Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:44 pm +0000
lwatkins wrote:It's fine to question, Caligastia. I'm not the holder any specific special knowledge... I'm a long-time student of the book and I've met and overcome doubts about its authenticity and origin. I'm presenting my own opinion based on what I believe to be true.
lwatkins wrote:Your first question, about your Thought Adjuster, has been linked to channeling by channelers who want to give added emphasis to their proclamations... that they have a direct line to God, since that's what the Thought Adjuster is, and therefore their words are meaningful and factual. Nowhere that I'm aware of in the teachings of TUB is there an indication that the conscious mind is aware of the Thought Adjuster's presence. Jesus didn't seem to be aware in any specific way -- he didn't talk to or converse with his Adjuster. The Adjuster was the conduit through which his spiritual life flowed as it is for us as well.
(1475.3) 133:4.10 To the traveler from Britain he said: “My brother, I perceive you are seeking for truth, and I suggest that the spirit of the Father of all truth may chance to dwell within you. Did you ever sincerely endeavor to talk with the spirit of your own soul? Such a thing is indeed difficult and seldom yields consciousness of success; but every honest attempt of the material mind to communicate with its indwelling spirit meets with certain success, notwithstanding that the majority of all such magnificent human experiences must long remain as superconscious registrations in the souls of such God-knowing mortals.”
lwatkins wrote:You've mentioned "being joined with the Thought Adjuster." We're mortals. We don't join with the Thought Adjuster since it's God and we're human; joining happens at fusion. We reap the benefits of the Adjuster's ministry if we pay attention to its leadings... it's a one-way street in that regard. We're ministered to in several other spiritual ways but spirit is far removed from our material selves in this first life.
(2097.2) 196:3.34 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man’s greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soulconsciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness — contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.
lwatkins wrote:There's no correlation between the Thought Adjuster and the other forms of spirit ministry and channeling. One's real, the other is a figment of human imagination and wishful thinking. Those figments and wishful thoughts can be of great benefit to the one in which they originate but they'd be unreal and misleading to someone else.
lwatkins wrote:Regarding credentials... I'm no authority; you're free to accept or reject my comments. Nearly 50 years ago, before I found TUB, I had extensive mental training where I learned about the different levels of mind and brain activity, learned meditation techniques, learned to channel, learned to gather information at a distance, learned remote viewing. These were all interesting at the time; after accepting the teachings of TUB that all became just more grist for the mill; what I relate comes not only from trying to present persuasive ideas but from experience as well. But my experience is valuable really only to me and not necessarily to anyone else. Since I'm a moderator on this board I feel justified in disagreeing with concepts that I believe run counter to my understanding of UB teachings or my own experience.
lwatkins wrote:The comments that I objected to above came across in the manner channeled material does. If we were more lax here we'd have any number of self-professed prophets, seers and channelers. It's been our policy that if someone prophesizes they either have to retract their pronouncements publically or else they'll have to agree to make a public statement apologizing for their misguidance once the time for the prophecy has come and gone. Prophets are almost always channelers.
lwatkins wrote:No, I don't follow anyone's orders. If my posts are off base I'm corrected by one of the other moderators or by other members of the discussion board.
You mentioned conveying messages from spirit guides. That's a New Age concept; it's not supported by the teachings of TUB. We have guardian angels -- they're not spirit guides and they seldom talk to any one of us. Hypothetical spirit guides are associated with channeling and other psychic activities.
lwatkins wrote:The Urantia Book is not a holy object any more than the Bible is. They're both examples of inspired thoughts providing meaningful and trustworthy guidance for our spiritual development. They provide the knowledge that we can choose to act upon in our daily lives to enhance personal spiritual growth.
And yes, TUB uses the word channel but it has no correlation with New Age thought regarding psychic activities of the mind.
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You are posting channeled material as if it were fact. Channeled material can sound positive, uplifting, meaningful... but it's the product of the human subconscious and is not based in fact. We don't permit channeled material on this discussion board -- there are other places where one can find all of that they may want. We focus on the teachings of The Urantia Book which does not condone channeling so please, no more.
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