Caligastia wrote:
"quil" -- What "false conclusion" have I made? Please enlighten me? And, if possible, please at least have the decency to quote me correctly, because there are others here who can't read, and insist to tell me what I said by attempting to paraphrase what they understood that I said, and for the most part that is a big problem here. So, please tell me what conclusion or opinion which I have presented is "false"?
And rehash this entire thread? No. But there were some unaddressed comments you made at the beginning.
Caligastia wrote:
although if one actually studies the entries in the UB regarding this character [Caligastia], one might find that initially he was just following orders, from the system authority, not much different than being in the military, and having to actualize orders as instructed, whether the officer agrees or disagrees with such orders.
False on two counts. First, Caligastia was not merely following orders. He made a willful choice to subvert universe authorities and declare himself “God of Urantia.” That is self-assertion, not humble obedience.
Second, Lucifer’s declaration was in every respect illegal. In my country’s military (the USA), an officer is prohibited from following an illegal order, even if he or she agrees with it. “I was just following orders” is not a valid excuse when the order is illegal. If this were the case, then there would not have been nearly as many hangings at Nuremberg.
Caligastia wrote:
… Nevertheless, to your points made regarding “Caligastia”, you are correct in that the Urantia Book portrays him as a “betrayer”, but the question is a “betrayer” to what? Where, it would be inappropriate for the authors to present all of the information behind the “betrayal” but, does setup certain evidences which just might indicate that those higher-ups may have set him and Adam and Eve up for default, having assigned them to an impossible task, whereby being destined to fail.
False on two more counts. It is plainly obvious that Caligastia was a betrayer of the universe sovereignty of Michael. There is no ambiguity there.
It is false that Adam and Eve were setup to fail. That is a suspicious and subversive assertion you are making. They were setup to succeed in the most challenging of circumstance. That they did not succeed is not necessarily evidence that no Adam and Eve would ever have succeeded. It is simply a demonstration that that pair was ultimately not up to the task.
Caligastia wrote:
But why send the “Melchizedek observers,” instead of sending a “Planetary Prince”? Maybe there were thinks going on, on Urantia, which was out of the ordinary, like genetic experimentation which went awry, which required some cleanup, possibly to correct some mistakes which were made?
What exactly are you intimating here? Mass extermination at the hands of the Melchizedeks? The insinuation is ridiculous, and nonfactual, therefore false.
Caligastia wrote:
So, who is at fault here, if we humans are a byproduct of genetic experimentation? And, it would seem that someone hide this from many personalities who might not have been willing to attempt applying the so called “normal plan” which had been proven elsewhere, to work, but was doomed from the get go, on Urantia. In this case, one might have to through away the guide book and write a new one. Not to mention what we humans have to go through to correct the problems created by others who could not wait for the normal plan of evolution?
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All this tells me is that it would seem that we are on our own, until someone gets around to help use with information that will alleviate our own pain and suffering. And then to blame everything on a rebellion, which everyone knew that it would cause a quarantine of this planet and others unfortunate to be an experimental planet. At least we were quarantined before we could infect any other poor unfortunate souls.
More suspicion and intimation. Let me get this straight, as others have tried, somewhere along the line someone messed up on this life experiment world and initiated one vast conspiracy to cover it up and blamed our poor Planetary Prince and unfortunate Adam and Eve as part of the cover up.
That would be a MASSIVE conspiracy. And it would deal with the celestials, not us. If we’re their experiment, why on earth would they even give us any information at all? It makes no sense and is completely inconsistent with how Jesus lived and presented truths to us prior to TUB!
Caligastia wrote:
Now keep in mind that what I am presenting here is an example to possible “hidden keys” presented in the Urantia Book, where they would not be “secrets” but, methods of constructing a narration which can present multiple points of information as can be interpreted by an interested reader, when they question the way text is presented, and how context can be used to create in-depth writing. However, this would all be in vain, for those who just don’t care about anything other than their own perspective.
Nonsense! What you are presenting are conspiracy theories, plain and simple. Your assertions are inconsistent with the direct statements made with in the text, namely the purpose of the authoritative elimination of error. The authors would not include information then turn around an contradict themselves with supposed “hidden keys.” It’s just more baloney spewing forth from your fingers.
Caligastia wrote:
Which might infer a question as to why where these two groups, in their entirety, lost to rebellion? Was there specific information which they had or retained which would make them think that they might continue their work, for whatever reason, they may have had, maybe to better facilitate their studies and research into various issues that they may have found out.
I see, so EVERY soul associated in the rebellion was actually a hero. We got the whole thing flipped on its head. All heroes in the story are actually villains, and all villains are heroes. So, everyone listen up, be wary of that Jesus fella. I guess this does fall in line with some of messages of the atheists.
OK, so I think you get my drift. Brad and others do a fine job of revealing flaws in your thinking. I do not need to rehash them.
Caligastia wrote:
"quil" -- I agree that many here, have responded based on fear, but what fear would they have, are you indicating that I have brought up some form of truth, which jeopardies what is in the text of the Urantia Book?
No. All you offer up is fear, uncertainty, and doubt. None of these are divine qualities. My motivation to respond is more out of pity than anything else. If a child keeps calling a car a cat, they ought to be corrected, no?
I think you are bitter about your life experiences, but do not want to jump fully into the deep end and reject God, so you aim just a little lower and channel that disappointment and fear into a pathetic attempt to destroy this beautiful work and mar the minds of sincere readers.
I made yet another mistake. I continued to engage this crap. My apologies once again, all. I'm done for now.
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