did John write that his vision was like looking through dark glass? I remember that from somewhere way back. But it was like that whether I misremember or not. The UB says most of his book of revelation was lost or destroyed (2/3 as I recall) and the remnant we have was heavily edited and rewritten much later with very specific agendas and motives attached to the rewrite.

In my opinion, this is a primary reason for caution when sharing what we believe is personal revelation - and may very well BE that. Personal revelation is for the person who receives it. John's has become the bane and mill stone of Christianity IMO. Christians have looked for the second coming every day since its publication. Christianity expects the Anti-Christ and Armageddon and the Rapture primarily by this distortion and rewriting of a cloudy vision. So much of the doctrinal and theological energy of Christianity has been misdirected, even wasted by the false beliefs and teachings related to John's vision/revelation.

The UB also spends lots of time and text on the rebellion and the fall of Lucifer, Satan, the Planetary Prince, the rogue angels and all other followers of rebellion (including Beelzebub). It teaches us that none of these fallen ones has any power in heaven or on earth or in the minds of people and that they have been restrained, contained, and are now awaiting their justice in a state of mercy and patience and forbearance. But toothless!


The UB also spends a great deal of time and text on the future of our world which definitely does not include the rapture or Armageddon. Rather is our world and every inhabited world in the universe destined, inevitably so, to slowly progress by social evolution driven by personal religious experience over great periods of time to a destiny shared by ALL worlds of Light and Life!! The work of the Most Highs is an extraordinary subject for study!!!


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Wow, great counsel Bradly, that is exactly what I needed, especially because of your own background and early religious training. I will indeed begin study the work of the Most Highs as suggested. I had failed to equate the toothlessness of these fallen ones as taught in the Papers with the standard view of Satan etc. so thanks!


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You are welcome!

The UB does confirm much of the Biblical account of the war in heaven. But it confirms and declares that this war is long over. Even as a young person in the pew on Sunday, I knew the Devil was powerless compared to Jesus....and especially so to God. I knew there was nothing to fear for myself or our world and could not reconcile the false teaching that the devil makes people do bad things. What a crock!

I became a Jesusonian pretty young in life. If Jesus didn't teach it, I was skeptical! And Jesus did not teach much that was Christian and preached from the pulpits of my youth which actually contradicted the Jesusonian Gospel and Teachings in my red letter Bible. I believed that with Jesus help, I too could spit in the eye of the Devil and defy his temptations and guile!! David and Goliath....hahahahaha.

The UB teaches that such rebellion and defiance of Deity is very, very rare in the universe of universes but it is an inherent potential due to the nature of free will. The rebellion here in Satania, our local system, was not the first and may not be the last in Nebadon, our local universe, but there is no doubt who won this struggle nor does the UB leave any doubt as to the foolishness and inherent failure that all evil/error and all sin and iniquity is doomed to experience.

The UB teaches that sin carries the seed of its own destruction. Evil/error, sin, and iniquity have no meaning or value in eternity and a love based universe and therefor does it always inevitably fade into temporal effects which diminish with time and distance into nothingness. Truth, beauty, and goodness, no matter their source have the butterfly effect of rippling outward upon the currents of reality, forever changing and contributing to reality. Every decision and choice and act based upon and expressing truth, beauty, goodness, and love lasts forever...fulfilling potential while creating new potentials.

There are some readers here who are and have been obsessed with the rebellion - the topics are readily available. I found the explanation and story of the rebellion quite satisfactory myself. Others have a hard time, evidently, giving up the doom and gloom of Christianity's version of the future and they cling to the fiction of the power of the Devil upon our world and our minds and our very souls. Some of us look for someone else to blame for our bad choices and our bad outcomes rather than face the truth that we create our own realities....personally and collectively by free will. Better choices bring better outcomes...and so the UB teaches and confirms this ancient wisdom Jesus described as reaping what we sow.


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Hey there, pethuel. This is an awesome topic to broach as it is rooted in real life events unraveling in our lifetime. Personally, I think what is happening, currently on Urantia, is a microcosm of the cosmic Luciferian rebellion testified in the revelatory papers. In essence, celestial stories are reenacting in our world, within the context of our modern, technologically driven, civilization.

I theorize all events, be it at the mental, material or spiritual level, are a retelling of historical celestial events facilitated by a phenomenon the revelators term "reflectivity." For a better understanding of my theory, I would liken it to a remote star. When its light reaches us, in reality, the star has already died and become a historical event. Our perception, however, tells us these two events are concurrent.

Reflectivity keeps the universe uniform, standardized and in harmony all throughout. However, this needs to be qualified by the fact freewill beings can interfere with, augment, and resist reflectivity. And Lucifer knew this fact and exploited this phenomenon; that is, he broke from the original order of creation as it was reflected to him, to project his "version" of the story of "creation" into the material plane.

With the above understanding, I posit that the war in Heaven narrated in UB occurs now and reflects into our world, throughout humanity's history, from past to present, and if he succeeds, into the future, earth timeline.

According to John's revelation, the Beast comprises three parts, (1) mark, (2) image and (3) name. I believe technology, but more specifically the internet, is the image of the Beast. The mark is the device that allows us to interface with the image, and the name is the assigned numerical value to identify the handler of said technology ---on the web, it is the IP#, for components it is a serial#, on a driver's license it is the DL#, etc.

Eventually they will consolidate all technological devices by making them smart, thus allowing them to talk to the web and each other, forming a wide sweeping technological network. And all serial#s, IP#s, license#, etc.. will be uniformed; only one ID# to identify you when interfacing with the system.





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I work as an English coach for executives and also handle translations. Yesterday I received a project for translation and as I began to do a revision of the English (a book that will be available in two languages) I was shocked by the implications of what I was reading. I don't know exactly how to present this but here goes:

The book is a collection of scholarly articles discussing the possibilities and potential of multiple identities existing by means of virtual reality, and the definition of "reality" in the light (or dark) of digital technology. I can't help but think that at least one group of people is supporting this idea of a sort of "master avatar" that is a digital entity. As a former Bible prophecy student I came to the conclusion that Satan ( I speak in traditional evangelical terms here) has no creative power and therefore attempts to imitate God's creation, therefore Satan's realm is a counterfeit of God's attributes and that the mark of the beast spoken of in Revelation is what gives access to the counterfeit virtual reality of Satan's kingdom. The ultimate "hard token" if you will. The beast and the false prophet of Revelation 11 -19 are (by the teaching I received) the counterfeit of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and the image of the beast the ubiquitous computer or smart phone screen, the "Black Mirror". Anyway, I do not preach this stuff since the Papers don't dwell on it, but as I mentioned elsewhere, I lived in this stuff for 25 years and it is hard for me not to believe that the world is run by a group of people totally dedicated to a centralized digitally controlled reality. No matter what it is still a temporal existence, be it virtual or not.

Now perhaps this is not a bad thing, IF that is the next step to Urantia being settled in light and life. But I suspect otherwise, not in a negative doomsday sense, but in the sense that this counterfeit virtual reality is the darkest hour before a bright and glorious dawn!

My first examinations of the Urantia Book were a disappointment in one sense because I had hoped for a clearer explanation of Revelation and discovered the Urantia Book doesn't dwell on it, and barely mentions it. Yet learning that Urantia has loving caretakers and monitors such as Machiventa Melchizidek certainly alleviates concerns about a so called antichrist world government and coming great tribulation and other catastrophic events described in the visions of Revelation, yet I am still separating the wheat from the chaff of former teachings and learnings.

So much was about to happen when the Papers were given, mankind was on the brink of great and terrible discoveries with the potential to destroy everything, and considering the mentality of some of the earth's rulers it is amazing that they haven't done worse.
I can only credit the intervention of the Most Highs or their representatives in preventing the extinction of the light of life on Urantia.

Is this worth discussing here in the forum or is it unnecessary? Thanks!

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I agree that technology does, in many ways, fit the anticipated nature and role of that which will unite the world and bring a singular language and governance to our world, eventually - the prophesied Beast perhaps? An interesting perspective. Certainly the UB describes the evolutionary mortal epochs to include one language and one world government as an inevitable step toward our planetary destiny.

There are some excellent topics and discussions here about the future destiny of Urantia and the route to one world government and language and the many related conspiracies and missteps and dangers ahead in achieving that inevitability. Evidently there are some UB readers who still resist this path to the future and believe that Lucifer still guides or contests our future and that there is still a great battle and reckoning to come. A most curious perspective for a UB student to hold I think.


It is important to note that BB's theory departs rather dramatically from the presentation of universe reality and history in the UB. He has noted he does not read or accept the UB literally and takes great personal license with his "theories" he shares here at TruthBook.

Regarding BB's metaphysical "theory"....it should be noted that the UB offers a very specific definition of and application for the term "reflectivity" which has nothing or very little in common with BB's usage of the term. The link here offers the related text to the definitions and description of "reflectivity":

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... rch=Search

I recently began a topic on the subject: How Does God Know Everything?

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5432

Also, it should be noted that BB's theory of time and its implications for the present/future also disagrees directly with the presentation in the UB of the rebellion, its history, and it effects upon subsequent time and history....not only on our world but throughout the Local System....and the universe in total.

The UB says the rebellion is over. It's repercussions linger...but fade with time. It also says that over 1,000 times more good than bad has resulted by the love and mercy response to it and that those benefits continue to accrue with time. That which occurs today is not a "retelling" of history. This too defies the UB's teachings that all of history is both the realization of prior potentials and the creation of new potentials in a very progressive and evolutionary expansion of reality and potential achievement.


The material, evolutionary planets specifically each have their own unique and progressive evolution which is NEVER a "retelling" of ANY "celestial events" but is, rather, a very dynamic and individual story of how free will works out its own path to the fulfillment of potential and inevitable destiny. The retelling of historical events is done however - in great acted out pageantries on the Mansion Worlds - for our education. And reflectivity is one of the techniques for presenting these educational entertainments as historically archived...and as described in the UB.


BB's theory presented here contradicts the UB in multiple ways....clearly. Which again raises the specter and question as to the purpose of TruthBook and this community. Are we here to share, study, and discover the teachings of fact and truth in the UB? Or are we here to invent theories and fables which contradict the text and then pretend that they do not??!!

So...all who wish to discuss BB's metaphysical theories and explanations of reality - please do so. Just a reminder that they do contradict the UB and are a personal construct of BB's in his metaphorical interpretations of the universe realities presented in the UB...the actual and supposed focus of study here and our reason to come together.


This is not my opinion vs. BB's opinions...it is BB's opinions as opposed to the contents of the UB. Caution is advised. I do appreciate his claim of "theorize".

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pethuel,

Here is an example of the Thought Adjuster described similarly to the mark of the Beast as John delivers it in his book of Revelation. I make it convenient for you to see the parallels by collating the references.

Revelator's description of Mystery Monitory, the Thought Adjuster:

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108:6.3 (1193.2) The Mystery Monitors are undoubtedly ... the image of God ... The Adjuster is the mark of divinity, the presence of God. ...


John's description of Mystery Babylon and mark of the Beast:

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Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


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Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


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1. Mystery Monitor : Mystery, Babylon the Great


2. Image of God : Image of the Beast


3. Mark of divinity: Mark of the Beast


Coincidence? Nope. Not in my eye. Reflectivity. Lucifer's attempt to carbon copy the divine blueprint to set up his.

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What's your definition of reflectivity?

The UB provides one.

The dictionary provides another.

Yours apparently matches neither.

So you obviously have your own definition and it seems critical to your metaphysical theory here.

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7. Universe Reflectivity

[quote]9:7.1 (105.1) The Conjoint Actor is able to co-ordinate all levels of universe actuality in such manner as to make possible the simultaneous recognition of the mental, the material, and the spiritual. This is the phenomenon of universe reflectivity, that unique and inexplicable power to see, hear, sense, and know all things as they transpire throughout a superuniverse, and to focalize, by reflectivity, all this information and knowledge at any desired point...


A naturally occurring reflectivity phenomenon, in a very crude form, we all know of is the mirror. Within the framework of technology, copy and pasting a text is a form of reflectivity. In grammar, quotation is reflectivity. Broadcasting on radio waves is another example of reflectivity. I can go on and on with examples of reflectivity in the mundane world, and they all communicate to us through analogy how Celestial beings engage in such phenomenon. The only difference is they do so at higher degrees of communication. But they all share a common denominator; to wit, the act of replication.

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Let's consult basic geometry to get a visual of reflection.

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△M N O under a reflection over y=-1-X


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shape remains same but coordinates change. And if coordinate changes there is an altering of the original master print.

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Hello you are experiencing the difficulty, in that the Bible uses the term Beast, whereas the Urantia Papers have a view of animal life that identifies its functionality & mechanics. "Technology" the integrated mechanics of the fourth (global) industrial estate as "the mark of the beast"?

If you can remember what is written at the beginning of the Bible, and not just the end, you remember well how Abraham abdicated Babylon the land of false idols, and Moses struck against his people's attempt to make images of Elohim.


No the mark of the beast is not "technology". But it is used in several metaphors: the most relevent is the evolutionary legacy of genetic animal-inertia which is an obstacle against the normal quality of human righteousness. And since human righteousness prospers with the shepherding of the human race, you may go so far as to say that DNA is a type of technology. And now that the manipulation, deletion/substitution, of genes has been proven in the single-celled organisms, we know people use this technology in order to prevent recessive traits disorder et cetera, even trying to identify and provide beneficial animal genes into the zygote of a child raised in their household.



But I think you are really talking about media. What happens when another person's plans are promulgated so well that people have been tricked into following such plans, even to the potential of acting against one's moral imperative. You must be aware of the pleasure/pain aspect of each association that exists within your mind, in order to avoid being misled, in order to be aware of how people are creating image (media/advertisement) in order to suggest new course of action to other human individuals. If you are aware of how this imprinting, then you will share the same indignation as Moses.

The creation of pleasure expectation is like a poison in the human mind. I want you to develop a fuller awareness of the morontial perspective then maybe you will be aware of this. But such expectations are useful in the marketplace, in that humans are more vulnerable to certain course of actions. So humans usually do not looking at things like "an unnecessary purchase" as "sin" but then again "sin" defined in the Urantia Book as "knowing disobedience of universe reality". And if boiled down to purely economic terms, then there is a spiritual battle being fought, prudence versus frivolty. You should consider that an unnecessary purchase may be used to fund social policy which gives legal protection status to corporation and its brands. Consider the way that Jesus entrusted John Zebedee with his personal finance (129:2.11).

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Revelators actually borrow the term "mark of the Beast" and use it once in the papers:

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47:9.1 (538.6) ... seventh mansion world. Here you will be purged of all the remnants ... unspiritual planetary tendencies. The last remnants of the “mark of the beast” are here eradicated.


Interesting they threw that in the revelations because it ties in with John's vision; Lucifer's rebellion played a pivotal role in 'unspiritualizing' many mortals with his sophistry doctrines.

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The delay or lack of spiritualization is not "unspiritualizing". How did and when did Lucifer's rebellion cause the unspiritualizing of many mortals? What mortals were aware of any of Lucifer's sophistry doctrines?


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Jumping in here just because I was really interested in just how/whether those people were affected by the rebellion and Lucifer's sophistries. Here's a section that describes the aftermath of Caligastia's betrayal - certainly a part of Lucifer's rebellion - and its effects on some of the mortals of those times:

https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-67-the-planetary-rebellion#U67_5_1

in which we read:

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67:5.2 Very soon after the rebellion the entire staff of sedition were engaged in energetic defense of the city against the hordes of semisavages who besieged its walls as a result of the doctrines of liberty which had been prematurely taught them.


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Only those "unspiritual planetary urges" as they may pertain to the mature morontial being Brooklyn. I don't think this phrase may apply to the sphere of Urantian sociology, only in the human struggle for morontial independence (self-directedness).

But on the plane of sociology, let me say the dual propositions. One that the Individualised Adjuster can manipulate mind values, and perceptions. Only to help the human individual. But in the realm of group behaviours, we require signs to navigate our roads. We do not require suggestive advertisement in order to acquire what we need to survive.

If the Thought Adjuster may manipulate human mind values in order to fulfill the demiurgos of the Supreme Being, then certainly we accept that human individuals will manipulate hues and objects in order to obtain "shock", "disgust of others" or whatever intended message may be inherent in the creation of a sign. We can accept that Esther's sibling would dress in sackcloth and ashes, for instance. That as a peaceful demonstration, as a public and visible sign unto others. We can accept that humans will dress as clowns and perform mimicry of life in the universe. But nowadays demonstrative behaviours have become too common. And it has resulted in a net loss or dilution of values within the collective consciousness both cultural and spiritual. We see how symbols are attached to social causes, and how humans sometime attempt to exploit our mammalian emotions in order to gain interest or loyalty. If society can allow corporations to practices these forms of advertisement, how much more should you cling to your Thought Adjuster, allowing the Thought Adjuster to manipulate values in your mind which will guide you to fulfill the moral imperative.

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