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A major departure the UB makes from the Book of Revelation is the concept of the coming one-world ruler (Antichrist) and his Mark, which all will be required to have in order to buy or sell. Trends toward globalism and the elimination of borders are opposed by biblical Christians, but world government and the abolition of sovereign nations is presented in the UB as the key to world peace.

Should we embrace globalism or oppose it?


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To oppose the inevitable seems insane to me. Nationalism and/or isolationism is primitive and creates friction and dispute and suffering by falsely creating an us and a them. UB or not, the evolutionary progressive trend of civilization is global. The "one ruler" presumption is not inevitable unless you mean a centralized representative "system".

Christianity is wrong about most things and is the source of fear, superstition, violence, subjugation, and a putrid priesthood. Their opinion only declines in relevancy. As the Jesusonian Gospel comes to dominate and escape its cocoon of Christianity, the world will respond to its message of globalized brotherhood and family and service to each other and all others.

The antichrist crowd is small even among Christians. And they are those who are anti-Jesusonian and will wither on the vine in their embrace of unreality and irrelevancy. Or so I think.


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Hello HonestProfessor, and welcome!
I see this is your first post on our study group forum. I'm curious, is it your intent to study with us and be part of our community? Or is your interest limited to the question of globalism? If the former, it would be wonderful to know a bit more about your experience with the Urantia Book. Have you read it? If so, it's always fascinating to hear about how people learned of the book and their early exposure to it. Feel free to start a new thread in General Discussion and let us get to know you.

Regarding globalism, I agree that the abolition of national borders sounds threatening and foreign to us. I do not expect it will happen in our lifetimes or even our great grand-children's lifetimes. But I think it makes sense, in many ways, as a means of governing our planet in a more harmonious and effective way. As a professor, you are probably familiar with Buckminster Fuller's perspective that we are all astronauts on a little spaceship called Earth. He envisions a unified system of comprehensive planetary planning that can result in new strategies intended to enable all of humanity to live with freedom, comfort and dignity.

Wikipedia explains the term "globalism" as, "Globalism refers to various systems with scope beyond the merely international. It is used by political scientists, such as Joseph Nye, to describe "attempts to understand all the interconnections of the modern world—and to highlight patterns that underlie (and explain) them."

Should we embrace it or oppose it? I can only speak for myself but it sounds good to me. However, as I said above, I don't see it really gaining traction in our lifetimes.


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Interesting question Professor!

Like the opinions above, it seems to me consistent with the message and spirit of the revelators to elevate our concept, of what in political or economic terms might be called globalism, to a person's very own sense of value in more truly becoming a citizen of the planet. And to more and more come to regard each other person living on the planet as worthy of our watchcare and brotherhood or sisterhood.

If there are really Anti-Christs walking in the world then it seems we would do well to recognize them and not give them any undeserved support. "Be wise as serpents, gentle as doves" was the master's advice, wasn't it?


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A major departure the UB makes from the Book of Revelation is the concept of the coming one-world ruler (Antichrist) and his Mark, which all will be required to have in order to buy or sell. Trends toward globalism and the elimination of borders are opposed by biblical Christians, but world government and the abolition of sovereign nations is presented in the UB as the key to world peace.

Should we embrace globalism or oppose it?


Welcome Professor. Would you please verify, quantify, and document what is agreed to and disagreed about by so called "biblical christians"? Which sect/cult is that? Are biblical christians truly opposed to globalization? Are there non-biblical christians I wonder?


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I was referring primarily to Christian Fundamentalists, as opposed to more liberal Christians who take a less literal view of the words of the Bible.


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In that case...I concur with your assessment of the fear and ignorance based view of fundamentalist armageddonists, many of whom still believe the Pope (every pope and the catholic priesthood as a body) to be the Antichrist and Devil himself. Hardly a general Christian or Biblical view however. A rather narrow and specific belief of an ignorant and primitive minority sect.

I grew up in such a church and congregation! Very familiar....

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Antichrist

Here's a link to a good article on the historical context for the development of the fable and mythologies related to the many antichrists (those who oppose and persecute the body/church of Christ) and the final/ultimate son of the devil and son of a whore who dominates the world prior to Armageddon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

Here's a link to the wiki presentation on Armageddon.

Both Armageddon and Antichrist are fables developed over 2000 years of time by a series of believers, monks, priests, Martin Luther, and protestant preachers who supported and elaborated or completely invented the Christian mythologies and Paulinian doctrines from a very scant collection of seeds plucked from the writings of John invented to support original sin, blood atonement, the sacrificial lamb, the angry and wrathful god myths, and the collective sin of all humanity.

The elaborations and details provided from the pulpit are complete fictions of invention and imagination and cannot be found in the Bible...and are, thusly, NOT biblical by any rational measure. And the source and purpose of these teachings are complete contradictions of the UB and truth and the Jesusonian Gospel that might possibly be invented... to use guilt, shame, and fear to convert (save or slaughter) the masses and perpetuate the mythology of Paulinian Christianity which is based almost solely on prior mythologies and Judaic traditions combined together.

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Now....let us consider the truths hiding in the mythologies and untruths of Armageddon and the Antichrist as sourced from the Papers.

We are taught that since Lucifer's folly and fall, the Planetary Prince has been in active opposition to the planetary progress of The Most Highs and that he and Lucifer did also oppose Jesus while on this world. There has been a "persecuter" on Urantia which opposes love, peace, truth, beauty, goodness, and true liberty while perpetuating confusion, conflict, fear, disharmony, and false liberty.

We are also taught in the UB about the planetary progression through the mortal epochs of time that will inevitably result in Light and Life to come. It is not far fetched to consider how mythologies are born by mortal confusions and seeds of fact and truth planted far back in time.

This is one purpose of epochal revelation...to correct, fill in, and explain such misunderstanding and misinterpretation. It is sad and unfortunate that many of our Christian friends are taught to fear and resist social progress and unity and globalization and world peace. Indeed are they taught to expect wars and plagues as signs of progress toward the end of times and also that peace and prosperity are the Devil's tools.

They are taught to fear and hate others who look different and are across some phantom border from the pulpits of their churches...or even those of another color or belief or culture within the same border. They are preached and told to be suspicious of all good things, especially the potential prosperity in cooperation and the destruction of borders and barriers that are inevitable as we become what Jesus taught us to be...brothers and sisters who ALL love one another and serve one another.

The false myths of Christianity are designed to perpetuate the false doctrines of Christianity. They are in total contradiction to the Gospel of Jesus....which is biblical too, as well as true.

Or so I understand the teachings of the Revelation.

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Reflecting upon the posts above, it seems to me the potential danger of globalism or world government (at least in the present time) is what kind of government that would be. We in the United States are quite fortunate that we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which are unique among nations. Citizens are not guaranteed these same rights in Socialist Europe, Communist China, or any of the dysfunctional regimes of the 3rd World.

I think it is naive to assume that any global government would automatically adopt the 12 progressive criteria stated on page 804 of UB. Even in the United States, we are presently doing very badly on #s 9 (especially since 1965), 10 (some science; a lot of modern art "abominations"), 11 (a lot of education; not much wisdom), & 12. We are also losing on #1.

Present-day deep state globalists are actually closet Marxists, and are not committed to the high ideals expressed by the American founding fathers or the enlightened concepts outlined in "The Development of the State". It is highly conceivable that an evil individual or cabal could take hold of absolute power in a global government, and there would be no way for the citizens of Earth to fight against it.


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HonestProfessor, Thank you for this thread and welcome to the Forum.

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Reflecting upon the posts above, it seems to me the potential danger of globalism or world government (at least in the present time) is what kind of government that would be. We in the United States are quite fortunate that we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which are unique among nations. Citizens are not guaranteed these same rights in Socialist Europe, Communist China, or any of the dysfunctional regimes of the 3rd World.

I think it is naive to assume that any global government would automatically adopt the 12 progressive criteria stated on page 804 of UB. Even in the United States, we are presently doing very badly on #s 9 (especially since 1965), 10 (some science; a lot of modern art "abominations"), 11 (a lot of education; not much wisdom), & 12. We are also losing on #1.

Present-day deep state globalists are actually closet Marxists, and are not committed to the high ideals expressed by the American founding fathers or the enlightened concepts outlined in "The Development of the State". It is highly conceivable that an evil individual or cabal could take hold of absolute power in a global government, and there would be no way for the citizens of Earth to fight against it.



For the reasons you list I am of the mindset that we are not ready as a planetary people to embrace globalism. I believe that this planet needs to spiritually progress considerably before we will be in a position to foster and/or promote it. At present we are (in each country with a few exceptions) still too nationalistic minded around the world. No one government seems to really have their house in order which is a reflection of both the leadership and the citizenship. A great citizenship would not tolerate anything less than great leadership. I am a firm believer that a global community is a result of human social evolution and I don't think we are that evolved yet.

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Evolutionary progress is a result of trial and error. No error, no progress. Are we not ready to try?

And yet we already have and do....ready or not.

League of Nations, UN, WHO, trade, Eurozone, student visas, internet, etc., etc., etc. It is far too late to deny or ignore or resist globalization. It is already being fostered and supported and grows into reality. Shall we then oppose it?

Globalization is normal...and inevitable....and is well on its way. It may fail several times before it succeeds and will frustrate and disappoint as it evolves further...no doubt.

Experiential wisdom requires experience first...from whence comes wisdom. Wisdom first? Hahaha...in what universe?

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70:0.3 (783.3) Government is an unconscious development; it evolves by trial and error. It does have survival value; therefore it becomes traditional. Anarchy augmented misery; therefore government, comparative law and order, slowly emerged or is emerging. The coercive demands of the struggle for existence literally drove the human race along the progressive road to civilization.

81:6.41 (911.6) 15. The prevention of transitional breakdown. Society is the offspring of age upon age of trial and error; it is what survived the selective adjustments and readjustments in the successive stages of mankind’s agelong rise from animal to human levels of planetary status. ....

52:3.10 (594.1) The post-Adamic epoch is the dispensation of internationalism. With the near completion of the task of race blending, nationalism wanes, and the brotherhood of man really begins to materialize. Representative government begins to take the place of the monarchial or paternal form of rulership. The educational system becomes world-wide, and gradually the languages of the races give way to the tongue of the violet people. Universal peace and co-operation are seldom attained until the races are fairly well blended, and until they speak a common language.

52:3.11 (594.2) During the closing centuries of the post-Adamic age there develops new interest in art, music, and literature, and this world-wide awakening is the signal for the appearance of a Magisterial Son. The crowning development of this era is the universal interest in intellectual realities, true philosophy. Religion becomes less nationalistic, becomes more and more a planetary affair. New revelations of truth characterize these ages, and the Most Highs of the constellations begin to rule in the affairs of men. Truth is revealed up to the administration of the constellations.

52:3.12 (594.3) Great ethical advancement characterizes this era; the brotherhood of man is the goal of its society. World-wide peace—the cessation of race conflict and national animosity—is the indicator of planetary ripeness for the advent of the third order of sonship, the Magisterial Son.

52:5.1 (595.6) When a certain standard of intellectual and spiritual development is attained on an inhabited world, a Paradise bestowal Son always arrives. On normal worlds he does not appear in the flesh until the races have ascended to the highest levels of intellectual development and ethical attainment. But on Urantia the bestowal Son, even your own Creator Son, appeared at the close of the Adamic dispensation, but that is not the usual order of events on the worlds of space.

52:5.2 (595.7) When the worlds have become ripe for spiritualization, the bestowal Son arrives. These Sons always belong to the Magisterial or Avonal order except in that case, once in each local universe, when the Creator Son prepares for his terminal bestowal on some evolutionary world, as occurred when Michael of Nebadon appeared on Urantia to bestow himself upon your mortal races. Only one world in near ten million can enjoy such a gift; all other worlds are spiritually advanced by the bestowal of a Paradise Son of the Avonal order.

52:5.8 (596.6) The postbestowal Son age may extend from ten thousand to a hundred thousand years. There is no arbitrary time allotted to any of these dispensational eras. This is a time of great ethical and spiritual progress. Under the spiritual influence of these ages, human character undergoes tremendous transformations and experiences phenomenal development. It becomes possible to put the golden rule into practical operation. The teachings of Jesus are really applicable to a mortal world which has had the preliminary training of the prebestowal Sons with their dispensations of character ennoblement and culture augmentation.

52:6.2 (597.3) Even on normal evolutionary worlds the realization of the world-wide brotherhood of man is not an easy accomplishment. On a confused and disordered planet like Urantia such an achievement requires a much longer time and necessitates far greater effort. Unaided social evolution can hardly achieve such happy results on a spiritually isolated sphere. Religious revelation is essential to the realization of brotherhood on Urantia.....

"Under the spiritual influence of these ages, human character undergoes tremendous transformations and experiences phenomenal development." Note: this describes the powerful influences and results of the Spirit of Truth and the flood of God Fragments to Urantia beginning just 2000 years ago.

55:0.1 (621.1) THE age of light and life is the final evolutionary attainment of a world of time and space. From the early times of primitive man, such an inhabited world has passed through the successive planetary ages—the pre- and the post-Planetary Prince ages, the post-Adamic age, the post-Magisterial Son age, and the postbestowal Son age. And then is such a world made ready for the culminating evolutionary attainment, the settled status of light and life, by the ministry of the successive planetary missions of the Trinity Teacher Sons with their ever-advancing revelations of divine truth and cosmic wisdom. In these endeavors the Teacher Sons enjoy the assistance of the Brilliant Evening Stars always, and the Melchizedeks sometimes, in establishing the final planetary age.

55:3.1 (624.7) During this age of light and life the world increasingly prospers under the fatherly rule of the Planetary Sovereign. By this time the worlds are progressing under the momentum of one language, one religion, and, on normal spheres, one race. But this age is not perfect. These worlds still have well-appointed hospitals, homes for the care of the sick. There still remain the problems of caring for accidental injuries and the inescapable infirmities attendant upon the decrepitude of old age and the disorders of senility. Disease has not been entirely vanquished, neither have the earth animals been subdued in perfection; but such worlds are like Paradise in comparison with the early times of primitive man during the pre-Planetary Prince age. You would instinctively describe such a realm—could you be suddenly transported to a planet in this stage of development—as heaven on earth.

55:5.1 (629.10) Mortal creatures living on a sin-stricken, evil-dominated, self-seeking, isolated world, such as Urantia, can hardly conceive of the physical perfection, the intellectual attainment, and the spiritual development which characterize these advanced epochs of evolution on a sinless sphere.

55:5.2 (629.11) The advanced stages of a world settled in light and life represent the acme of evolutionary material development. On these cultured worlds, gone are the idleness and friction of the earlier primitive ages. Poverty and social inequality have all but vanished, degeneracy has disappeared, and delinquency is rarely observed. Insanity has practically ceased to exist, and feeble-mindedness is a rarity.

55:5.3 (629.12) The economic, social, and administrative status of these worlds is of a high and perfected order. Science, art, and industry flourish, and society is a smoothly working mechanism of high material, intellectual, and cultural achievement. Industry has been largely diverted to serving the higher aims of such a superb civilization. The economic life of such a world has become ethical.

55:5.4 (630.1) War has become a matter of history, and there are no more armies or police forces. Government is gradually disappearing. Self-control is slowly rendering laws of human enactment obsolete. The extent of civil government and statutory regulation, in an intermediate state of advancing civilization, is in inverse proportion to the morality and spirituality of the citizenship.

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