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Is spirit gravity between personality gravity and mind gravity, in your consideration?

Hi SEla_Kelly - Section 12.3 discusses the 4 distinct types of gravity (see paper 12:3.2):
UB paper 12 section 3 wrote:
1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.

With regard to these distinct types of gravity, in the Forword, the authors discuss the nature of response to these distinct "absolute presence circuits (12:3.6)". We might even say they define the nature of "response-ability" (ability or capacity to respond?) see Forword section 6,
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"Any and all things responding to the personality circuit of the Father, we call personal. Any and all things responding to the spirit circuit of the Son, we call spirit. Any and all that responds to the mind circuit of the Conjoint Actor, we call mind, mind as an attribute of the Infinite Spirit -- mind in all its phases. Any and all that responds to the material-gravity circuit centering in nether Paradise, we call matter -- energy-matter in all its metamorphic states."

The above paragraph seems to give us new definitions for things material, mindal, spiritual, and personal?

See also: paper 15:9.1:
UB 15:9.1 wrote:
"The universal circuits of Paradise do actually pervade the realms of the seven superuniverses. These presence circuits are: the personality gravity of the Universal Father, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son, the mind gravity of the Conjoint Actor, and the material gravity of the eternal Isle."

and paper 12:3.12:
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"Personality Gravity is noncomputable. We recognize the circuit, but we cannot measure either qualitative or quantitative realities responsive thereto."

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So.... we now know that Divine Assurance has several sources and methods of delivery to each mortal on all 7 trillion worlds of material, evolutionary origin of souls. The mind, the personality, and the spirit circuits are 3 such sources. Thanks Nigel!!!

We know that knowledge and experience deliver another form of assurance, a form of the personal certainty of reality, by our personal experiential wisdom and knowledge of reality by our universe education and due to our ever growing objectivity perspective, all of which combines to enhance and supplement our faith and personal revelation assurances gained by the very presence of the personality and the ministry of Holy Spirit and Adjutant Mind Spirits and Thought Adjuster.

Considering physical/material gravity, science has demonstrated that the gravitational effect of the sun (for example) on orbiting worlds grows by how close a world is to the sun. The same mass that is closer to the sun feels a greater gravitational effect and the same mass that is more distant from the sun feels a lesser gravitational effect. Likewise does a greater mass that is the same distance from the sun as a lesser mass have a greater gravitational effect or pull that a smaller or lesser mass does from equidistance.

I am not sure the personality and mind circuits increase their gravitational pull and effects by proximity or mass. Do we gain quality or quantity of mind or personality? We gain both regarding spirituality. We gain knowledge and experience and wisdom and spirituality over time. I don't think we increase mind or personality though...needs more study!

While I am unsure about the similar effects of personality and mind gravity (doing more research!), the Papers are very clear that spirit-gravity works the same as physical/material gravity regarding both proximity and mass. The center or source of spirit gravity is fixed and so is its gravitational mass, at least during the current epoch of time and space creation. But the pilgrim's path forward to Paradise includes personal gains in both proximity and mass and both are a function of our spiritization in the Local and Super Universe enroute to Havona on our Paradise ascension journey/adventure.

The more spiritual and spiritized we become, the greater the gravitational effect of the spirit gravity circuit. Such spiritization makes us closer to the Paradise Source (not in distance but in time as a measure of the pilgrim's path to Paradise - the journey is shortened in time by our progress regardless of our actual location in space) and the more spiritual and spiritized we become, the greater our response due to the quality (mass) of our own spirit nature. Proximity (in time and progress) to Paradise and quality (mass due to progress) of spiritization or spiritual experience both equate to a greater gravitational effect!!

It is my opinion that this increasing response to the spirit gravity circuit ITSELF delivers a profound and growing ASSURANCE to the soul of mortals upon the pilgrim's path to Paradise. The closer we get to Paradise and our true spirit natures, the more gravitational effects we feel for further response. The path straightens and inclines downward the more spiritized we become. There are fewer obstacles and detours and delays as we become more and more spiritized.

As we transfer the seat of our identity from our material nature to our spirit nature physical gravity loses power while spirit gravity increases its effects. As more and more people on in any world and of any generation gain in spiritization and Circle progress, the more effect does the collective society likewise experience of this gravity circuit.

I think fusion with our God Fragment is a mighty accelerant of our spiritual progress. I also believe we are taught that once we become Finalters and 6th or 7th stage spirit beings we will always enjoy the maximum spirit gravity circuit effects no matter where we are in the universe.

Remember here that the measure of "proximity" in planets and stars is determined by distance in space but proximity in spirit is not distance but spiritization vs. materialism. The purer the spirit form of a being then the closer in proximity is that being to the source and center of spirit gravity. This is true no matter the space distance of the being from Paradise.

Please excuse reposting the same text over but this is to explore gravitational effect which includes both the source and the response to that source:

(82.2) 7:1.3 Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

(82.3) 7:1.4 The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world. This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition. Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity. Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center; and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.

(82.6) 7:1.7 Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit.

(82.7) 7:1.8 All reactions of the spirit-gravity circuit of the grand universe are predictable. We recognize all actions and reactions of the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son and find them to be dependable. In accordance with well-known laws, we can and do measure spiritual gravity just as man attempts to compute the workings of finite physical gravity. There is an unvarying response of the Son’s spirit to all spirit things, beings, and persons, and this response is always in accordance with the degree of actuality (the qualitative degree of reality) of all such spiritual values.

(84.2) 7:3.2 The spiritual-gravity pull of the Eternal Son constitutes the inherent secret of the Paradise ascension of surviving human souls. All genuine spirit values and all bona fide spiritualized individuals are held within the unfailing grasp of the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son. The mortal mind, for example, initiates its career as a material mechanism and is eventually mustered into the Corps of the Finality as a well-nigh perfected spirit existence, becoming progressively less subject to material gravity and correspondingly more responsive to the inward pulling urge of spirit gravity during this entire experience. The spirit-gravity circuit literally pulls the soul of man Paradiseward.

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"[ ... ]. The more spiritual and spiritized we become, the greater the gravitational effect of the spirit gravity circuit. Such spiritization makes us closer to the Paradise Source (not in distance but in time as a measure of the pilgrim's path to Paradise - the journey is shortened in time by our progress regardless of our actual location in space) and the more spiritual and spiritized we become, the greater our response due to the quality (mass) of our own spirit nature. Proximity (in time and progress) to Paradise and quality (mass due to progress) of spiritization or spiritual experience both equate to a greater gravitational effect!!

It is my opinion that this increasing response to the spirit gravity circuit ITSELF delivers a profound and growing ASSURANCE to the soul of mortals upon the pilgrim's path to Paradise. The closer we get to Paradise and our true spirit natures, the more gravitational effects we feel for further response. [ ... ]

I like your idea, that as pilgrims, our time-like separation from the Father decreases, regardless of space-like distance. Reminds me of this:
paper 107:2.5 wrote:
"[...]. And it is entirely possible that an Adjuster could be roaming the master universe simultaneously with being at one with the omnipresent Father." (107:2.5)

Related to personal assurance and gravity reponse-ability, in section 6.8 of the Forword, they say "therefore is the universe illuminated by three kinds of light: material light, intellectual insight, and spirit luminosity." This covers universal illumination of the domains of matter, mind and spirit. But what about the Father's personal domain, the realm of persons? What kind of light "lights up a Person"?

Given the revelation about independent systems of gravity and light for each of {matter, mind, spirit}, and that the Father himself is the actual and gravitational source and center for the realm of Persons, and that persons respond so easily and naturally to love, I like the idea that... personality is "illuminated by love". Which would make love the currency of the economy of the Father's personal domain :o

"God is Love"? Maybe. But like interaction between atomic orbital shells is mediated by photons, interaction with the Father is mediated by love :biggrin:

Our mission, if we choose to accept it, is to "awaken the response of love..." 188:5.2 O:)

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Of all the means, sources, and methods of Divine assurance, the foundation of assurance personal feelings we experience by the embrace of love. By both its reception and its giving.

We are told that Divine love is a circuit. We receive live by giving love. The more we give the more we get. We receive forgiveness as we forgive and we feel love as we give love. The feeling of this current of love as it flows through our being is assurance.

1545.9) 138:8.8 Jesus made plain to his apostles the difference between the repentance of so-called good works as taught by the Jews and the change of mind by faith — the new birth — which he required as the price of admission to the kingdom. He taught his apostles that faith was the only requisite to entering the Father’s kingdom. John had taught them “repentance — to flee from the wrath to come.” Jesus taught, “Faith is the open door for entering into the present, perfect, and eternal love of God.” Jesus did not speak like a prophet, one who comes to declare the word of God. He seemed to speak of himself as one having authority. Jesus sought to divert their minds from miracle seeking to the finding of a real and personal experience in the satisfaction and assurance of the indwelling of God’s spirit of love and saving grace.


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But love does actually flow through our mortal tabernacles? When you say "our being", that is something assumed to have physical center on Paradise, right? If all of our "Beings" have their true constitutions on Paradise, then there is practically 0 distance for you to theorize this "current" or "circuit of love". Love would have to flow through our physical forms as creatures (to be consciously realisable), even if love is derived from "our Being", love derived from Source.

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But love does actually flow through our mortal tabernacles? When you say "our being", that is something assumed to have physical center on Paradise, right? If all of our "Beings" have their true constitutions on Paradise, then there is practically 0 distance for you to theorize this "current" or "circuit of love". Love would have to flow through our physical forms as creatures (to be consciously realisable), even if love is derived from "our Being", love derived from Source.


Your assumptions are your own Stephen. We are where we are and we are not somewhere else. Love does not flow through the material matter Stephen but through the personality and mind and spirit of all beings so endowed. And all 4 circuits extend from Paradise to the very ends and outer limits of the grand universe to wherever creation and creature may be found.

Love is not derived "from" our being Stephen. Love has but one source and if we choose, it may flow through us as we share it by giving it to others. Please cite quotes related to your declarations here if you please...we study the UB here.

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The idea of "love as a feeling", that modus by which "personal assurances" may be recognised, is an intriguing one. Very self-explanatory, and 'feeling' as a basis would be very difficult to affirm! I am not someone who needs God's constant reassurance that he is my spiritual father and that we are living in his grand universe, a friendly universe we are told. To be sure, this is your declaration Bradly. And since this love is/becomes a feeling that is known by the creature. Well, but there are many dynamics in the material universe that become separated - is the mind-adjutant energy known as the spirit of intuition "love"? Where do you begin to say that spiritual energy is something as distinct in its quality than that of love? Do you think that 'love' cannot be attributed to God, but rather of the human individual's personality unification, his own ability to indraw energy 'harmoniously'?

Well, love in my estimation is not actually a physical reality. Love can be achieved, manifest, in physical reality by the human individual's personality unification. In every sentient being, three primary relationship of personality: "the absolute personality of the Universal Father", "the infinite personality of the Eternal Mother and the Universal Father", and "the conjoint personality of the Universal Father, the Eternal Mother, and the Infinite Spirit".
<<70:9.17 " It is the business and duty of society to provide the child of nature with a fair and peaceful opportunity to pursue self-maintenance, participate in self-perpetuation, while at the same time enjoying some measure of self-gratification, the sum of all three constituting human happiness.">>

Love, as a feeling-reality within the relationships of two Beings, is only one kind of assurance. But Love is thoroughly an unreliable foundation of (any actual human measure of) assurance. Mind, as a feeling of potential, is another separate consideration, a more valuable measure of assurance. When you are seeking employment, say from the HR director of a corporation, you cannot say that your great and profound love should be why you are the correct candidate for your mutual endeavor. You must say, "Look at me, I am a healthy adult with all of my appendages, who has a proven track-record of successes from my youth, my secondary tutelage, and my independent projects", you have to convince them that your mind is suitable, disciplined, and focused at doing just that: carrying forwards the mandates of the corporation while actually creating 'per contract' that which the corporation cannot, which the corporation is requesting from its fiduciaries (hopefully not just an algorithm).

I see what you are saying, though. But the intention of doing God's will, no matter the ability of the mind to fulfill such obligation, even if you call it love, does not have this quality of assurance, within the mind, unless beyond verity the Three Sources had deemed you physically capable, and mindally intented. Furthermore, individuated human destiny, on Urantia in finality as on Paradise, rests on the fact that God's will is undefined until the factualisation/consummation of that human individual's true purpose. Love, as an expression, is not finalised until after the experiencial finalisation of personality unification. If you are saying that love is exclusvely/merely a feeling, you are divorcing that concept from all material reality. But we have this: marriages whereby the relationship becomes factualised beyond the structure of the home. An eternal relationship could, therefore, create the concept for 'feeling that are not bound to the physical reality'. When you see fomented households bound by such internal relationship, you can see a better foundation of the verity in human assurance, since these households exist factually in a materia-time universe. Those 'feelings' cannot, however, be regarded as 'things in and of themself', since there is the notion, the human fulfillment of natural duty within that household, as a member of such household, and thereby love, or 'human happiness', would be true in the sense that one has actually experienced satisfaction (i.e. 'gratification') in the fulfillment of those pre-prime relationships: existentially inherently and socially.

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Assurance is really wrought of simpler terms! "Monkey see, monkey do." Is one measure. Culturally, you must see that: good and bad habits that your children learned from you! "Game recognses game", is another. You have to witness how tendencies and adaptations are learned experiencially. The assurance comes from truth, not love or feeling! "You will oneday reap what you have sown." The realisation of God's will is universal, because we are material space creatures who produce independently of our given experience, our culture, an eternal reality of personality reunification. This is not the 'reality of love' but rather the reality of three existential Sources, before any permanency of material reality within space. And love is an eventuation of recognition: the human soul recognises that the the impetus of creation is one with the reality of being, and thus has the human tabernacle achieved 'likeness' with the Central Univereses of creation. And individuated but not separate likeness of being 'like the universal father'.

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"Proof of ability", and "Dedication of purpose" are really the measure of Jesus' own assurance, Bradly:
137:1.1 Andrew said: “I have observed you ever since you came to Capernaum, and I believe you are the new Teacher, and though I do not understand all your teaching, I have fully made up my mind to follow you; I would sit at your feet and learn the whole truth about the new kingdom.” And Jesus, with hearty assurance, welcomed Andrew as the first of his apostles, that group of twelve who were to labor with him in the work of establishing the new kingdom of God in the hearts of men.

Love, if used as the measure of assurance, can create confusion if used actually "as an attempt to compell" others into belief, into having faith:
158:7.4 Jesus told Peter: "When you talk in this manner, you are not on my side but rather on the side of our enemy. In this way do you make your love for me a stumbling block to my doing the Father's will. Mind not the ways of men but rather the will of God.”

Do the will of God and let each man gain his own personal assurance! Faith is a bond that each man must accrue for his own purposes; "the bond of faith-duty is nontransferrable", and "you cannot force-feed maturity"! For every man who has actually wholeheartedly done God's will within the auspices of his own personality, must be totally different for every person! The assurance of God's love for that person does not go before the egality of human opportunities!

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I am not someone who needs God's constant reassurance that he is my spiritual father and that we are living in his grand universe, a friendly universe we are told. To be sure, this is your declaration Bradly.


Stephen....faith assurance and truth assurance and the assurance of the I AM of personality identity and the embrace of Divine affection is not about the constant reassurance needed by children or the weak. You have here often denied the reality, fact, truth, meaning, and value of Divine assurance. Now you deny the need for it too.

It is not my opinions here that matter Stephen. So much text has been posted which clearly defines, describes, and gives "declarations" of the tadpole and pilgrim's Divine assurance. Perhaps you might yet read and learn something here...we shall see.

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

While you may deny the reality of Divine assurance and also deny the very real need and value of Divine assurance, it should be noted that Jesus as the Son of Man and the Son of God embraced and enjoyed Divine assurance...and certainly there was nothing weak or childish about Jesus.

And certainly did our Paradise Creator/Master Son bless us here with his own gift and blessing of Divine Assurance.

180:5.1 (1949.3) The new helper which Jesus promised to send into the hearts of believers, to pour out upon all flesh, is the Spirit of Truth. This divine endowment is not the letter or law of truth, neither is it to function as the form or expression of truth. The new teacher is the conviction of truth, the consciousness and assurance of true meanings on real spirit levels. And this new teacher is the spirit of living and growing truth, expanding, unfolding, and adaptative truth.


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But you are stating that the feeling of love is the proof of assurance! This is an overblown argument. When Saul was beset upon by the Philistines, and his men adviced him that David would be the man who would slay Goliath, Saul was not convinced! The confidence of his men was not enough to assure Saul! Only when David explained, I am a man who is dutiful and capable of carrying forward instruction, he told Saul, "I will do it because I have already slain a lion and a bear who have encroached upon your flocks, and I shall slay Goliath in the same manner." That would be the kind of assurance that God would demand, also. At least in our Urantian traditions.

But the people of my generation do not seek the assurance of God's reality. They do not want to know if God is real, or that He loves them. What kind of assurance, I believe my generation seeks, is opportunity. That when you arrive in the Central Universe, is when you have the opportunity to fulfill the mission or purpose of your own individuated destiny. We all understand that reality, but none of us know how we should "fit in" if we should find ourselves there. That is why we have this the Urantia Papers to learn so much about the culture there, to prepare our minds and our hearts for entrance. Assurance of living in a universe created by God? This is not actually difficult. Again, I feel like a disgruntled pantamime sitting in the classroom, asking the teacher, "what use is this particular lesson?"

That promise, to witness the majestic marvelousness of God when we arrive on his golden shores, is a blinding one! Children need to know, what will they do there? Or are you relegating the idea of the Central Universes as being like an exhibit at the museum, and we voyeurs and spectators merely?

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Personally, whenever I have felt loved, either human or divine love (especially the latter), I have felt secure and safe; I have felt assurance. Love is not mathematics, equations to be solved. One plus one does not equal two in the realms of personality as we are well taught:

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133:5.6 (1477.1) Mathematics asserts that, if one person stands for a certain unit of intellectual and moral value, ten persons would stand for ten times this value. But in dealing with human personality it would be nearer the truth to say that such a personality association is a sum equal to the square of the number of personalities concerned in the equation rather than the simple arithmetical sum. A social group of human beings in co-ordinated working harmony stands for a force far greater than the simple sum of its parts.

133:5.7 (1477.2) Quantity may be identified as a fact, thus becoming a scientific uniformity. Quality, being a matter of mind interpretation, represents an estimate of values, and must, therefore, remain an experience of the individual. When both science and religion become less dogmatic and more tolerant of criticism, philosophy will then begin to achieve unity in the intelligent comprehension of the universe.


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But the people of my generation do not seek the assurance of God's reality. They do not want to know if God is real, or that He loves them. What kind of assurance, I believe my generation seeks, is opportunity. That when you arrive in the Central Universe, is when you have the opportunity to fulfill the mission or purpose of your own individuated destiny. We all understand that reality, but none of us know how we should "fit in" if we should find ourselves there. That is why we have this the Urantia Papers to learn so much about the culture there, to prepare our minds and our hearts for entrance. Assurance of living in a universe created by God? This is not actually difficult. Again, I feel like a disgruntled pantamime sitting in the classroom, asking the teacher, "what use is this particular lesson?"


Don't measure other people's corn by your own bushel, Stephen. Personally, I only seek to do our Father's will, albeit unsuccessfully. You are projecting your current state of mind to that state of existence so far removed from the present, after we have completed the superuniverse training and have landed on the pilot world of the central universe. Furthermore,"the opportunity to fulfill the mission or purpose of our own individuated destiny", as you say, is an eternal on-going process as the following quote informs us:

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106:9.11 (1174.7) Sooner or later all universe personalities begin to realize that the final quest of eternity is the endless exploration of infinity, the never-ending voyage of discovery into the absoluteness of the First Source and Center. Sooner or later we all become aware that all creature growth is proportional to Father identification. We arrive at the understanding that living the will of God is the eternal passport to the endless possibility of infinity itself. Mortals will sometime realize that success in the quest of the Infinite is directly proportional to the achievement of Fatherlikeness, and that in this universe age the realities of the Father are revealed within the qualities of divinity. And these qualities of divinity are personally appropriated by universe creatures in the experience of living divinely, and to live divinely means actually to live the will of God.


The above quote should answer all the inquiries you have about what to do when we reach Paradise. And to conclude:

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144:2.3 (1619.1) “Prayer is the breath of the soul and should lead you to be persistent in your attempt to ascertain the Father’s will. If any one of you has a neighbor, and you go to him at midnight and say: ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine on a journey has come to see me, and I have nothing to set before him’; and if your neighbor answers, ‘Trouble me not, for the door is now shut and the children and I are in bed; therefore I cannot rise and give you bread,’ you will persist, explaining that your friend hungers, and that you have no food to offer him. I say to you, though your neighbor will not rise and give you bread because he is your friend, yet because of your importunity he will get up and give you as many loaves as you need. If, then, persistence will win favors even from mortal man, how much more will your persistence in the spirit win the bread of life for you from the willing hands of the Father in heaven. Again I say to you: Ask and it shall be given you; seek and you shall find; knock and it shall be opened to you. For every one who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks the door of salvation will be opened.


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But you are stating that the feeling of love is the proof of assurance! This is an overblown argument. When Saul was beset upon by the Philistines, and his men adviced him that David would be the man who would slay Goliath, Saul was not convinced! The confidence of his men was not enough to assure Saul! Only when David explained, I am a man who is dutiful and capable of carrying forward instruction, he told Saul, "I will do it because I have already slain a lion and a bear who have encroached upon your flocks, and I shall slay Goliath in the same manner." That would be the kind of assurance that God would demand, also. At least in our Urantian traditions.

But the people of my generation do not seek the assurance of God's reality. They do not want to know if God is real, or that He loves them. What kind of assurance, I believe my generation seeks, is opportunity. That when you arrive in the Central Universe, is when you have the opportunity to fulfill the mission or purpose of your own individuated destiny. We all understand that reality, but none of us know how we should "fit in" if we should find ourselves there. That is why we have this the Urantia Papers to learn so much about the culture there, to prepare our minds and our hearts for entrance. Assurance of living in a universe created by God? This is not actually difficult. Again, I feel like a disgruntled pantamime sitting in the classroom, asking the teacher, "what use is this particular lesson?"

That promise, to witness the majestic marvelousness of God when we arrive on his golden shores, is a blinding one! Children need to know, what will they do there? Or are you relegating the idea of the Central Universes as being like an exhibit at the museum, and we voyeurs and spectators merely?


Stephen...let's try this again. First of all...you do not speak for anyone but yourself and certainly not a whole generation!! Such arrogance is a hilarious bit of hubris to be sure!! Please stop....

I am not stating that "the feeling of love is the proof of assurance". A false claim and misunderstanding. I have said that Divine love and the giving and receiving of Divine love in the circuit of Divine love by sharing and giving it to others without self importance and self interest does deliver one of several forms of Divine Assurance. I have also claimed and the UB text has been posted which verifies that Divine Assurance comes from multiple sources in multiple ways and not in just one way. And those multiple ways have been identified, specified, articulated, discussed, and supported by quotes. Your beliefs and disbeliefs are truly irrelevant to me and to the topic and to reality itself. But I would welcome and appreciate any text which supports your beliefs and claims!

The confidence of mortals in reality could not be more irrelevant to reality. Our beliefs do not determine reality. And Divine Assurance has nothing whatsoever to do with mortal confidence or beliefs. It is a function of faith first and truth second and experiential wisdom third and the factual knowledge of reality fourth...but never a function of belief. We act from faith and not from belief. And God does not demand (or require or need) ANY assurance of any kind Stephen. You are completely missing the point and the very exhaustive contents of the entire discussion here. You seem completely disengaged and disassociated from the reality and the meaning of the topic. Perhaps you should stop proclaiming and declaring and start reading and studying and asking relevant questions??!!

You seem to think Divine Assurance has something to do with mortals proving our spiritualization and loyalty to Deity. Nothing could be further from the truth...and your post about Saul, David, and Goliath could not be more irrelevant to the topic being discussed...but that claim does indeed contradict the UB still and again. Assurance is not empirical proof of anything. And certainly God needs no assurance by any mortal - God enjoys absolute knowledge of our thoughts and our faithfulness and our loyalty and our spiritization and our motives and our intentions and our priorities and our every decision!! What assurance might God need Stephen???? Good Gravy!!!

You claim: "We all understand reality...". Oh dear. What falsehood. And more blind arrogance and absence of a tadpols's humility.

Divine Assurance is not about the fact of the creation of reality or the fact of God - it is confirmation and affirmation of the presence of God within. It is the warm embrace and assurance of being part of reality and the Divine affection as a child of Divinity and the promise of eternal survival and adventure, the assurance of Being and Becoming. The ever growing validation of experience with reality - not material creation but the reality of love and truth and beauty and goodness and RELATIONSHIP! All relationships based on love are strengthened over time by the experience of that relationship. Our relationship with the Spirit within is especially so!! Divine Assurance grows according to the relationship and the attachment of the branch to the vine and the fruits of the Spirit which come therefrom and thereby.

Assurance is an integral part of this Being and Perfecting by freewill choice (yes, I know...something else you reject and do not believe in!). Assurance is part of experiential wisdom (another fact and truth you do not believe in) and it is with us from very early in life. One may not have faith without faith assurance. One may not experience truth without truth assurance. One may not know the Spirit within without Divine Assurance. Or so the Papers teach us!

It is a shame you deny the reality of Assurance and the function of Assurance and your need for Divine Assurance....for certainly is Divine Assurance a great gift and blessing to us children of God, no matter if tadpole or Creator Son or angel or any other being in the family of creation!!

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PS....Oh and if you find nothing useful here in "this particular lesson", please move on to something and somewhere else! Thank you. :roll: :-$ :!:


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That is well-stated Alexandro, however you must consider to yourself if a person could fulfill that individuated destiny of the soul, without having done God's will! Here, you can see that it is only possible via personality unification of three existential Deities within the mind/soul of that individual, and if the human individual actually fulfilled God's will.

To fulfill your destiny and to do God's will, is the same ultimate act. One cannot fulfill one's ultimate destiny if one has not learned prudence in the supreme service.

"We all understand reality". I was referring to Urantian children, not all human individuals.

To state that 'the feeling' of assurance, or 'love' as means of conveyance assurance, is a diminution of the moral imperative. "Do ye God's will," or "Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven". If one is merely seeking God's approval (i.e. "Behold my Son"), one might forget the preparation of the Christ, before he began his career (i.e. "It behooves me to remain busy while I wait upon the will of my Father").

Rather, love may be some kind of assurance, but it is only the result of one's knowledge that one has actually, to some extent, fulfilled God's mandate that we become perfect. All-Prudent before All-Loving. It means that if you seek love as the purveyance of assurance, you would be prone to stumble against the goal of progress. And the delusion that "God loves me" can be a very selfish, confining, avaricious, and attenuative goal. Why? Because God is no respector of persons, and God must love every being in the same way!

And then you are biting into the exclusivity of sophistry in terms of Love. Who loves God the most! They must have real assurance! Maybe you see a commercial that convince you that you cannot love, or that those actors who are part of that corporation, are able to love better and more! Petter, by trying to 'win' the most souls into the kingdom of heaven, might have neglected the qualitative aspects of loyalty and devotion, thinking that his job was done when a soul was given into the hand of Jesus (this is only the beginning of prudence!). It strikes at the luke-warm notion, that the human individual is only required to believe (and then God does everything). And as we breathe in the modern day, it removes the reward for human initiative/effort (i.e. the fictional character Yoda's statement "there is no try"). Of course one must try!

Love as a supreme endowment, but in America the "Spirituality without Religion"ists have abandoned their families, and set upon a quest of destroying the human ego! Love becomes like a drug manifestible in a simulation, just puch enough buttons and unleash the excitement animation! It becomes a metaphor of physicality (i.e. Dopamine and Seratonin manipulation), and can lead to many faulty theories of human/psychological dependence!

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That is well-stated Alexandro, however you must consider to yourself if a person could fulfill that individuated destiny of the soul, without having done God's will! Here, you can see that it is only possible via personality unification of three existential Deities within the mind/soul of that individual, and if the human individual actually fulfilled God's will.

To fulfill your destiny and to do God's will, is the same ultimate act. One cannot fulfill one's ultimate destiny if one has not learned prudence in the supreme service.


Why would you not want to do our Father's will? Don't you trust the divine plan our Father has for you, His child? The divine plan He has for us all, the cosmic family? For the totality of creation, our home? Do you think it is constraining rather than liberating? Here are some relevant quotes from the UB on the matter:

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140:8.2 (1579.4) 1. Doing the Father’s will. Jesus’ teaching to trust in the overcare of the heavenly Father was not a blind and passive fatalism. He quoted with approval, on this afternoon, an old Hebrew saying: “He who will not work shall not eat.” He pointed to his own experience as sufficient commentary on his teachings. His precepts about trusting the Father must not be adjudged by the social or economic conditions of modern times or any other age. His instruction embraces the ideal principles of living near God in all ages and on all worlds.

195:6.16 (2078.2) Freedom or initiative in any realm of existence is directly proportional to the degree of spiritual influence and cosmic-mind control; that is, in human experience, the degree of the actuality of doing “the Father’s will.” And so, when you once start out to find God, that is the conclusive proof that God has already found you.

195:6.17 (2078.3) The sincere pursuit of goodness, beauty, and truth leads to God. And every scientific discovery demonstrates the existence of both freedom and uniformity in the universe. The discoverer was free to make the discovery. The thing discovered is real and apparently uniform, or else it could not have become known as a thing.


It is said just above that "the sincere pursuit of goodness, beauty, and truth leads to God". Doing the Father's will also leads us to Him which means that at the very least our Father's will is good, beautiful and true. Would you rather pursue evil, ugliness and untruth? :|

I am quoting again some of Jesus' sayings from paper 144. Please, do take the time to read them:

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144:4.5 (1621.4) Prayer and its associated worship is a technique of detachment from the daily routine of life, from the monotonous grind of material existence. It is an avenue of approach to spiritualized self-realization and individuality of intellectual and religious attainment.

144:4.6 (1621.5) Prayer is an antidote for harmful introspection. At least, prayer as the Master taught it is such a beneficent ministry to the soul. Jesus consistently employed the beneficial influence of praying for one’s fellows. The Master usually prayed in the plural, not in the singular. Only in the great crises of his earth life did Jesus ever pray for himself.

144:4.7 (1621.6) Prayer is the breath of the spirit life in the midst of the material civilization of the races of mankind. Worship is salvation for the pleasure-seeking generations of mortals.

144:4.8 (1621.7) As prayer may be likened to recharging the spiritual batteries of the soul, so worship may be compared to the act of tuning in the soul to catch the universe broadcasts of the infinite spirit of the Universal Father.

144:4.9 (1621.8 ) Prayer is the sincere and longing look of the child to its spirit Father; it is a psychologic process of exchanging the human will for the divine will. Prayer is a part of the divine plan for making over that which is into that which ought to be.


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