Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:51 am +0000
Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:18 pm +0000
Is brother Gabriel's plea for the annihilation of the archrebels a loving act? Is it God's will that a brother plea for the destruction of others?
Is a natural course of self-obliteration being followed by Gabriel? Is not Gabriel the loyal representative of Michael? Who took the counsel of Immanuel, Gabriel or Michael? Would it be safe to say that the wisdom of the Union of Days is perfect?
In bringing forth the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer, did Gabriel take heed of the counsel of the personal representative of the Supreme Executive of Orvonton?
Has Gabriel followed this advise from an emergency counsel and the entire Uversa corps of counselors? Remember Gabriel vs. Lucifer.
Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:06 pm +0000
Jim George wrote:As I went through these questions and began to try to answer them in my mind, a thought came to me. No human can answer these directly.
Jim George wrote:We are incapable of appreciating the magnitude of the problem Gabriel faces in seeking the finalization of a rebellion of Universe significance caused by his very own, though slightly lower level siblings against his and their very own father/creator. Why do I say this? It is because the scope of the issue is beyond our comprehension. I suggest it is even beyond our dimensional imagination.
Jim George wrote:The many references to Gabriel seeking guidance and receiving advice are evidence to that point.
Jim George wrote:Now the last question you asked might deserve a direct answer.
Did Michael have any direct input or oversight (“anything to do with”) in the presentation of the papers?
To that I say, “Ask him, the Spirit of Truth, and tell us what he says.” 21:5.7-10
Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:42 pm +0000
Precisely correct, Jim. I knew that you would understand. It now begs the question as to why. Why have we on Urantia been revealed the graphic details of an issue beyond our comprehension? Are we being informed so that we can bear witness in some indirect way to this issue that is way above our pay grade? Are we somehow supposed to weight the evidence as potential jury members? Is a potential jury pool being tampered with? I have no idea! Why are we being dragged into this matter I wonder. I presume that Gabriel wants us to have this information, but to what end?
Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:58 pm +0000
Jim George wrote:I want to never forget that the Ancients of Days, the supreme executives of the Superuniverse have authorized the presentation of the first sections of Urantia Papers to us. That, at least to me, means a great deal. Therefore I deem it my duty to attempt to not merely understand the text but to allow myself no latitude of laziness when it comes to examining my own abilities to respond to God's guidance. I find great and wonderful understanding in the text. I find greater and more personal appreciation of meaning when I look inside me and reflect on the text.
Jim George wrote: To your questions above, it strikes me that while we are not responsible for the application of justice in this matter, we are laying the foundation for "agondonterism", i.e. "who can believe without seeing, persevere when isolated, and triumph over insuperable difficulties even when alone."
Jim George wrote: This whole concept verifies my sense that this book is not merely a factual textbook of universe knowledge. As such we are being prepared to be something we are not even aware of and the details of the Lucifer Rebellion and its end, are something we will need to appreciate as we proceed beyond.
Jim George wrote:I sometimes wonder if we actually realize that the authors as well as Gabriel and Jesus, our Creator Father/Brother are real people.
Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:34 pm +0000
Jim George wrote: this book is not merely a factual textbook of universe knowledge. As such we are being prepared to be something we are not even aware of
Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:35 am +0000
nodAmanaV wrote:When we are given very detailed information about the location and residence of the God of the Universe (Paradise) and then it's mentioned comparatively speaking, as if in passing, "oh, by the way" what's at the nucleus of the first measurable form of energy (the ultimaton), is this very same thing, this very same place, Paradise, it confirms it's incomprehensible. It confirms that the facts aren't important, it confirms that actually, they're the problem. Except for what's at the fulcrum of our ultimatonic personality.
Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:03 pm +0000
Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:36 pm +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:My interpretation is that if others are actually set against the will of God, intentially, such beings are treated as conditions in the universe, but if sentience exists and potential for good then God will confront such conditions directly.
SEla_Kelly wrote:The truth may be that Gabriel correctly detected the intent of Lucifer post manifesto, as not only sin but as the malignance that in this day would be considered nihilistic. And in such case there is a massive reappropriation, or disrobing, of that which God had invested, as in the case of a mountain that would be acquisitioned into castles in the name of progress.
SEla_Kelly wrote:And in such case there is a massive reappropriation, or disrobing, of that which God had invested,...
Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:20 am +0000
Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:16 am +0000
fanofVan wrote:Poppycock Alert: Manny claims above: " Paradise has no location in space. It has no address in space. It has no GPS coordinates in space. For this reason it can be everywhere and nowhere at the same time (simultaneously, for any physicist out there). AT the same time means at an instant."
fanofVan wrote:Me here: And God will always be found at this address. Another example of the importance of both studying and quoting the actual text.
Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:05 am +0000
Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:06 pm +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:First of all, God does invest...
Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:29 am +0000
MannyC wrote:God does not reside in time.
Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:09 am +0000
Rexford wrote:MannyC wrote:
God does not reside in time.
Rexford wrote:What about God the Sevenfold and God the Supreme?
Rexford wrote:What about Adjusters?
Rexford wrote:Together with their many unrevealed associates, the Adjusters are undiluted and unmixed divinity, unqualified and unattenuated parts of Deity; they are of God, and as far as we are able to discern, they are God.107:1:2
Rexford wrote:Adjusters are playing the sacred and superb game of the ages; they are engaged in one of the supreme adventures of time in space. 110:3:1