Cal,
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The only other reservation I have that keeps surfacing as bias and prejudice when reading your posts is your choice to use Caligastia as your handle on this forum. At first glance it screams immaturity (like a rebel teenager). Though I still disagree with some of your conclusions, you seem pretty grounded, so I am sure you have your reasons for choosing that nick. Surely you knew this would bother some people, though? I can't find a good reason a person would name themselves that other than attention-seeking. At the very least it is distasteful. I can provide other examples of names that would fall in the same category, but I trust you get my point.
- quil

Thank you so much Brad for sharing your thoughts.

Cal, I also agree that the pretext in which you operate is in the best of characterizations that I can muster, inconsiderate. To experiment with me or anyone else is an affront to my dignity and is not Godlike.

And I too have had my suspicions regarding your identity from the start. Originally I gave you the benefit of the doubt, as certain textual indicators did not appear to line up. Though in your original post in this thread, the evidence I used to argue to myself you are a separate identity is no longer there. Particularly the difference in use of quotations was interesting to me. It appears to me you usually type up your responses in Word or some other editor and paste them here. Curiously, you seem to have forgotten to do that when you started this thread.

I will also reveal what first tipped me off was your response to a medical marijuana thread. You had an establishment response (i.e. a response that I would expect from someone who works in the pharmaceutical / medical industry, particularly from a sales rep or an MD, ARNP, or PA). I recall loucul mentioning having patients and people stealing things from the waiting room. At the time I found that quite curious, as well.

And in general, there's an amorphous quality to your writing that instinctively reminds me of loucul. Either you guys think very much alike or are the same person. Given his propensity to form alter identities on this forum, I think you are in fact the same person.

Cal - what your motives, intentions, agenda, and character may be, I know not. Your presentation however mirrors that of Louis, loucol, Manny, and Johnnybones (all the same person). And not just by your sympathy to the fallen prince - he also is enamored by the #1 and zero and the three concentric circles as illustrative of far greater mystical or metaphorical or metaphysical representations and takes disagreement or misunderstanding as a personal insult and when shown to be wrong about a claim which posted text exposes as wrong then changes course and subject without acknowledgement and also spells speak as "speck" consistently. Perhaps you are not him as you have claimed or perhaps you are his "brother by another mother".....or perhaps that claim is also insincere.

I don't have access to server logs, so I can't see IP addresses to get to the bottom of it (though this can easily be worked around). I have my suspicions, but they are just that. I can only go with what I see and what my gut tells me. That doesn't mean I'm right. I really hope I am wrong.

I remember what you told me. It's just bad form to use more than one nick in a forum. In a way that's a form of deception. So you will need to forgive me for being suspicious.

I am sorry that you think that I don't like you. It's not true, but I doubt I can convince you of that. I am sorry you are not fond of me. At worst my feelings are neutral toward you. I just like the truth more than anything else, and sometimes I can be abrasive when I seek it.

Also, I like doctors. I just don't like the bills they send me.

That you go after the nick I use is also interesting. I wasn't aware of the urban dictionary entry when I chose the nick. It's a play on my real name, if you'd like to know.

It's curious to me how quickly you pounced on this topic. And how defensive your tone is. I would have expected that tone from Cal, not you.

Like loucol, you presume to criticize the presentation in text of God's love and control and mercy ministry for each and every creature and being - that the innocent might be charged or subject to anger or vengeance or misunderstanding or rumor or ridicule or any form of injustice. It is an outrageous position....far more grievous than your chosen moniker but just as revealing.

Cal - what your motives, intentions, agenda, and character may be, I know not.
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In any case, your decision to bait the water to see the reaction is an interesting perversion of honesty and intention and does not sit well with your audience here...or is it your lab rats in an experiment? Regardless, while you have answered an "honest question", your answer is far less honest....still...."had several reasons, some which I cannot directly mention here". To be less than forthright is, by definition, to be deceptive. Deception itself is a form of falsehood and very misguided and dishonest and is a true insult to those sincere students here who share in the discovery and discussion of epochal revelation - truths within truth. You offer deceptions within experiments. Very bad form. Sincerity, sincerity, sincerity....this is how we are measured.

As to the original and real Caligastia whose name you assume for purposes of your own, he is not innocent and his free will was not abrogated by any being or authority and such an excuse is telling, very telling. [. . .] you presume to criticize the presentation in text of God's love and control and mercy ministry for each and every creature and being - that the innocent might be charged or subject to anger or vengeance or misunderstanding or rumor or ridicule or any form of injustice. It is an outrageous position....far more grievous than your chosen moniker but just as revealing. You misunderstand Caligastia's acts and free will choice but he is not misunderstood by the UB and there is no ambiguity presented in the Urantia Papers. I wonder if you think all the choices he made AFTER the rebellion from the times of Van and the Garden up to Jesus' walk upon the world were also because he "was just following orders"? Whose orders? No free will? Poppycock!! He gave orders to the rebel midwayers and obstructed Michael's plans at every turn and opportunity.
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(58.1) 4:3.3 Much, very much, of the difficulty which Urantia mortals have in understanding God is due to the far-reaching consequences of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal. On worlds not segregated by sin, the evolutionary races are able to formulate far better ideas of the Universal Father; they suffer less from confusion, distortion, and perversion of concept.

(58.2) 4:3.4 God repents of nothing he has ever done, now does, or ever will do. He is all-wise as well as all-powerful. Man’s wisdom grows out of the trials and errors of human experience; God’s wisdom consists in the unqualified perfection of his infinite universe insight, and this divine foreknowledge effectively directs the creative free will.

(58.3) 4:3.5 The Universal Father never does anything that causes subsequent sorrow or regret, but the will creatures of the planning and making of his Creator personalities in the outlying universes, by their unfortunate choosing, sometimes occasion emotions of divine sorrow in the personalities of their Creator parents. But though the Father neither makes mistakes, harbors regrets, nor experiences sorrows, he is a being with a father’s affection, and his heart is undoubtedly grieved when his children fail to attain the spiritual levels they are capable of reaching with the assistance which has been so freely provided by the spiritual-attainment plans and the mortal-ascension policies of the universes.

(58.4) 4:3.6 The infinite goodness of the Father is beyond the comprehension of the finite mind of time; hence must there always be afforded a contrast with comparative evil (not sin) for the effective exhibition of all phases of relative goodness. Perfection of divine goodness can be discerned by mortal imperfection of insight only because it stands in contrastive association with relative imperfection in the relationships of time and matter in the motions of space.

(741.3) 66:1.1 Caligastia was a Lanonandek Son, number 9,344 of the secondary order. He was experienced in the administration of the affairs of the local universe in general and, during later ages, with the management of the local system of Satania in particular.

(741.4) 66:1.2 Prior to the reign of Lucifer in Satania, Caligastia had been attached to the council of the Life Carrier advisers on Jerusem. Lucifer elevated Caligastia to a position on his personal staff, and he acceptably filled five successive assignments of honor and trust.

(741.5) 66:1.3 Caligastia very early sought a commission as Planetary Prince, but repeatedly, when his request came up for approval in the constellation councils, it would fail to receive the assent of the Constellation Fathers. Caligastia seemed especially desirous of being sent as planetary ruler to a decimal or life-modification world. His petition had several times been disapproved before he was finally assigned to Urantia.

(735.8) 65:4.9 On an ordinary inhabited world a Planetary Prince would have been granted on the request of the Life Carriers at, or sometime after, the appearance of Andon and Fonta. But Urantia having been designated a life-modification planet, it was by preagreement that the Melchizedek observers, twelve in number, were sent as advisers to the Life Carriers and as overseers of the planet until the subsequent arrival of the Planetary Prince. These Melchizedeks came at the time Andon and Fonta made the decisions which enabled Thought Adjusters to indwell their mortal minds.

(736.1) 65:4.10 On Urantia the endeavors of the Life Carriers to improve the Satania life patterns necessarily resulted in the production of many apparently useless forms of transition life. But the gains already accrued are sufficient to justify the Urantia modifications of the standard life designs.

(736.2) 65:4.11 It was our intention to produce an early manifestation of will in the evolutionary life of Urantia, and we succeeded. Ordinarily, will does not emerge until the colored races have long been in existence, usually first appearing among the superior types of the red man. Your world is the only planet in Satania where the human type of will has appeared in a precolored race.

(736.3) 65:4.12 But in our effort to provide for that combination and association of inheritance factors which finally gave rise to the mammalian ancestors of the human race, we were confronted with the necessity of permitting hundreds and thousands of other and comparatively useless combinations and associations of inheritance factors to take place. Many of these seemingly strange by-products of our efforts are certain to meet your gaze as you dig back into the planetary past, and I can well understand how puzzling some of these things must be to the limited human viewpoint.

(735.6) 65:4.7 There were many unique features of the Urantia life experiment, but the two outstanding episodes were the appearance of the Andonic race prior to the evolution of the six colored peoples and the later simultaneous appearance of the Sangik mutants in a single family. Urantia is the first world in Satania where the six colored races sprang from the same human family. They ordinarily arise in diversified strains from independent mutations within the prehuman animal stock and usually appear on earth one at a time and successively over long periods of time, beginning with the red man and passing on down through the colors to indigo.

(735.7) 65:4.8 Another outstanding variation of procedure was the late arrival of the Planetary Prince. As a rule, the prince appears on a planet about the time of will development; and if such a plan had been followed, Caligastia might have come to Urantia even during the lifetimes of Andon and Fonta instead of almost five hundred thousand years later, simultaneously with the appearance of the six Sangik races.

(735.2) 65:4.3 Many features of human life afford abundant evidence that the phenomenon of mortal existence was intelligently planned, that organic evolution is not a mere cosmic accident. When a living cell is injured, it possesses the ability to elaborate certain chemical substances which are empowered so to stimulate and activate the neighboring normal cells that they immediately begin the secretion of certain substances which facilitate healing processes in the wound; and at the same time these normal and uninjured cells begin to proliferate — they actually start to work creating new cells to replace any fellow cells which may have been destroyed by the accident.

(735.3) 65:4.4 This chemical action and reaction concerned in wound healing and cell reproduction represents the choice of the Life Carriers of a formula embracing over one hundred thousand phases and features of possible chemical reactions and biologic repercussions. More than half a million specific experiments were made by the Life Carriers in their laboratories before they finally settled upon this formula for the Urantia life experiment.

(735.4) 65:4.5 When Urantia scientists know more of these healing chemicals, they will become more efficient in the treatment of injuries, and indirectly they will know more about controlling certain serious diseases.

(735.5) 65:4.6 Since life was established on Urantia, the Life Carriers have improved this healing technique as it has been introduced on another Satania world, in that it affords more pain relief and exercises better control over the proliferation capacity of the associated normal cells.