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The revelators seem to not trust our current methods in geological dating. They recommend radium dating:

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57:7:3 Definite volcanic action dates from these times. The internal heat of the earth continued to be augmented by the deeper and deeper burial of the radioactive or heavier elements brought in from space by the meteors. The study of these radioactive elements will reveal that Urantia is more than one billion years old on its surface. The radium clock is your most reliable timepiece for making scientific estimates of the age of the planet, but all such estimates are too short because the radioactive materials open to your scrutiny are all derived from the earth's surface and hence represent Urantia's comparatively recent acquirements of these elements.


However, since the most stable Radium isotope has a half-life of only 1600 years, it seems ill-suited for geological time scales. The Radium-Lead technique is used for dating biological events:
http://www.astrofish.me/Sea_N_Space/Pb-Ra.html

But if we examine the disruption of Uranium, we see that it decays into Radium in an intermediate step. Both Uranium isotopes have large half-lives:
https://www.spec2000.net/06-atomicphysics.htm (scroll down to the Uranium-238 Decay Chain diagram)


So in theory, geological time could be dated using the relative proportions of the 2 Uranium isotopes plus Radium plus lead.


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The revelators seem to not trust our current methods in geological dating. They recommend radium dating:

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57:7:3 Definite volcanic action dates from these times. The internal heat of the earth continued to be augmented by the deeper and deeper burial of the radioactive or heavier elements brought in from space by the meteors. The study of these radioactive elements will reveal that Urantia is more than one billion years old on its surface. The radium clock is your most reliable timepiece for making scientific estimates of the age of the planet, but all such estimates are too short because the radioactive materials open to your scrutiny are all derived from the earth's surface and hence represent Urantia's comparatively recent acquirements of these elements.


However, since the most stable Radium isotope has a half-life of only 1600 years, it seems ill-suited for geological time scales. The Radium-Lead technique is used for dating biological events:
http://www.astrofish.me/Sea_N_Space/Pb-Ra.html

But if we examine the disruption of Uranium, we see that it decays into Radium in an intermediate step. Both Uranium isotopes have large half-lives:
https://www.spec2000.net/06-atomicphysics.htm (scroll down to the Uranium-238 Decay Chain diagram)


So in theory, geological time could be dated using the relative proportions of the 2 Uranium isotopes plus Radium plus lead.



Very interesting Steve. I would point out that the key words in the quote are "most reliable", and "estimates". This quote should be interpreted with the following quote kept in mind.


12:5.1 Like space, time is a bestowal of Paradise, but not in the same sense, only indirectly. Time comes by virtue of motion and because mind is inherently aware of sequentiality. From a practical viewpoint, motion is essential to time, but there is no universal time unit based on motion except in so far as the Paradise-Havona standard day is arbitrarily so recognized. The totality of space respiration destroys its local value as a time source.


The totality of space respirations is a two billion year time period, approximately, and by how we recon time. Let us remember that motion is how we recon time, cesium atom vibrations. Radioactive decay is also motion. So, all of these means of telling time require motion and space respirations, in its totality, destroys the local value of motion as a time source. It seems that time just keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping, into the future. Out of the mouth of Rock Stars. Go figure. O:)


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Thanks for the comment Louis. It is an intriguing possibility to consider whether space respiration affects physical characteristics that scientists today believe are constants. Also up for consideration might be the particular orientation of our galaxy with respect to Paradise as we revolve around it or possibly nearness to it.

Plainly speaking: I dunno. I never picked up on anything from the book about that directly and I don't see any particular concrete clues that start to pull things together. I think you must have read about the studies where the supposed gravitational constant has been measured to fluctuate as the Earth's distance to the Sun fluctuates. But I'm not aware of any connections of that to space respiration.

Space respiration might easily affect the underlying electrodynamic characteristics of space permittivity and permeability which directly determine the speed of light and EM propagation. But the revelators hint that nuclear interactions proceed at a speed faster than that and would presumably not be subject to the same limitations. Then again, even current physics of elementary particles has a model for the generation of strong, weak and EM forces that is consistent. Those forces are necessarily intertwined.

Also, the gradient of space respiration is effectively orthogonal to us in the plane of the Master Universe if I'm not mistaken. It may have been well designed that way to make the effects of space respiration almost nil for us. I suspect the shifting of the stress lines of space respiration is roughly analogous to the shifting of the magnetic pole of the Earth - something we can measure that affects navigation but not much else.


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Here is some rather interesting information. The author apparently is bent on Biblical Creation speculation but that doesn't mean his technical observations are invalid:

More Bad News for Radiometric Dating
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html

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Some information from the book Uranium Geochemistry, Mineralogy, Geology provided by Jon Covey gives us evidence that fractionation processes are making radiometric dates much, much too old. Geology contributing author Massimo Cortini cites a very interesting anomaly regarding the U 238 decay chain, which is U-238, U-234, Th-230, Ra-226, Rn-222, Po-218 Po-214, Po-210, Pb-210, Bi-210, Pb-206. The half life of U-238 is 4.47 x 10^9 years and that of Ra-226 is 1.6 x 10^3 years. Thus radium is decaying 3 million times as fast as U-238. At equilibrium, which should be attained in 500,000 years for this decay series, we should expect to have 3 million times as much U-238 as radium to equalize the amount of daughter produced. Cortini says geologists discovered that ten times more Ra-226 than the equilibrium value was present in rocks from Vesuvius. They found similar excess radium at Mount St. Helens, Vulcanello, and Lipari and other volcanic sites. The only place where radioactive equilibrium of the U-238 series exists in zero age lavas is in Hawiian rocks. Thus instead of having 1/(3 million) as much radium as uranium, which we should expect, there is ten times as much, or 1/(300,000) times as much radium as uranium.

We need to consider the implications of this for radiometric dating. How is this excess of radium being produced? This radium cannot be the result of decay of uranium, since there is far too much of it. Either it is the result of an unknown decay process, or it is the result of fractionation which is greatly increasing the concentration of radium or greatly decreasing the concentration of uranium. Thus only a small fraction of the radium present in the lava (at most 10 percent) is the result of decay of the uranium in the lava.

This is interesting because both radium and lead are daughter products of uranium. If similar fractionation processes are operating for lead, this would mean that only a small fraction of the lead is the result of decay from the parent uranium, implying that the U-Pb radiometric dates are much, much too old. Cortini, in an article appearing in the Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research also suggests this possibility. He says:

"The invalidity of the Th-230 dating method is a consequence of the open-system behaviour of U and Th. By analogy with the behaviour of Ra, Th and U it can be suggested that Pb, owing to its large mobility, was also fed to the magma by fluids. This can and must be tested. The open-system behaviour of Pb, if true, would have dramatic consequences...." J Vol Geotherm Res 14 (1982) 247-260."


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Thanks for the comment Louis. It is an intriguing possibility to consider whether space respiration affects physical characteristics that scientists today believe are constants. Also up for consideration might be the particular orientation of our galaxy with respect to Paradise as we revolve around it or possibly nearness to it.

Plainly speaking: I dunno. I never picked up on anything from the book about that directly and I don't see any particular concrete clues that start to pull things together. I think you must have read about the studies where the supposed gravitational constant has been measured to fluctuate as the Earth's distance to the Sun fluctuates. But I'm not aware of any connections of that to space respiration.

Space respiration might easily affect the underlying electrodynamic characteristics of space permittivity and permeability which directly determine the speed of light and EM propagation. But the revelators hint that nuclear interactions proceed at a speed faster than that and would presumably not be subject to the same limitations. Then again, even current physics of elementary particles has a model for the generation of strong, weak and EM forces that is consistent. Those forces are necessarily intertwined.

Also, the gradient of space respiration is effectively orthogonal to us in the plane of the Master Universe if I'm not mistaken. It may have been well designed that way to make the effects of space respiration almost nil for us. I suspect the shifting of the stress lines of space respiration is roughly analogous to the shifting of the magnetic pole of the Earth - something we can measure that affects navigation but not much else.


Hi Steve, I am glad you brought up these points for discussion. My theory that the gravitational field is what we currently see as the magnetic field is based on TUB. Energy, matter chemism, light, magetism, electricity, are all the same in origin and destiny. And they are all controlled by gravity.

If we can accept the gravitational field as the geometry of the Apollonian circles and realize that polarity, charge, creates an equator of motion. TUB states that gravity acts preferentially in the plane perpendicular to mass. All rotating mass has polarity and an axis of rotation. Rotation has "wobble", precession. This precession applies to wobble in the plane of the equator of planets, suns, galaxies, universes. This precession creates "gravity waves" that are detectable now.

We are told that “Gravitational waves from inflation put a distinctive twist pattern in the polarisation of the CMB.” CMB is the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, so we are seeing twists in that. From that they supposedly get gravity waves and proof of the Inflationary Model. Wow.

In support of that, they tell us,
"Only the gravitational waves moving through the Universe in its inflationary phase could have produced such a marker. It is a true "smoking gun".

What the mainstream does not understand because they are stuck in the 'Big Bang' is that creation is continuous. It is not about just the first sliver of a second after the Big Band, it is about now. Space is expanding now at an accelerated rate that is exponential, logarithmic. Space motion is a logarithmic spiral that expands and contracts in 2 billion year cycles.

TUB states clearly that gravity is perpendicular to mass and varies based on the orientation of the equator of charge. Precession of rotation creates gravity waves. Space has rotation as its secondary motion and may not undergo precession because TUB tells us that space is not gravity responsive.

Orientation of galaxies with respect to Paradise must be in continuous change. Can you see the ridiculousness of mainstream science claiming now that the gravitational constant is fluctuating? Oxymoronic to the max. Gravitational theory is a bust and I have proposed a new one based on TUB.

Of course the speed of light is tied directly to space expansion. Light is presently accelerating logarithmically with space. We just cannot detect it. TUB proposes the riddle of the Andromeda galaxy and when light that left there almost 1 million years ago. Light has been accelerating in those million or so years as it travelled toward us. TUB states that we do not understand light and that is so true.

Space and time are orthogonal as are hyperbolas and circles. Space is hyperbolic and time is circular. Space respirations must indeed effect us and be very significant because space does not wobble and we do. This effect is essential and vital because motion requires this imbalance across a fulcrum. Consider a see-saw. The fulcrum is Paradise. This shifting imbalance between matter and space is a rhythmic, balanced interchange that perpetuates motion.

The shifting of "magnetic poles" is the source of linear gravity! This is charge. Charge is mass and gravity and mass are analogous. Consider that the perfect spheres of Havona do not rotate and proceed in single file about Paradise. They have no charge and no effective mass, no linear gravity. If they did, then they collide and bunch up. Thus, the need for the gravity bodies enshrouding Havona. Triata in Havona can be likened to a geodesic sphere made up of equilateral triangles of infinitely small sides, constructing a perfect sphere. Havona is not a time creation. There is no imbalance here. There is perfect balance in Havona. We move outside Havona due to imperfection. We wobble but space-time does not.

This is why I think perpetual motion is possible by using this idea. We can lever the motions of space by creating a focus of space, a fulcrum. This is the zero point energy. Matter wobbling against space-time, moving as space moves but slightly out of phase. O:)


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Hmmm, this neodymium-142 dating method seems not entirely tried and true :)

Discovery of world’s oldest rocks challenged
https://environment.newscientist.com/ar ... allenged-/

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For the last four years, Jonathan O’Neil of McGill University and colleagues have been studying a large band of ancient rocks in northern Quebec known as the Nuvvuagittuq greenstone belt. However, the team has used a controversial method for dating the rocks.

The dating method relies on the amount of the common isotope neodymium-142 in the rock. All rocks contain some neodymium-142, but rocks older than 4.2 billion years should contain more of it.

However, the neodymium-142 levels may not be an indicator of the rock’s age. O’Neil himself admits his team may instead be measuring the age of the magma from which the rocks formed. “All rocks have precursor, something that came before they formed,” says Whitehouse.


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The paper below explains why a Uranium-Radium-Lead chronometer hasn't effectively been used before:

Radium Isotope Systematics in Nature: Applications in Geochronology and Hydrogeochemistry
http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/ese ... 938-01.pdf

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Besides the classical 238U/206Pb and 235U/207Pb systems, the U and Th decay series include two
geologically meaningful isotope pairs (231Pa/235U and 226Ra/230Th) which show overlapping time
intervals with the most established U-series chronometer 230Th/234U. While 231Pa/235U (or
231Pa/230Th) dating is being more and more applied in volcanology to discuss the disequilibrium
between 230Th/234U, there are only very few investigations on 226Ra/230Th for mainly three reasons.

(1) The chemical separation of Ra from the matrix and, in particular from the chemically homologues behaving Ba is very difficult

(2) the half-live of 226Ra (T1/2 = 1600 y) is considerably shorter than those of the commonly applied isotopes (230Th/234U) and therefore extremely low concentrations of a few fg (10-15 g/g) are typical for crustal rocks. In addition, no artificial longlived spike isotope of Ra is available that can be used for isotope dilution analysis (the half-life of the next most long lived isotope, 228Ra is only 5.7 years). Finally

(3) the parent-daughter relationships between the coupled system 238U, 234U, 230Th and 226Ra is very complex and, depending on the boundary conditions that have to be assumed to find mathematical solutions, highly different results may be obtained for the same set of raw data.


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