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Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:24 am +0000

PLease, let me include this question:

(1397.5) 127:2.7 Jesus’ position was made more difficult because his mother and uncle, and even his younger brother James, all urged him to join the nationalist cause. All the better Jews of Nazareth had enlisted, and those young men who had not joined the movement would all enlist the moment Jesus changed his mind. He had but one wise counselor in all Nazareth, his old teacher, the chazan, who counseled him about his reply to the citizens’ committee of Nazareth when they came to ask for his answer to the public appeal which had been made. In all Jesus’ young life this was the very first time he had consciously resorted to public strategy. Theretofore, always had he depended upon a frank statement of truth to clarify the situation, but now he could not declare the full truth. He could not intimate that he was more than a man; he could not disclose his idea of the mission which awaited his attainment of a riper manhood. Despite these limitations his religious fealty and national loyalty were directly challenged. His family was in a turmoil, his youthful friends in division, and the entire Jewish contingent of the town in a hubbub. And to think that he was to blame for it all! And how innocent he had been of all intention to make trouble of any kind, much less a disturbance of this sort.

Please, when did this happen:

his old teacher, the chazan, who counseled him about his reply to the citizens’ committee of Nazareth when they came to ask for his answer to the public appeal which had been made.

Does it have to do with this passage?

(1366.5) 124:1.4 But trouble was again stirred up at school when one of the more backward pupils discovered Jesus drawing a charcoal picture of the teacher on the floor of the schoolroom. There it was, plain as day, and many of the elders had viewed it before the committee went to call on Joseph to demand that something be done to suppress the lawlessness of his eldest son. And though this was not the first time complaints had come to Joseph and Mary about the doings of their versatile and aggressive child, this was the most serious of all the accusations which had thus far been lodged against him. Jesus listened to the indictment of his artistic efforts for some time, being seated on a large stone just outside the back door. He resented their blaming his father for his alleged misdeeds; so in he marched, fearlessly confronting his accusers. The elders were thrown into confusion. Some were inclined to view the episode humorously, while one or two seemed to think the boy was sacrilegious if not blasphemous. Joseph was nonplused, Mary indignant, but Jesus insisted on being heard. He had his say, courageously defended his viewpoint, and with consummate self-control announced that he would abide by the decision of his father in this as in all other matters controversial. And the committee of elders departed in silence.

Thank you.

Re: 127:2.7

Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:18 pm +0000

The counseling described happened during or concurrent with the event described. The chazzan was a mentor and teacher of Jesus for many years as the local synagogue teacher for the village youth and was quite taken by Jesus and, as I recall, hoped Jesus would become a great rabbi.

So, in this crisis when Jesus was pushed into a "declaration" of politics, even by his own mother and siblings, related to anti-Roman rhetoric and the pro-Jewish uprising movement, the chazzan helped Jesus formulate the response - that money was not the only or greatest issue, but his role as father/brother to his family trumped any "ambitions" he "might" have - this being true, yet not entirely truthful since he didn't subscribe to nationalism nor have any intention of being politicized by any such movement.

His old friend helped him "craft" a response that satisfied most everyone but was not actually full disclosure.


124:3.5 (1370.3) The chazan spent one evening each week with Jesus, helping him to master the Hebrew scriptures. He was greatly interested in the progress of his promising pupil; therefore was he willing to assist him in many ways. This Jewish pedagogue exerted a great influence upon this growing mind, but he was never able to comprehend why Jesus was so indifferent to all his suggestions regarding the prospects of going to Jerusalem to continue his education under the learned rabbis.

Re: 127:2.7

Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:00 pm +0000

Thank you so much!!!

Re: 127:2.7

Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:13 pm +0000

8) :wink: Always a pleasure to assist how I am able with such interesting and sincere questions my friend!!
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