Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:35 am +0000
MannyC wrote:Functioning is not the same as residing.God the Sevenfold is a functional extension of The Holy Trinity. This is how the Trinity functions without moving.
MannyC wrote: Adjuster do not reside in time. They actually traverse space instantly, without time.They are God and God does not reside in time.
MannyC wrote:Rexford wrote:Adjusters are playing the sacred and superb game of the ages; they are engaged in one of the supreme adventures of time in space. 110:3:1
They are engaged in one the supreme adventures OF time and space, NOT IN time and space.
MannyC wrote:Havona and Paradise comprise the Central Universe. Paradise is not in time and Havona is not a time creation. And both are to be found at the nucleus of the ultimaton.
MannyC wrote:That is why The Unqualified Absolute can pervade space and not be in time-space.
MannyC wrote: The authors do not know just how the TA resides in the mind of man. It is a riddle. Thought adjusters are not thoughts but thought adjusters. There is no reason to think that TAs are residing in time because they are spirit patterns and they exist in relation to space and not space-time itself.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:35 pm +0000
Rexford wrote:The Divine Counselor tells us that the word "God" requires different definitions on each level. The blanket use of the word God is otherwise confusing.
Rexford wrote:Where do the personalities of God the Sevenfold reside then? It says in the following quote that God the Sevenfold is Deity personalized in time and space. God the Sevenfold consists of actual personalities. Where do they reside? Are they only on Paradise? I don't think so.
Rexford wrote:How Adjusters traverse space is immaterial to where they reside. They have a definite residence at different phases of their existence. Their home sphere and rendevouz place is called Divinington. When they leave Divinington they go somewhere. Where do they go? They go to a place in time and in space where they indwell. Indwell is defined as being present within a mind for a period of time. That mind is in time and in space. Adjusters descend, which means they move down through time and space to reside in a material mind functioning within time and space. Their timelessness has nothing at all to do with where they reside.
MannyC wrote:118:3.7 All patterns of reality occupy space on the material levels, but spirit patterns only exist in relation to space; they do not occupy or displace space, neither do they contain it. But to us the master riddle of space pertains to the pattern of an idea. When we enter the mind domain, we encounter many a puzzle. Does the pattern—the reality—of an idea occupy space? We really do not know, albeit we are sure that an idea pattern does not contain space. But it would hardly be safe to postulate that the immaterial is always nonspatial.
Rexford wrote:Adventures OF time IN space, is what it says. What is an adventure of time? It seems to me if you hare having an adventure of hiking, you would be hiking. An adventure of marriage would involve marriage; an adventure of space travel would put you in space. An adventure of time puts you in time. Then, the quote goes on to say IN space. An adventure of time takes place in space. It seems to me that the adventure is all about time and space for the Adjusters. If they are not in time and space, where are they?
Rexford wrote:If you do a search for both ultimaton and Havona, it comes up empty, so I do not know where you got that information.
Rexford wrote:If the Unqualified Absolute is not in time and space then how does it become conditioned by what is in time and space?
Rexford wrote:Where did you get the information that Adjusters are spirit patterns? I don’t think that exists in the Papers. If you have the quote, please share. In the quote below it says that Adjusters are an actual part of an individual’s mind. The mind we are given is a local universe variant of the cosmic mind within time and space. If that mind is within time and space, don’t you think the Adjuster who is residing there would also be within time and space. The fact that the Adjuster can traverse space timelessly has nothing to do with where he resides. The fact that the Adjuster himself is timeless, spaceless, and without beginning or end has no relevance to where he is residing. He resides as a very part of a mortal, finite mind.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:33 pm +0000
Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:37 pm +0000
MannyC wrote:I did not agree to use the definition provided.
MannyC wrote:Rexford wrote:Where do the personalities of God the Sevenfold reside then? It says in the following quote that God the Sevenfold is Deity personalized in time and space. God the Sevenfold consists of actual personalities. Where do they reside? Are they only on Paradise? I don't think so.
There is only three places in The Master Universe where personalities can reside. Paradise, Havona, and time-space. The Holy Trinity can only be stationary in Paradise.
MannyC wrote:The Adjusters do not enter time-space.
MannyC wrote:Havona is at the nucleus of every ultimaton in the Universe of Universes. Where ever there exists an ultimaton, Havona and Diviningtion are at the center of the Ultimaton.
MannyC wrote:When an adjuster 'leaves' Divinington, they are already everywhere there is an ultimaton, they do not move.
MannyC wrote:Havona has no position in space.
MannyC wrote:We do not know if the mind is in time-space, the brain certainly is.
MannyC wrote:Adjusters cannot move because you can only move in time and Adjusters are fragments of God the Father. The Father does not move, the Father does not change. Neither can an Adjuster.
MannyC wrote:This is most definitely a typo in the book. I am glad you noted it. I did not.
MannyC wrote:It is not conditioned by time-space. And it is misleading to write "time and space" , it is time-space. They are not separate. It's not like Jack and Jill.Rexford wrote:If the Unqualified Absolute is not in time and space then how does it become conditioned by what is in time and space?
MannyC wrote:Adjuster are Spirit because Father is Spirit. Pattern configures energy, even Spirit energy. Mind is not spatial because it is clear that ideas do not contain space. Without space there is not time. The Adjuster resides everywhere because mind is everywhere.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:19 pm +0000
Rexford wrote:That makes it harder to communicate Louis. While we are studying the Urantia Book, why not use the definitions in the book?
Rexford wrote:Louis, your answer has nothing to do with my question. I asked where the personalities of God the Sevenfold reside? God the Sevenfold is not the Trinity. God the Sevenfold is personalized, actual personalities. Where are they?
Rexford wrote:God the Sevenfold is more than functioning Trinity. There is actual time-space descension of these personalities. Where do they go? Perhaps in the seven superuniverses?
Rexford wrote:MannyC wrote:
The Adjusters do not enter time-space.
They certainly do. This quote says that God is actually present ON the worlds of space as the Adjuster.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:37 pm +0000
Rexford wrote:I get the impression that you think Havona and the Isle of Paradise are one and the same thing. They are not. Havana is the universe that surrounds the Isle of Paradise. The Isle of Paradise is stationary; Havona moves. Paradise has no position in space, but Havona does, because it is in space and it moves.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:45 pm +0000
Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:24 pm +0000
MannyC wrote:Havona moves but is not a time creation. Explain that if you can. What is the space in Havona if time and space are inseparable and Havona is not a time creation? What is the position of Havona in space? And is this the space of time-space or some other kind of space?
Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:37 am +0000
Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:47 am +0000
Rexford wrote:Havana is positioned around the Isle of Paradise.
Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:18 am +0000
MannyC wrote:It's OK Rexford. It is the family that Father cares about.
MannyC wrote:But I was born in Havana. Perhaps if I were born in Havona I would not make so many mistakes.
Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:39 am +0000
Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:09 am +0000
nodAmanaV wrote:It's interesting, this forum is a virtual study group of the Urantia Book, but it's beginning to dawn on me that actually, we're studying each other, with the Urantia Book as our nucleus.
Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:25 am +0000
MannyC wrote:Is brother Gabriel's plea for the annihilation of the archrebels a loving act? Is it God's will that a brother plea for the destruction of others?
Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:26 am +0000
Riktare wrote:Simply put: yes! absolutely! In absolute terms even
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