Urantia Book Forum

Urantia Book Discussion Board : Study Group
It is currently Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:41 am +0000

All times are UTC - 7 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 173 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 12  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
I REPEAT... I have NEVER said assurance is NOT in or of or by mind. I said in my opinion it is not ONLY mindal. Good grief...read much??!!

And the UB teaches that TA's have no need for faith or assurance. No Deity or Paradise origin beings need faith. Mortals don't either upon fusion...or so I think...worthy of more research! Certainty replaces faith with sufficient maturity, wisdom, objectivity, and spiritization I think.

Faith is but a bridge afterall....and assurance is its reward and companion...until experiential certaincy is achieved.

19:5.12 (221.2) And from all this, you mortals, just now taking your first step on the eternal journey, can well see that you must advance a long way before you will progress by “sight” and “material” assurance. You will long use faith and be dependent on revelation if you hope to progress quickly and safely.

101:5.13 (1111.3) Evolutionary religion provides only the assurance of faith and the confirmation of conscience; revelatory religion provides the assurance of faith plus the truth of a living experience in the realities of revelation. The third step in religion, or the third phase of the experience of religion, has to do with the morontia state, the firmer grasp of mota. Increasingly in the morontia progression the truths of revealed religion are expanded; more and more you will know the truth of supreme values, divine goodnesses, universal relationships, eternal realities, and ultimate destinies.

101:5.14 (1111.4) Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance.


Last edited by fanofVan on Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:29 am +0000, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
SEla_Kelly wrote:
A deep spiritual experience of feelings, received through individual human faith, that you call assurance. Well, fine but how do you still say "this experience is not of the mind" - because you identify "the mind" as some rationally objective, unfeeling thing. But life was created of the mind, its framework of function and operation, the living vehicles thereof, by the mind. This is the common misperception of "the machine", that a unitary form of life, in actuality or hypothetically, is "an unfeeling thing". But the ability to imagine such inventions is an experience, nonhypothetically, and you must realise the joy that brings, of beings sentient lifeforms on a physical world, imagining the things they as individuals might create, or doing that, building it. Then as an experience of the mind, it brings deepest qualities of spiritual realities, in the mindal grasp of the human intellect, nevertheless. What is assurance, well from a civilized and rational point of view, one must discount that such arrangement of facts, or truth, of the human mind as being "formally recognised": the elements thereof have been procured by "impressions" and learning, except thereafter become rearranged or accessed in a format of the human soul, which is said to have achieved a greater quality of meaning. Perforce, (in my opinion) those ideas are still meaningless unless implemented to the benefit of one's household.

So what you must examine, Bradly, in our recent discussions, is this relationship between Pentecost, "the outpouring of the Son's spirit", the spirit of truth. Why does this imply, to a spiritual administration or a spiritually administrative point of view: the universal bestowal of Fragments of the first "source" and "center". What is the nature of assurance, without human constraint or discount placed upon the denomination of the meaning of that word? What is the nature of assurance, between the Personalised Adjuster of Nebadon, and the indwelling Adjuster of the human individual? What type of assurance is conveyed therein that relationship? And what, if any, is the implication of duty, for one who actually has experienced the assurance of Jesus, the same type as Jesus was able to provide to John Mark and David Zebedee, or to Peter the Apostle, in another relationship: a finalitor to any other human individual who seeks eternal life?

I need to know what people think about that: the essential faith relationship between the Personalised Adjuster of Nebadon, "the Chief of All Adjusters", whom is said to ratify the plans that Adjusters "of the fusion-series type" who indwell or actually are said to have indwelled the minds of mortal Urantians. What does the supreme achievement of Jesus of Caphernaum imply to the potential of every other human soul? And what is the "negative implicative" value of assurance from the Personalised Adjuster of Nebadon, or from Jesus, when he issued this statement: "lest any of ye would attempt to pluck these little ones from my watch?" - the admonition of the true shepherd. What would that mean, to be obligated to provide verity, in certain situations wherein others, you recognise, have been directed by faith, are you, then, become obligated by your own faith to work with with them, to help or to conspire or assist, anyone who does the work of the universal or paradise father?


Besides mind is both spirit and personality. Text has been provided to indicate all 3 circuits deliver assurance to mortals I think.

6:4.5 (76.5) In his contact with personality, the Father acts in the personality circuit. In his personal and detectable contact with spiritual creation, he appears in the fragments of the totality of his Deity, and these Father fragments have a solitary, unique, and exclusive function wherever and whenever they appear in the universes. In all such situations the spirit of the Son is co-ordinate with the spiritual function of the fragmented presence of the Universal Father.

6:4.6 (76.6) Spiritually the Eternal Son is omnipresent. The spirit of the Eternal Son is most certainly with you and around you, but not within you and a part of you like the Mystery Monitor. The indwelling Father fragment adjusts the human mind to progressively divine attitudes, whereupon such an ascending mind becomes increasingly responsive to the spiritual drawing power of the all-powerful spirit-gravity circuit of the Second Source and Center.

7:1.3 (82.2) Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

7:1.4 (82.3) The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world. This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition. Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity. Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center; and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.

7:3.2 (84.2) The spiritual-gravity pull of the Eternal Son constitutes the inherent secret of the Paradise ascension of surviving human souls. All genuine spirit values and all bona fide spiritualized individuals are held within the unfailing grasp of the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son. The mortal mind, for example, initiates its career as a material mechanism and is eventually mustered into the Corps of the Finality as a well-nigh perfected spirit existence, becoming progressively less subject to material gravity and correspondingly more responsive to the inward pulling urge of spirit gravity during this entire experience. The spirit-gravity circuit literally pulls the soul of man Paradiseward.

7:3.3 (84.3) The spirit-gravity circuit is the basic channel for transmitting the genuine prayers of the believing human heart from the level of human consciousness to the actual consciousness of Deity. That which represents true spiritual value in your petitions will be seized by the universal circuit of spirit gravity and will pass immediately and simultaneously to all divine personalities concerned. Each will occupy himself with that which belongs to his personal province. Therefore, in your practical religious experience, it is immaterial whether, in addressing your supplications, you visualize the Creator Son of your local universe or the Eternal Son at the center of all things.

9:6.3 (104.1) Mind gravity can operate independently of material and spiritual gravity, but wherever and whenever the latter two impinge, mind gravity always functions. When all three are associated, personality gravity may embrace the material creature—physical or morontial, finite or absonite. But irrespective of this, the endowment of mind even in impersonal beings qualifies them to think and endows them with consciousness despite the total absence of personality.

9:6.4 (104.2) Selfhood of personality dignity, human or divine, immortal or potentially immortal, does not however originate in either spirit, mind, or matter; it is the bestowal of the Universal Father. Neither is the interaction of spirit, mind, and material gravity a prerequisite to the appearance of personality gravity. The Father’s circuit may embrace a mind-material being who is unresponsive to spirit gravity, or it may include a mind-spirit being who is unresponsive to material gravity. The operation of personality gravity is always a volitional act of the Universal Father.


16:8.5 (194.5) Creature personality is distinguished by two self-manifesting and characteristic phenomena of mortal reactive behavior: self-consciousness and associated relative free will.

16:8.6 (194.6) Self-consciousness consists in intellectual awareness of personality actuality; it includes the ability to recognize the reality of other personalities. It indicates capacity for individualized experience in and with cosmic realities, equivalating to the attainment of identity status in the personality relationships of the universe. Self-consciousness connotes recognition of the actuality of mind ministration and the realization of relative independence of creative and determinative free will.

16:8.7 (194.7) The relative free will which characterizes the self-consciousness of human personality is involved in:

16:8.8 (194.8) 1. Moral decision, highest wisdom.

16:8.9 (194.9) 2. Spiritual choice, truth discernment.

16:8.10 (194.10) 3. Unselfish love, brotherhood service.

16:8.11 (194.11) 4. Purposeful co-operation, group loyalty.

16:8.12 (194.12) 5. Cosmic insight, the grasp of universe meanings.

16:8.13 (194.13) 6. Personality dedication, wholehearted devotion to doing the Father’s will.

16:8.14 (195.1) 7. Worship, the sincere pursuit of divine values and the wholehearted love of the divine Value-Giver.

16:8.15 (195.2) The Urantia type of human personality may be viewed as functioning in a physical mechanism consisting of the planetary modification of the Nebadon type of organism belonging to the electrochemical order of life activation and endowed with the Nebadon order of the Orvonton series of the cosmic mind of parental reproductive pattern. The bestowal of the divine gift of personality upon such a mind-endowed mortal mechanism confers the dignity of cosmic citizenship and enables such a mortal creature forthwith to become reactive to the constitutive recognition of the three basic mind realities of the cosmos:

16:8.16 (195.3) 1. The mathematical or logical recognition of the uniformity of physical causation.

16:8.17 (195.4) 2. The reasoned recognition of the obligation of moral conduct.

16:8.18 (195.5) 3. The faith-grasp of the fellowship worship of Deity, associated with the loving service of humanity.

16:8.19 (195.6) The full function of such a personality endowment is the beginning realization of Deity kinship. Such a selfhood, indwelt by a prepersonal fragment of God the Father, is in truth and in fact a spiritual son of God. Such a creature not only discloses capacity for the reception of the gift of the divine presence but also exhibits reactive response to the personality-gravity circuit of the Paradise Father of all personalities.

Me here: Is "reactive response" a form of assurance? I think so yes. A response that is personality derived. A feeling and sense of the "other" within, a feeling of belonging and more.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
"Personality assurance" finds new sources as we make progress. The faith experience and the truth received by personal revelation which begins our religious experience is the seed of the growing and progressive mustard tree of reality awareness, objectivity, and wisdom which comes by time and experience IN reality. The journey in reality itself reveals reality and delivers and grows personality assurance of that reality. Morontia experience, education, and mota are the next contributions to that journey of revelation.

In this life, science and epochal revelation give us the more objective, factual, and impersonal (really non-subjective) perspective...but still are we surrounded by and our perceptions driven by ignorance and prejudice and false beliefs and misunderstandings and mysteries and superstitions....and worse. Faith and revelation may be all that we personally enjoy and embrace that has ANY objective, reality oriented truth and fact and the only source of personality assurance at all. The fact of faith and the truth of religious experience are sufficient in this life and the birth and growth of soul and the delivery of soul to our eternity potential....they are a wide and sturdy bridge over troubled waters and deep chasms of doubt and uncertainty and ignorance and fear and the animal nature.

But on the other side of this life's bridge is the glory land!! Filled with angels and celestials and guides and teachers and wonder and delight and universe reality and fact and knowledge and MOTA!! Will we still need faith and truth assurance? Absolutely!! But look at all the other supporting elements that will feed our confidence and eliminate our fears and doubts and embolden us in our uncertainties and adventure of being and becoming!! Consider all the many new forms and sources of assurance we will experience on the other side of the Jordon!!

What is the difference between faith and knowledge?? One may find assurance and certainty in both. But knowledge of and in reality and personal spiritualization and mind spiritization over time and by experience delivers "spirit insight" and does reduce our dependence upon faith as the source of our assurance and certainty I think!!

101:2.10 (1106.9) Faith reveals God in the soul. Revelation, the substitute for morontia insight on an evolutionary world, enables man to see the same God in nature that faith exhibits in his soul. Thus does revelation successfully bridge the gulf between the material and the spiritual, even between the creature and the Creator, between man and God.

101:5.12 (1111.2) Evolved religion rests wholly on faith. Revelation has the additional assurance of its expanded presentation of the truths of divinity and reality and the still more valuable testimony of the actual experience which accumulates in consequence of the practical working union of the faith of evolution and the truth of revelation. Such a working union of human faith and divine truth constitutes the possession of a character well on the road to the actual acquirement of a morontial personality.

101:5.13 (1111.3) Evolutionary religion provides only the assurance of faith and the confirmation of conscience; revelatory religion provides the assurance of faith plus the truth of a living experience in the realities of revelation. The third step in religion, or the third phase of the experience of religion, has to do with the morontia state, the firmer grasp of mota. Increasingly in the morontia progression the truths of revealed religion are expanded; more and more you will know the truth of supreme values, divine goodnesses, universal relationships, eternal realities, and ultimate destinies.

101:5.14 (1111.4) Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance.

48:8.2 (557.17) There is a definite and divine purpose in all this morontia and subsequent spirit scheme of mortal progression, this elaborate universe training school for ascending creatures. It is the design of the Creators to afford the creatures of time a graduated opportunity to master the details of the operation and administration of the grand universe, and this long course of training is best carried forward by having the surviving mortal climb up gradually and by actual participation in every step of the ascent.

48:8.3 (558.1) The mortal-survival plan has a practical and serviceable objective; you are not the recipients of all this divine labor and painstaking training only that you may survive just to enjoy endless bliss and eternal ease. There is a goal of transcendent service concealed beyond the horizon of the present universe age. If the Gods designed merely to take you on one long and eternal joy excursion, they certainly would not so largely turn[color=#0000FF] the whole universe into one vast and intricate practical training school, [/color]requisition a substantial part of the celestial creation as teachers and instructors, and then spend ages upon ages piloting you, one by one, through this gigantic universe school of experiential training. The furtherance of the scheme of mortal progression seems to be one of the chief businesses of the present organized universe, and the majority of innumerable orders of created intelligences are either directly or indirectly engaged in advancing some phase of this progressive perfection plan.

48:8.4 (558.2) In traversing the ascending scale of living existence from mortal man to the Deity embrace, you actually live the very life of every possible phase and stage of perfected creature existence within the limits of the present universe age. From mortal man to Paradise finaliter embraces all that now can be—encompasses everything presently possible to the living orders of intelligent, perfected finite creature beings. If the future destiny of the Paradise finaliters is service in new universes now in the making, it is assured that in this new and future creation there will be no created orders of experiential beings whose lives will be wholly different from those which mortal finaliters have lived on some world as a part of their ascending training, as one of the stages of their agelong progress from animal to angel and from angel to spirit and from spirit to God.

:wink: Bradly


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:16 pm +0000
Posts: 1166
Location: Nanticoke NY
fanofVan wrote:
In this life, science and epochal revelation give us the more objective, factual, and impersonal (really non-subjective) perspective...but still are we surrounded by and our perceptions driven by ignorance and prejudice and false beliefs and misunderstandings and mysteries and superstitions....and worse. Faith and revelation may be all that we personally enjoy and embrace that has ANY objective, reality oriented truth and fact and the only source of personality assurance at all. The fact of faith and the truth of religious experience are sufficient in this life and the birth and growth of soul and the delivery of soul to our eternity potential....they are a wide and sturdy bridge over troubled waters and deep chasms of doubt and uncertainty and ignorance and fear and the animal nature.


I don't believe that "the truth of religious experience" would give such a simple solution! The chasms of doubt must be examined - there is religious truth in those! You are saying "the fact of faith" (not the realisation of one's faith) would lead you "over" all of your doubts!

Again, this person Bradly started this topic and now his advice is simply to "avoid doubt"! What assurance could be gained, without transcending the personal doubts, doubts which are real in the mind of the human individual. We are talking about doubt, not delusion; any real doubt must be valid.

The "wide and sturdy" - sounds like what people call "the well-trodden path", the antithesis of Frost's "road less traveled". Personality assurance comes to those who "fatten on uncertainty", not those who bypass their own rational doubts.



Can you tell me why the Bestowal of the Pentecost Spirit, the combined spirit of the Creator Son and the Eternal Mother, helps to instigate a universal bestowal of Father Fragments into the minds of sentient human individuals? Why is this so-correlated?

_________________
to the Underlaying Unity of All Life so that the Voice of Intuition may guide Us closer to Our Common Keeper


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
SEla_Kelly wrote:
fanofVan wrote:
In this life, science and epochal revelation give us the more objective, factual, and impersonal (really non-subjective) perspective...but still are we surrounded by and our perceptions driven by ignorance and prejudice and false beliefs and misunderstandings and mysteries and superstitions....and worse. Faith and revelation may be all that we personally enjoy and embrace that has ANY objective, reality oriented truth and fact and the only source of personality assurance at all. The fact of faith and the truth of religious experience are sufficient in this life and the birth and growth of soul and the delivery of soul to our eternity potential....they are a wide and sturdy bridge over troubled waters and deep chasms of doubt and uncertainty and ignorance and fear and the animal nature.


I don't believe that "the truth of religious experience" would give such a simple solution! The chasms of doubt must be examined - there is religious truth in those! You are saying "the fact of faith" (not the realisation of one's faith) would lead you "over" all of your doubts!

Again, this person Bradly started this topic and now his advice is simply to "avoid doubt"! What assurance could be gained, without transcending the personal doubts, doubts which are real in the mind of the human individual. We are talking about doubt, not delusion; any real doubt must be valid.

The "wide and sturdy" - sounds like what people call "the well-trodden path", the antithesis of Frost's "road less traveled". Personality assurance comes to those who "fatten on uncertainty", not those who bypass their own rational doubts.



Can you tell me why the Bestowal of the Pentecost Spirit, the combined spirit of the Creator Son and the Eternal Mother, helps to instigate a universal bestowal of Father Fragments into the minds of sentient human individuals? Why is this so-correlated?


Who said it was simple? Or easy? Who said we "avoid doubt"? We overcome fears and doubt and ignorance and confusion and disappointment and failure...with faith and faith assurance and by truth and truth assurance or the mortal's bridge over troubled water.

We must build our own bridges of faith afterall...timber by timber and plank by plank. But faith and truth are sturdy and dependable and trustworthy materials to overcome all doubts and fears. Divine assurance can span any chasm no matter how deep or how wide.

Doubt and fear are proof of immaturity and inexperience which faith replaces with joyful peace of mind. Doubt is a real feeling but it is not valid in reality...the reality of the friendly universe and Divine affection. Confidence in the adventure of uncertainty is valid. Fear is invalid. Anxiety must be abandoned.

And the Spirit of Truth is the Son's Spirit Stephen. The Holy Spirit and Adjutant Spirits are from, of, and by the Local Universe Mother Spirit. And the Adjusters are of the Father's Spirit. Each also has a distinct gravity circuit- Spirit, Mind, and Personality circuits.

Be back on the connection between the gift of rhe Son's Spirit and the flood of God Fragments but I think it has to do with the Spirit gravity circuit connection to a world. The Mind and Personality circuits are already connected. Just speculation. What do you think?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
Regarding the connection between the bestowal of the Son's Spirit on a world and the flood of God Fragments/Adjusters:

20:1.14 (224.4) The Paradise Creator Sons serve not only as Sons in their descending ministrations of service and bestowal, but when they have completed their bestowal careers, each functions as a universe Father in his own creation, while the other Sons of God continue the service of bestowal and spiritual uplifting designed to win the planets, one by one, to the willing recognition of the loving rule of the Universal Father, culminating in creature consecration to the will of the Paradise Father and in planetary loyalty to the universe sovereignty of his Creator Son.

20:5.1 (227.4) The Eternal Son is the eternal Word of God. The Eternal Son is the perfect expression of the “first” absolute and infinite thought of his eternal Father. When a personal duplication or divine extension of this Original Son starts on a bestowal mission of mortal incarnation, it becomes literally true that the divine “Word is made flesh,” and that the Word thus dwells among the lowly beings of animal origin.

20:5.3 (227.6) Some order of Paradise Son must be bestowed upon each mortal-inhabited world in order to make it possible for Thought Adjusters to indwell the minds of all normal human beings on that sphere, for the Adjusters do not come to all bona fide human beings until the Spirit of Truth has been poured out upon all flesh; and the sending of the Spirit of Truth is dependent upon the return to universe headquarters of a Paradise Son who has successfully executed a mission of mortal bestowal upon an evolving world.

20:6.8 (230.1) When the mortal incarnation is finished, the Avonal of service proceeds to Paradise, is accepted by the Universal Father, returns to the local universe of assignment, and is acknowledged by the Creator Son. Thereupon the bestowal Avonal and the Creator Son send their conjoint Spirit of Truth to function in the hearts of the mortal races dwelling on the bestowal world. In the presovereignty ages of a local universe, this is the joint spirit of both Sons, implemented by the Creative Spirit. It differs somewhat from the Spirit of Truth which characterizes the local universe ages following a Michael’s seventh bestowal.

20:6.9 (230.2) Upon the completion of a Creator Son’s final bestowal the Spirit of Truth previously sent into all Avonal-bestowal worlds of that local universe changes in nature, becoming more literally the spirit of the sovereign Michael. This phenomenon takes place concurrently with the liberation of the Spirit of Truth for service on the Michael-mortal-bestowal planet. Thereafter, each world honored by a Magisterial bestowal will receive the same spirit Comforter from the sevenfold Creator Son, in association with that Magisterial Son, which it would have received had the local universe Sovereign personally incarnated as its bestowal Son.

20:10.4 (233.1) In the local universes these orders of sonship collaborate to effect the revelation of the Deities of Paradise to the creatures of space: As the Father of a local universe, a Creator Son portrays the infinite character of the Universal Father. As the bestowal Sons of mercy, the Avonals reveal the matchless nature of the Eternal Son of infinite compassion. As the true teachers of ascending personalities, the Trinity Daynal Sons disclose the teacher personality of the Infinite Spirit. In their divinely perfect co-operation, Michaels, Avonals, and Daynals are contributing to the actualization and revelation of the personality and sovereignty of God the Supreme in and to the time-space universes. In the harmony of their triune activities these Paradise Sons of God ever function in the vanguard of the personalities of Deity as they follow the never-ending expansion of the divinity of the First Great Source and Center from the everlasting Isle of Paradise into the unknown depths of space.

Me here: I think what is described in Paper 20 is a form of planetary "assurance" which becomes personalized to every mortal personality thereafter and which creates a circuit connection that prepares the mind for a more natural and more responsive religious experience. All aspects of Deity are more functional and mortal mind is more Deity responsive due to the bestowal and functionality of the Son's Spirit.

Or so I understand the teachings.

8)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
More on the Paradise Creator Son's and why the Spirit of Truth gift to each material world may be linked to the flood of God Fragments which result thereby and therefrom:

21:0.2 (234.2) In the vast work of organizing, evolving, and perfecting a local universe, these high Sons always enjoy the sustaining approval of the Universal Father. The relationship of the Creator Sons with their Paradise Father is touching and superlative. No doubt the profound affection of the Deity parents for their divine progeny is the wellspring of that beautiful and well-nigh divine love which even mortal parents bear their children.

21:3.24 (239.6) In settling the question of sovereignty in a local universe, the Creator Son is not only demonstrating his own fitness to rule but is also revealing the nature and portraying the sevenfold attitude of the Paradise Deities. The finite understanding and creature appreciation of the Father’s primacy is concerned in the adventure of a Creator Son when he condescends to take upon himself the form and experiences of his creatures. These primary Paradise Sons are the real revealers of the Father’s loving nature and beneficent authority, the same Father who, in association with the Son and the Spirit, is the universal head of all power, personality, and government throughout all the universal realms.

108:2.3 (1187.2) Thus is the stage of the human mind set for the reception of Adjusters, but as a general rule they do not immediately appear to indwell such minds except on those worlds where the Spirit of Truth is functioning as a spiritual co-ordinator of these different spirit ministries. If this spirit of the bestowal Sons is present, the Adjusters unfailingly come the instant the seventh adjutant mind-spirit begins to function and signalizes to the Universe Mother Spirit that it has achieved in potential the co-ordination of the associated six adjutants of prior ministry to such a mortal intellect. Therefore have the divine Adjusters been universally bestowed upon all normal minds of moral status on Urantia ever since the day of Pentecost.

108:2.4 (1187.3) Even with a Spirit of Truth endowed mind, the Adjusters cannot arbitrarily invade the mortal intellect prior to the appearance of moral decision. But when such a moral decision has been made, this spirit helper assumes jurisdiction direct from Divinington. There are no intermediaries or other intervening authorities or powers functioning between the divine Adjusters and their human subjects; God and man are directly related.

108:4.2 (1190.3) While not subordinate to, co-ordinate with, or apparently related to, the work of the universe of universes, though acting independently in the minds of the children of men, unceasingly do these mysterious presences urge the creatures of their indwelling toward divine ideals, always luring them upward toward the purposes and aims of a future and better life. These Mystery Monitors are continually assisting in the establishment of the spiritual dominion of Michael throughout the universe of Nebadon while mysteriously contributing to the stabilization of the sovereignty of the Ancients of Days in Orvonton. The Adjusters are the will of God, and since the Supreme Creator children of God also personally embody that same will, it is inevitable that the actions of Adjusters and the sovereignty of the universe rulers should be mutually interdependent. Though apparently unconnected, the Father presence of the Adjusters and the Father sovereignty of Michael of Nebadon must be diverse manifestations of the same divinity.

108:6.2 (1193.1) No matter what the previous status of the inhabitants of a world, subsequent to the bestowal of a divine Son and after the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth upon all humans, the Adjusters flock to such a world to indwell the minds of all normal will creatures. Following the completion of the mission of a Paradise bestowal Son, these Monitors truly become the “kingdom of heaven within you.” Through the bestowal of the divine gifts the Father makes the closest possible approach to sin and evil, for it is literally true that the Adjuster must coexist in the mortal mind even in the very midst of human unrighteousness. ….

108:6.4 (1193.3) The Adjuster is the wellspring of spiritual attainment and the hope of divine character within you. He is the power, privilege, and the possibility of survival, which so fully and forever distinguishes you from mere animal creatures. He is the higher and truly internal spiritual stimulus of thought in contrast with the external and physical stimulus, which reaches the mind over the nerve-energy mechanism of the material body.

108:6.6 (1193.5) And as you are the human parent, so is the Adjuster the divine parent of the real you, your higher and advancing self, your better morontial and future spiritual self. And it is this evolving morontial soul that the judges and censors discern when they decree your survival and pass you upward to new worlds and never-ending existence in eternal liaison with your faithful partner—God, the Adjuster.

108:6.7 (1193.6) The Adjusters are the eternal ancestors, the divine originals, of your evolving immortal souls; they are the unceasing urge that leads man to attempt the mastery of the material and present existence in the light of the spiritual and future career. The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression. And how they do enjoy communicating with their subjects in more or less direct channels! How they rejoice when they can dispense with symbols and other methods of indirection and flash their messages straight to the intellects of their human partners!

108:6.8 (1194.1) You humans have begun an endless unfolding of an almost infinite panorama, a limitless expanding of never-ending, ever-widening spheres of opportunity for exhilarating service, matchless adventure, sublime uncertainty, and boundless attainment. When the clouds gather overhead, your faith should accept the fact of the presence of the indwelling Adjuster, and thus you should be able to look beyond the mists of mortal uncertainty into the clear shining of the sun of eternal righteousness on the beckoning heights of the mansion worlds of Satania.

Me here: THIS is the REASON FOR THE SEASON and THE GOOD NEWS proclaimed 2000 years ago!! The Son's Spirit of Truth is that gift which ministers to ALL HUMANITY on Urantia for all time!! Merry Christmas to all my friends and fellow students here at TruthBook!!

:wink: :biggrin: 8) :!:


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline
Moderator

Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:13 am +0000
Posts: 1108
Location: Denver CO
Quote:
THIS is the REASON FOR THE SEASON and THE GOOD NEWS proclaimed 2000 years ago!! The Son's Spirit of Truth is that gift which ministers to ALL HUMANITY on Urantia for all time!! Merry Christmas to all my friends and fellow students here at TruthBook!!


Thanks, fanofvan...and the same to you. Thanks for your thoughtful and instructive contributions here at the Forum!

MaryJo


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:16 pm +0000
Posts: 1166
Location: Nanticoke NY
fanofVan wrote:
But back on the connection between the gift of rhe Son's Spirit and the flood of God Fragments but I think it has to do with the Spirit gravity circuit connection to a world. The Mind and Personality circuits are already connected. Just speculation. What do you think?


I think if you do not actually explain this part satisfactorily, your personal theory of the nature of assurances will waver continuously and falter eventually.

Please! You are not even explaining where "spirit gravity" fits into your comparison of "mind" and "personality" gravity/encircuitments.

There must be some connection between what is referred to in the Urantia Papers as "Second Source" and "Pattern". It does not refer to "male" or "female" in that sense when the Authors report "Material Son" (since Eve is also considered to be a Material Son). It refers to the Form, the conceptual form that is real in the Central Universe, that the Creator Michael procured like Prometheus (except legitimately) before he breathed life into them.

If Michael is considered the Paradise Son but ALSO the Father of our universe, Nebadon, then the Spirit of Truth would at once indicate man's settled status as a child of the Universal Father, and man's aspiration or potential to become like the first source, if "the first source" is to be denominated in terms of (strictly divine) personality.

_________________
to the Underlaying Unity of All Life so that the Voice of Intuition may guide Us closer to Our Common Keeper


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
SEla_Kelly wrote:
fanofVan wrote:
But back on the connection between the gift of rhe Son's Spirit and the flood of God Fragments but I think it has to do with the Spirit gravity circuit connection to a world. The Mind and Personality circuits are already connected. Just speculation. What do you think?


I think if you do not actually explain this part satisfactorily, your personal theory of the nature of assurances will waver continuously and falter eventually.

Please! You are not even explaining where "spirit gravity" fits into your comparison of "mind" and "personality" gravity/encircuitments.

There must be some connection between what is referred to in the Urantia Papers as "Second Source" and "Pattern". It does not refer to "male" or "female" in that sense when the Authors report "Material Son" (since Eve is also considered to be a Material Son). It refers to the Form, the conceptual form that is real in the Central Universe, that the Creator Michael procured like Prometheus (except legitimately) before he breathed life into them.

If Michael is considered the Paradise Son but ALSO the Father of our universe, Nebadon, then the Spirit of Truth would at once indicate man's settled status as a child of the Universal Father, and man's aspiration or potential to become like the first source, if "the first source" is to be denominated in terms of (strictly divine) personality.


Please do not worry yourself over my faith or my faith assurance.. nor predict its faltering. And what I have presented about "assurance" is neither personal or theoretical but straight from the text and posted as such!!

Your disbelief in Divine Assurance and protests here against it is your own invention and loss. Please stop denying the fact and function and blessing of assurance to the tadpoles of time.

What do you mean "If...Michael is considered the Paradise Son..."? If ????

All beings with personality have always been, already are/were, and are forever "settled" in staus as beloved children of the Universal Father. The Spirit of Truth does not determine or "settle" such an inherent status or our potential in eternity...personality does that.

More falsehood proclaimed here by Stephen. A sad and perpetual misrepresentation of the words, meanings, facts, and truth in the UB. Unfortunate. Sigh.....

And what is the "Form"? :roll:


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
Regarding the Spirit Gravity circuit...here's a link to those reference (evidently, Stephen missed those quotes already posted from Paper 7 - reposted below). I would speculate that the Spirit Gravity circuit is not itself affected by the Creator Son's achievement of becoming a Master Son nor would I think that the Spirit of Truth being gifted to a planet would strengthen the Spirit Gravity Circuit.

However I would surmise that the effects of both would also increase and improve the mortal's personal spirituality growth potential and experience which itself does increase the effect of Spirit Gravity. Spiritization increases the personal effect of the Spirit Gravity circuit. And certainly does the Spirit of Truth and the Thought Adjuster enhance and supercharge the Mother Spirits effects as Holy Spirit and source of the Adjutant Mind Spirits. In this way I do believe the Local Universe Son's Spirit does enhance and expand the original Son's Spirit Gravity effects locally.

But Michael is also the localized agent and source of the Spirit Gravity circuit...so I don't believe the circuit itself ever strengthens....but the addition of the Son's Spirit of Truth and the flood of God Fragments certainly makes the local population itself more spiritualized and more responsive to the circuit's drawing power and influence.

Just speculating here.....

8)

https://urantia-association.org/search/ ... t%5B%5D=-1

(82.2) 7:1.3 Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

(82.3) 7:1.4 The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world. This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition. Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity. Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center; and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.

(84.2) 7:3.2 The spiritual-gravity pull of the Eternal Son constitutes the inherent secret of the Paradise ascension of surviving human souls. All genuine spirit values and all bona fide spiritualized individuals are held within the unfailing grasp of the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son. The mortal mind, for example, initiates its career as a material mechanism and is eventually mustered into the Corps of the Finality as a well-nigh perfected spirit existence, becoming progressively less subject to material gravity and correspondingly more responsive to the inward pulling urge of spirit gravity during this entire experience. The spirit-gravity circuit literally pulls the soul of man Paradiseward.

(366.4) 33:1.3 Our Creator Son exerts the same spiritual drawing power, spirit gravity, from the headquarters of the local universe that the Eternal Son of Paradise would exert if he were personally present on Salvington, and more; this Universe Son is also the personification of the Universal Father to the universe of Nebadon. Creator Sons are personality centers for the spiritual forces of the Paradise Father-Son. Creator Sons are the final power-personality focalizations of the mighty time-space attributes of God the Sevenfold.

(367.1) 33:1.4 The Creator Son is the vicegerent personalization of the Universal Father, the divinity co-ordinate of the Eternal Son, and the creative associate of the Infinite Spirit. To our universe and all its inhabited worlds the Sovereign Son is, to all practical intents and purposes, God. He personifies all of the Paradise Deities which evolving mortals can discerningly comprehend. This Son and his Spirit associate are your creator parents. To you, Michael, the Creator Son, is the supreme personality; to you, the Eternal Son is supersupreme — an infinite Deity personality.

(367.2) 33:1.5 In the person of the Creator Son we have a ruler and divine parent who is just as mighty, efficient, and beneficent as would be the Universal Father and the Eternal Son if both were present on Salvington and engaged in the administration of the affairs of the universe of Nebadon.

:biggrin:

Our sources of Divine Assurance are multiple in source and nature. The personality circuit, the mind circuit, and the spirit circuit combine to deliver this assurance of belonging and surviving and source and destiny of "self". The more spiritized we become and the more circles we attain, the more powerful are the agents and agencies of these circuits and the more assurance we have by the realities of faith and truth and experience and wisdom. We must choose that which delivers religious experience and growth in the Spirit...and every such choice moves us ever closer to the Source of faith and truth and increases the effect of each and all of the gravity circuits. Or so I understand the teachings.....


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:16 pm +0000
Posts: 1166
Location: Nanticoke NY
Is spirit gravity something between mind and personality gravity? That is not well-explained.

Okay, but you mention this "personality assurance", and this is fair. Personality assurance would be like personal assurance that one has obtained in the faith of his own mind.

But reasoned assurance is not personality assurance. Reasoned assurance does not come from personality assurance, but out of the observation that every sentient individual has some degree of faith. Every human individual, especially children, must have the potential to fulfill that individuated destiny of God the Universal Father, when they find their eternal residence of Paradise. Therefore, if you have personal assurance, you must see to the affairs of how the soul of every individual cannot simply have your personal assurance, but must gain personal assurance by one's means. Out of your own assurances, you certainly cannot mislead others on their own goal of finality, you cannot obstruct the path of faith that one may follow.

Therefore, the common social assurances, are given of this nature: "do as any man should do in that situation", do enough to believe that for yourself, that you acted out of your utmost capacity. And therein the moral standards that go before human progress can adapt. This is because man, as a son of God, will be given all of the prerogatives that God could have possibly offered to the mind of that individual. If you cannot realise, by faith, any true destiny that God the Paradise Father would have afforded unto your soul, then at least do as much that others who go after you can and will live to reap the benefit of such assurance-promises.

_________________
to the Underlaying Unity of All Life so that the Voice of Intuition may guide Us closer to Our Common Keeper


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
SEla_Kelly wrote:
Is spirit gravity something between mind and personality gravity? That is not well-explained.

Okay, but you mention this "personality assurance", and this is fair. Personality assurance would be like personal assurance that one has obtained in the faith of his own mind.

But reasoned assurance is not personality assurance. Reasoned assurance does not come from personality assurance, but out of the observation that every sentient individual has some degree of faith. Every human individual, especially children, must have the potential to fulfill that individuated destiny of God the Universal Father, when they find their eternal residence of Paradise. Therefore, if you have personal assurance, you must see to the affairs of how the soul of every individual cannot simply have your personal assurance, but must gain personal assurance by one's means. Out of your own assurances, you certainly cannot mislead others on their own goal of finality, you cannot obstruct the path of faith that one may follow.

Therefore, the common social assurances, are given of this nature: "do as any man should do in that situation", do enough to believe that for yourself, that you acted out of your utmost capacity. And therein the moral standards that go before human progress can adapt. This is because man, as a son of God, will be given all of the prerogatives that God could have possibly offered to the mind of that individual. If you cannot realise, by faith, any true destiny that God the Paradise Father would have afforded unto your soul, then at least do as much that others who go after you can and will live to reap the benefit of such assurance-promises.


Personality gravity is not "between" anything at all Stephen. Each circuit is its own Divine connection between each being in all the universes and the Creators of reality or the universe of universes. Each circuit is functional on its own and also compliments and integrates with the others to uphold reality and connect all beings to their source - the sources of personality, spirit, and mind. The creature connected to the creator(s).

Divine Assurance is not "reasoned". It is not social or material. It comes from faith and truth and by connection to the Spirit ministry. It is received by multiple Divine circuits and ministries which must be chosen by each mortal. Personal assurance cannot be "misleading" Stephen. Assurance is one of the fruits of the Spirit and such assurance affects our very being and is certainly something to share. The assurance and subsequent devotion and faith and hope and trust of my granny was a great influence in my life. The UB says children are certainly impressed and helped by our demonstrations of faith and loyalty!!

It is true that we must each experience and express our own personal faith and we must each have our own personal religious experience. Religion, like faith and truth, cannot be given or loaned to another. But we are to shine our light. And the lights of hope, trust, faith, and Divine assurance shine brightly from all those who know such assurance and trust. For, we are told, they develop a serene confidence in the midst of all temporal suffering and turmoil and strife and stand out as examples to all others who suffer doubts and anxiety. In this way have my children and grandchildren been blessed by my own assurance and trust in God's friendly universe.

How did Jesus affect and impact those who came to love him and see his own faith and trust as inspiration to their own? I don't believe anyone's faith can mislead any other....perhaps their beliefs and their proclamations might....but not their faith and trust in God.

What is "social" assurance anyway? Text please!! And what is "reasoned" assurance? More text please! Neither of these concepts are related to the teachings of the UB Stephen. Knowledge, theory, metaphysics, and myth are reasoned by observation or explanation of that which is observed or considered as causes and/or effects. But not faith or truth or the assurance of faith and truth. And personal assurance does or may deliver faith in God's over-care of things social but Divine assurance is very personal and so are all the circuits of personality, mind, and spirit discussed here thus far. Or so I understand....

8)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:16 pm +0000
Posts: 1166
Location: Nanticoke NY
Is spirit gravity between personality gravity and mind gravity, in your consideration?

_________________
to the Underlaying Unity of All Life so that the Voice of Intuition may guide Us closer to Our Common Keeper


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: What is Assurance?
PostPosted:  
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:29 am +0000
Posts: 4462
SEla_Kelly wrote:
Is spirit gravity between personality gravity and mind gravity, in your consideration?


What do you mean by "between"? As I understand it all 3 circuits are independent of the others and none depend on another. So...no, I don't think any of the 3 are between the others. But then I don't understand the question.

And I am still waiting for some explanation for social assurance and reasoned assurance with text support. This is a UB study group Stephen...if only you would choose to study here rather than post opinions which contradict the UB.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 173 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 12  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours


Who is online

Registered users: Google Feedfetcher


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group