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Paper 84

Marriage and Family Life

84:0.1 (931.1) MATERIAL necessity founded marriage, sex hunger embellished it, religion sanctioned and exalted it, the state demanded and regulated it, while in later times evolving love is beginning to justify and glorify marriage as the ancestor and creator of civilization’s most useful and sublime institution, the home. And home building should be the center and essence of all educational effort.

84:0.2 (931.2) Mating is purely an act of self-perpetuation associated with varying degrees of self-gratification; marriage, home building, is largely a matter of self-maintenance, and it implies the evolution of society. Society itself is the aggregated structure of family units. Individuals are very temporary as planetary factors — only families are continuing agencies in social evolution. The family is the channel through which the river of culture and knowledge flows from one generation to another.

84:0.3 (931.3) The home is basically a sociologic institution. Marriage grew out of co-operation in self-maintenance and partnership in self-perpetuation, the element of self-gratification being largely incidental. Nevertheless, the home does embrace all three of the essential functions of human existence, while life propagation makes it the fundamental human institution, and sex sets it off from all other social activities.

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In the 1970's and 1980's there seemed to be an increased interest in spirituality, including readership in the Urantia Book.

Since 2000, however, it seems interest in spirituality has waned, and in fact, appears to be on the decline.

Will there be a slumber period for the Urantia Book? When will the world be ready to accept we have a revelation in our presence?


Maybe TUB will rise from the ashes of the fallen Christian churches of America. They came out in strong support of anti Christ last week. The lust for wealth and power was on full display for all the world to see. Satan can no longer hide in the Christian Church. He has stepped out into the light to make his final play for power over all of the earth. The final battle of good vs. evil has begun in earnest. Maybe TUB can cause a mass awakening before the nukes fly.

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Are the people of the world ready for the urantia book?

The answer, for me, is lain in the helpfulness that the Urantia Book has had in my ability to socialise. The Urantia Book was wrought with insights into the human condition, and as converstaion would have it amongst many secular folks, the philosophies held within the UB lend themselves to insights nevertheless. Therefore since it is easier to converse in seeking universal human understanding, the urantia papers have a better chance to prevail.

People are not always wanting to hear praises of God, but focus on important mundane affairs. But if they may receive helpful advice from one who has read the Urantia Book, they will be glad nonetheless. This aspect of importing oneself to the labours at hand, of continually advancing in the mind as well as in one's affairs, enlivens the attitude and opens avenues for opportunity.

There are already rich and successful people who secretly have followed the teaching of the urantia papers, and they are saving their rewards for a later moment, where God is always present, and will have found great prospects as to the purpose of humanity of urantia, the coming of michael to this world, and the reason for their own existence. The basic structure of discourse in public affairs has been structured around its terminology. And since so many individuals have striven in ages past, we may well deduce the proper course. The Urantia Papers are preserved so that in 500 years, society will look back to turbulent times such as these and wonder why their ancestors had not known of it.

But the idea that man is brethren unto each other because we are each the sons of god, is it of no less relevence today, more than ever? How could you say that if a person has not ever known of God, they are resistent to the idea of Urantia Book? The Urantia Book provides insight into each person's religion, and it unifies the broad diverse perspectives of each sect from Christianity and many from Judaism.

Then there are those who already have a church, and yet they are drawn to the teaching of the Urantia Book for greater insight into the personal experiences of Jesus' entire lifetime. How would it change history, if the Bible had always told of Jesus' year in Rome? Or the many things that Jesus kept secret to even those who knew him in those days? How can you help people who have a church, it is not an irrelevent question.

Because the name of God is pronounced differently by many religions, often it is deluge and difficult to distinguish the authenticity of the Urantia Book's teachings. I assure you that they were sent to mankind at an appointed hour, on the authorisation of Michael and at the instigation of Gabriel. One cannot overlook history in their own personal study of religion. The teachers of today have built theology on certain presumption, but the Urantia Book clarifies the struggling thoughts of man. How could this not be useful to engineers, scientists, or mechanics? Not science but pragmatism is so closely linked to the Urantia Book.

The Urantia Book seems obscure because there is no one certain person to lead the worship and direct the prayers of mankind. Many religions have these leaders, the Muhammads and Joseph Smiths of modern times. Also, the Urantia Book avoids this created dependence on Rabbi's to perform their ceremony in order to influence the minds of congregants. However, it is necessary to eventually establish the rights of citizens to worship in their own manner. And it is wrong to impose fear upon religious groups or to intimidate others who are supposedly of a sect. People who read the Urantia Book do not need to form a sect or a fellowship, but it seems natural for this to occur. The important aspect of readers is that it strengthen the bonds of their own household, that we may learn to love our neighbors.

There are not certain obligations for evangelisation of the teachings held within the Urantia Book. But it is necessary to follow the path of God's will towards his eternal abode. And therefore, it will arise in people who have read the Urantia Book to exact certain campaigns throughout cities and to provide warning or teaching to its citizens. This will occur throughout our future with failures and progressions. And it happens through the ordinary patterns of socialisation on Urantia.

The popularity of the Urantia Book is in no dispute: that is why so many other religions disparage its members or stave access from searchers. But inevitably, we are to be there to spread its word in public whenever a person should be spiritually thirsty. It is so simple to look up the teachings of the Urantia Book, they are not beyond the reach of any student. And it is very simple to mention during discussions, if asked, where you have found such profound beliefs of your own.

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Jim asks.....

When will the world be ready to accept we have a revelation in our presence?


To me this is THE question for our planet.

I find it heartwarming that in this age of "on-line" or "cyber" attacks on character and the incessant "if it bleeds it reads" posturing by the media; we have not seen a person of fame step up and promote the Urantia Book publicly.

This is good news.

The Urantia Book does not need to be publicly denownced by extremeists from either the religious or scientific communities. We already know people from those ilks hate the Urantia Book. Now is not the time because this book is too controversial and shocking for our current thin skinned media audiences.

The world needs to spiritually mature in large measure before it will accept this revelation.

What can be done is a stealth infiltration of the sublime philosophies and the spiritual awakenings that are found scattered throughout the book--without giving away the source. Take away from it but make it your own. The world needs a new dialog. A new set of philosophies to live by, a new set of spiritual truth to pilot us into the future. They are found in this revelation and they need a farmers planting. We need to plant the seeds without the book taking credit. If you are to be wise as serpents then go out as gentle as doves with your message and spring it on to the world only in doses it can digest.

Jesus had the right idea of not taking anything away from believers. Only add to what they already love about their own beliefs.

Currently we need to have respect for the fact that there are too many believers who are too afraid of loosing their religion because they believe it means loosing God.


When will the world be ready? Not for a very long time and the UB mentions this near the end of the book.

These are my opinions and I don't know how close to the truth they are. I simply believe the hour has not yet come. I do see changes, some positive and some negative. I just don't see the community of world religions embracing the UB anytime soon. The UB needs the religious believers of the planet on its side and it does not have that yet--not in any significant quantity, only a small fraction of people on the planet are ready to accept it today.

I say, be patient and do what you can in the mean time by planting seeds.

Cast not the pearls of wisdom from the revelation before the swine of immaturity superstition and ignorance that dominates modern culture today.

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Every time i think about this topic question i quickly find myself asking if the world was ready for the 4th epochal revelation...considering the current state of christianity in general and the fact that the world has never seriously tried to put the Masters teachings into practice, the answer would seem to be "no". Yet the UB says that the world was never as spiritually ripe for his teachings than at the time of the bestowal...never before and never since...since 1934ish that is...which points more towards a "yes".

i'm reminded that john the baptist had a very negative view of the world at that time. with the irreligious romans ruling most of the known world and what not a negative doomsday view was shared by most jews. maybe we should be cautious about adopting a similar negative view today?

i'm also reminded that 60 years after jesus ascended the new religion of christianity, for better or worse, hadn't achieved much other than grown to a small cult within judaism and the beginnings of sporadic persecution and things were about to get much worse before they got better. Maybe the state of the UB and its paramount restatement of the masters life and teachings isn't doing so bad by comparison 60 years after the publishing.

just some musings...no conclusions 8)

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Religion progressed from nature worship up through ghost worship to fetishism throughout
the savage childhood of the races. With the dawn of civilization the human race espoused
the more mystic and symbolic beliefs, while now, with approaching maturity, mankind
is ripening for the appreciation of real religion, even a beginning of the revelation of truth itself.


so yeah its not ready as a whole now but the conditions conducive to growth are close enough for us to find plenty of fertile ground to plant seeds now


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3. Concepts of Supreme Value
100:3.1 Religion is not a technique for attaining a static and blissful peace of mind; it is an impulse for organizing the soul for dynamic service. It is the enlistment of the totality of selfhood in the loyal service of loving God and serving man. Religion pays any price essential to the attainment of the supreme goal, the eternal prize. There is a consecrated completeness in religious loyalty which is superbly sublime. And these loyalties are socially effective and spiritually progressive.
100:3.2 To the religionist the word God becomes a symbol signifying the approach to supreme reality and the recognition of divine value. Human likes and dislikes do not determine good and evil; moral values do not grow out of wish fulfillment or emotional frustration.
100:3.3 In the contemplation of values you must distinguish between that which is value and that which has value. You must recognize the relation between pleasurable activities and their meaningful integration and enhanced realization on ever progressively higher and higher levels of human experience.
100:3.4 Meaning is something which experience adds to value; it is the appreciative consciousness of values. An isolated and purely selfish pleasure may connote a virtual devaluation of meanings, a meaningless enjoyment bordering on relative evil. Values are experiential when realities are meaningful and mentally associated, when such relationships are recognized and appreciated by mind.
100:3.5 Values can never be static; reality signifies change, growth. Change without growth, expansion of meaning and exaltation of value, is valueless — is potential evil. The greater the quality of cosmic adaptation, the more of meaning any experience possesses. Values are not conceptual illusions; they are real, but always they depend on the fact of relationships. Values are always both actual and potential — not what was, but what is and is to be.
100:3.6 The association of actuals and potentials equals growth, the experiential realization of values. But growth is not mere progress. Progress is always meaningful, but it is relatively valueless without growth. The supreme value of human life consists in growth of values, progress in meanings, and realization of the cosmic interrelatedness of both of these experiences. And such an experience is the equivalent of God-consciousness. Such a mortal, while not supernatural, is truly becoming superhuman; an immortal soul is evolving.
100:3.7 Man cannot cause growth, but he can supply favorable conditions. Growth is always unconscious, be it physical, intellectual, or spiritual. Love thus grows; it cannot be created, manufactured, or purchased; it must grow. Evolution is a cosmic technique of growth. Social growth cannot be secured by legislation, and moral growth is not had by improved administration. Man may manufacture a machine, but its real value must be derived from human culture and personal appreciation. Man’s sole contribution to growth is the mobilization of the total powers of his personality — living faith.



I am struck that the answer to this basic question regarding our world being ready for the Urantia book is contained in the passages above. I will attempt to explain, but first: 151:1.2 “A sower went forth to sow, and it came to pass as he sowed that some seed fell by the wayside to be trodden underfoot and devoured by the birds of heaven. Other seed fell upon the rocky places where there was little earth, and immediately it sprang up because there was no depth to the soil, but as soon as the sun shone, it withered because it had no root whereby to secure moisture. Other seed fell among the thorns, and as the thorns grew up, it was choked so that it yielded no grain. Still other seed fell upon good ground and, growing, yielded, some thirtyfold, some sixtyfold, and some a hundredfold.” And when he had finished speaking this parable, he said to the multitude, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

I have ears and I am trying to listen. What I hear at the present time is this. I see the Urantia Book as the seed. Is the world ready to comprehend this seed? On the surface we must all say that it is not. So, how many agronomists does it take to change a light bulb, we might ask? Studying seeds is for them. The rest of us are just simple farmers, seed sowers. We must plant this seed in our hearts and minds, tend to its growth and nurture it to fruition so that our appreciation of the value of the Fifth Epochal Revelation is personally experienced, and in so doing our appreciation of the meaning of this seed is revealed. Plants are not self-evaluators. They simply produce fruit or they don’t. Some produce it thirtyfold, some sixtyfold, and some a hundredfold. The Urantia Book may be ahead of its time in many ways but the world is in serious need of the fruit of the spirit, again, made obvious by recent events. Jesus was a sower, as were the apostles. But seeds have been around since the First Epochal Revelation with more sown each additional revelation. Now we have the Fifth. Someday we will have the Sixth, and so on. All of these are the same. They come from the Universe Administrators intent on revealing mankind’s ability to comprehend and appreciate them. I believe we are able to make use of this one.

Realizing the ever growing value of the revelation in personal experience also means our appreciation of greater and greater meanings; meanings revealed by the spirit interaction within each of us. This Urantia Book teaches us a process. Practicing the process reveals the meaning of the text. It also reveals the actual and personal revelation of spirit in our souls. Consider, again, the statement, “In the contemplation of values you must distinguish between that which is value and that which has value” 100, 3.3. This is no simple task. Moreover, it is not representative of a static fact. Each time we address our personal comprehension of value and our experientially associated meanings we have to deal with this process of discernment. And it is in this process of discernment that we are faced with decisions to “thought adjust” our understanding. This then becomes our basis of spiritual experience. But even this realization requires our faith to accept it. These explanations, as complex as they seem to be as described in the Urantia Book, are our actual human growth process patterns. We all do it this way, for there is no other way. God has ordained growth is a function of life. Living spiritually is measurable and quantifiable, “some thirtyfold, some sixtyfold and some one hundredfold”. But on our little planet it is not yet normal.

Science is fantastic at explaining the facts of how something works. Spiritual experience in living human beings verifies the value of both the facts and the process and reveals the source of all this life and reality to the individual. The world is missing something, we all know. The world has in its hand, The Urantia Book, the seed. Inside each human being worldwide is a fragment of the living God. This fragment with our living and growing commitment produces the living plant which reveals the actual fruit of the spirit; this is our responsibility to experience. Our personal spiritual experience is a revelation of our relationship with God. Because of this, we are the revelation of God the world (and the universe administration) is looking for and I submit it is, in fact, ready for that.


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I am often reminder by this quote from the Authors regarding the growth of Christianity"

195:0.4 At first, Christianity won as converts only the lower social and economic strata. But by the beginning of the second century the very best of Greco-Roman culture was increasingly turning to this new order of Christian belief, this new concept of the purpose of living and the goal of existence.

So to is it with the Urantia Book. Give it time. If the world was not ready, then the Authors would not have released it when and where they did...


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I am posting a re-written version of my thoughts. This is version is directed to the church at large. I have modified the title to reflect this change and though I am removing all direct references to the Urantia Book and replacing it with the Bible, the import and intent is the same. When I read this to my wife she said, "So you think you are better than everyone else?" If you all feel that way I surely have a ways to go, so I am seeking your responses.

IS THE WORLD READY FOR THE REAL JESUS?

Matthew 11:11 (NLT), “I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is! 12 And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people are attacking it. 13 For before John came, all the prophets and the law of Moses looked forward to this present time. 14 And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come. 15 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!

16 “To what can I compare this generation? It is like children playing a game in the public square. They complain to their friends,
17 ‘We played wedding songs,
and you didn’t dance,
so we played funeral songs,
and you didn’t mourn.’

18 For John didn’t spend his time eating and drinking, and you say, ‘He’s possessed by a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man, on the other hand, feasts and drinks, and you say, ‘He’s a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of tax collectors and other sinners!’ But wisdom is shown to be right by its results.”

I am struck that the answer to this basic question regarding our world being ready for the Jesus is contained in the passages above. Matthew 11:16 “To what can I compare this generation? It is like children playing a game in the public square.” I will attempt to explain, but first: Matthew 13:1-15(NLT).

Later that same day Jesus left the house and sat beside the lake. 2 A large crowd soon gathered around him, so he got into a boat. Then he sat there and taught as the people stood on the shore. 3 He told many stories in the form of parables, such as this one:
“Listen! A farmer went out to plant some seeds. 4 As he scattered them across his field, some seeds fell on a footpath, and the birds came and ate them. 5 Other seeds fell on shallow soil with underlying rock. The seeds sprouted quickly because the soil was shallow. 6 But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn’t have deep roots, they died. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns that grew up and choked out the tender plants. 8 Still other seeds fell on fertile soil, and they produced a crop that was thirty, sixty, and even a hundred times as much as had been planted! 9 Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?” 11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables, for they look, but they don’t really see. They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand. 14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says, ‘When you hear what I say, you will not understand. When you see what I do, you will not comprehend. 15 For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.’

Well my friends, I have ears and I am trying to listen. What I hear at the present time is this. I hear God screaming at the top of his lungs and I see few truly listening. I see the spirit of truth, Jesus, the Scriptures or all of the above, as the seed. I see a world dying for lack of this seed’s true crop. Is the world ready to comprehend this seed? Has the world truly rejected the seed or has the church neglected to sow it? Are we called to know seeds or are we called to sow seeds? That is the real question. So, how many botanists or agronomists does it take to change a light bulb, we might ask? These folks study seeds. Explaining how seeds work is for them.

The rest of us are just simple farmers, seed sowers. But the seed is the source of our personal spiritual growth. To have that happen we must plant this seed in our hearts and minds, tend to its growth and nurture it to fruition so that our appreciation of the value of the truth of the revelation of God is personally experienced, and in so doing our appreciation of the meaning of this seed is revealed. Plants are not self-evaluators. They simply produce fruit or they don’t. Some produce it thirtyfold, some sixtyfold, and some a hundredfold, according to Jesus. Remember Matthew 11:19, “…but wisdom is shown to be right by its results.” Results come from growth, personal growth. This is what Jesus referred to when he said, “He who has hears to hear.” These truths, though having been on earth for over 2000 years may be ahead of their time in many ways but the world is in serious need of the fruit of the spirit, made more obvious by recent events. Jesus was a sower, as were the apostles. But seeds have been around since Adam and Eve with more sown by each additional prophet and increased revelation. All of these are the same. They come from God and reveal his intent on revealing not merely mankind’s destiny but his ability to comprehend and appreciate the path to it. The state of the world reveals we have not yet done that. I believe we are able to make use of this fruit. Apparently we aren’t yet willing.

Realizing the ever growing value of personal experience also means our appreciation of greater and greater meanings; meanings revealed by the spirit interaction within each of us. The scriptures teach us a process of growth. Practicing the process reveals the ever expanding meaning of the text. It also reveals the actual and personal revelation of the spirit in our souls. We must learn to differentiate between that which is value (real spiritual truth personally experienced) and that which has value (real factual knowledge we have learned). This is no simple task. Moreover, it is not representative of a static fact. It requires discernment. Each time we address our personal comprehension of value and our experientially associated meanings we have to deal with this process of discernment. And it is in this process of discernment that we are faced with decisions to “thought adjust” our understanding. This then becomes our basis of spiritual experience. But even this realization requires our faith to accept it, to make it real.

These explanations, as complex as they seem to be, are our actual human growth process patterns. We all do it this way, for there is no other way. God has ordained growth as a function of life. Living spiritually is measurable and quantifiable, “some thirtyfold, some sixtyfold and some one hundredfold”. But on our little planet it is not yet normal. If it were the world would be a different place.

Science is fantastic at explaining the facts of how something works. Spiritual experience in living human beings verifies the value of both the facts and the process as it reveals the source of all this life and reality to the individual. The world is missing something, as we all know. The world has in its hand, Jesus, the true seed. The living plant produces the actual fruit of the spirit; this is our responsibility to experience. Our personal spiritual experience is a revelation of our relationship with Jesus. Because of this, we are the real revelation of Jesus the world is looking for and I submit it is, in fact, ready for that.


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yeah jim i like that better since "the revelation of truth itself" can be personal or epochal. any "impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God", regardless of the source, is a valid approach to the religion of Jesus.


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My thoughts on what Jim George posts.


Personally, most of my life has been spent seeking.
Maybe here and there I might plant a few seeds. I have no way of knowing how productive a farmer I've been. Certainly I have yet to do anything substantial for the kingdom as it were.

I agree that if there is a group of people who have the capability to know God deeper than most, and more importantly, know the real Jesus in a way that could have a truly positive effect on our world, that group should be us.

The only thing missing is passion. A sincere fervor for an awakening.

I have never had that for anything except maybe seeking. Perhaps it's time I pray for that change in my life.

The only prayer I've prayed that comes close to this is my prayers to be useful.


I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your post Jim. Spiritually we all need direction from time to time.

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(159:1.3) "where two or three believers are gathered together, there am I in the midst of them."

We live on a decimal planet, an experimental world, and the direction we need is provided by the Master himself via his Spirit of Truth, his presence. All we have to do is look to him for the guidance and leadership that is otherwise missing.

We are the seeds, and the traditions of religion and the words of their many books including and especially the Urantia Book is the fertilizer.

By our sincerity and determination to grow into the Truth, will come a new way of living, the new earthly goal of human existence, "quality of thnking".

The new Era, which is now dawning, will manifest through the lives of those who dare to do en masse what only a few individuals have done in relative isolation here so far.

The Gods desire to see the fulfillment of the Father's will by way of unorthodoxy, without the usual presence of visible leadership. When it happens it will be a rare thing in the universe, a thing that IS value, and this kingdom can't come any other way.

This is the experience of the experiment.


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Makalu, what a brilliant association that you draw! How about "Was the world ready for Machiventa Melchizedek?" "Was the world ready for Adam & Eve?"; you ask: "Was the world ready for Jesus (i.e. the 4th Epochal Rev.)"


I also ask "Was the world ready for the Urantia Papers in 1935?"

I say, the Urantia Papers were NOT published when they were first procured. But the Urantia Fellowship of Chicago at the time had hidden them from society as it were, and the truth entered a brief "screening period", whence the truth was translated into (what it was devised by man to be) a more discernible format. I fear that humanity, we personally, has gotten it wrong so many times. The spirit sometimes does appear to be present before us, but often we are like Moses who says "I am not ready"; "What is it you ask?" only to obscure the truth with our own predictions and predilections.

Ever remember that when the Ten Commandments were first written on stone, Moses had first broken them so that what he had first taught the Hebrews was a second copy, his own reprisal of the original. Therefore, let us seek truth firsthandedly and bear that the Urantia Papers are only a reproduction.

You simply must consider the question "What if your neighbour is ready, in fact needful, of hearing/receiving the Urantia Papers?" Then, I admonish you to believe that it is not a risk you should take, to let your friends languish in oblivion.

Since the Holy Spirit is ever present with God's demands, we should not bear to have them repeated. It is certain to arise in the mind of God's Children. That whenever the search for truth should appear, there will be gratitude in having found the Urantia Book.

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I am most grateful for all the recent postings related to the "seed" which is planted long before any harvest. I share SEla's perspective and support of all others who have contributed to this perspective....the perspective of patience on the one hand to allow time its function in evolutionary progress and the perspective shared by Jim that the sowers of seed and those who nurture the seed beds of truth, beauty, and goodness should be vitalized and inspired by the source of the seed, the seed itself, and the work at hand in preparation of the harvest to come.

I also truly understand and appreciate the CALL to act upon our faith and hope and not wait, individually, for ANY time to come. According to my understanding of the UB, the patient perspective of the time unit view of the eternal past and future, is a rallying cry for the believer of today to act today in service, loyalty, and love! There are two seeds for us to consider in our sowing: the first is optional - the dissemination of the Revelation and its Teachings; the second is not optional if the "believer" is truly a faith-child of God - the dissemination of love to others, with as much wisdom as we can muster in the moment of each seed's planting.

What was the first order of business during every single prior Epochal Revelation? A growing community of students and God believers who learned that which was given/taught and also, how to disseminate those facts and truths to others. Such students became, also, seeds and the sowers of seed in their ministries and missions and every day walk. All walk our own path and none need worry about the "what" I should do or others should do....the question is why do we do what we do and how we do it....love is the motive and the pure heart delivers good intentions and those combined deliver wisdom over time. The "what" comes to us each day and does so every single day and the more of us who are motivated by love and serve with pure heart deliver endless "whats" forever delivering new potentials of greatness and fruit by the seeds sown in love!

There are those who become impatient and impatience leads to disappointment....things do not go fast enough or well enough or not according to our immature expectations anyway. It is sad to see such disappointment and it is poison to our own mind as well as degrading to the Spirit connection. What have WE to be disappointed about? Future Agondontors!! We who believe in Eternity and have faith in God's friendly universe and know of our adventures to come...we have nothing to be disappointed about....confused, yes of course....hahhahaha....if you are not confused you are simply not paying attention!

Kingdom believers dare not wait for others or other times but we must also "see" the harvest to come....as well as the turning of the seasons...and be patient for the glory of the kingdom to bear its fruit in its time....and not our own. The act is ours. The consequences are God's. Let us be joyful for what we know and who we are and where we are and the journey ahead which comes to us one step and one day at a time.

Thanks again to all.

Bradly 8)


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Thank you Bradley, SEla_Kelly, Makalu, nod and Paul (xobeht) for your comments and questions. Jim has touched on a question that on the surface seems ludicrous but upon serious reflection is anything but.

Paul has offered the seed concept and on that we have taken off. Mr. Kelly has brought into the discussion the reality of each of us being the seed planter for another soul who can know God. Can it be that we each have that responsibility?

Makalu and Brad you have rightly stated that we are most certainly nurturers of the seed in our own hearts and yet nod has placed a viable place in our lives for the fulfillment of this revelation. What an amazing group. What fantastic insights we are able to share.

Earlier I referred to Proverbs 2 – New Living Translation (NLT)
The Benefits of Wisdom
2 My child, listen to what I say, LISTEN
and treasure my commands. TREASURE
2 Tune your ears to wisdom, TUNE
and concentrate on understanding. CONCENTRATE
3 Cry out for insight, CRY OUT
and ask for understanding. ASK
4 Search for them as you would for silver; SEARCH
seek them like hidden treasures. SEEK

What is the significance of these words?
These words are actions God is asking of us, deep in our hearts. He wants these inner and personal verbs to become the actions of our heart’s desires.

5 Then you will understand what it means to fear the Lord, WHEN?
and you will gain knowledge of God. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE DO?
6 For the Lord grants wisdom! BUT HOW DO WE OBTAIN IT?
From his mouth come knowledge and understanding. ARE WE LISTENING?
7 He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. THIS ONE IS AN AMAZING STATEMENT!

God grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. WOW!

Now we know that these words were penned before Melchizedek was here, right? God has been telling us for thousands of years what he desires from us. The Urantia Book calls it sincerity, sincerity, and more sincerity. Why can't we make it the most important thing we do?

What kind of revelation from God are we thinking we need to make the world a place for truth, beauty and goodness to flourish? Is this one not sufficient for us? Are we merely not trying as hard as we should. Brad, I do not mean to argue with your position here but isn't our responsibility to do our very best? And do I think I am doing my best; would I look Jesus in the eye and tell him I was? Not likely!

Jim


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I have a question about Proverbs 2, Jim.

Jim George wrote:
5 Then you will understand what it means to fear the Lord, WHEN?
and you will gain knowledge of God.


TUB tells us that we must love God in order to know Him. How is fearing the lord the path to gaining knowledge of Him? God is love and how can fear come into play? Jesus said to fear not.
I do not understand this. What are your insights on fearing God?


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